[moondog]

azul, on 22 April 2020 - 11:58 AM, said:

I don't know why you posted the link then - why not just post what you've just said, you said it far more eloquently than that 'article'

But it is about time proper questions are asked - and proper answers given.

I'm personally glad parliament is back, it will pressure the goverment to tell the truth. Also useful will be the select committees, where involved parties get grilled. We might even get to hear the names of these mysterious people constituting SAGE and what there advice actually is.

I guess you won't be, because the nasty opposition will have the opportunity to ask questions.

I posted it because I thought elements of it to be valid e.g. the criticism Churchill would have got with the current media culture and that the Political points scoring ship has sailed and the next one isn't due for another 5 years.

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 22 April 2020 - 01:41 PM, said:

Yes thank you, he’s doing his travel and tourism this morning and I’m going to check his GCSE PE this afternoon

Been a little while since I taught it but the main points for the exam and main sticking points are / were def.

Anatomy and physiology (Muscles and skeleton)- know the main 11 I think it was and know them wel)

Components of fitness - learn the definitions and give examples

Effects of training and effects of not training

Social effects of sport and healthy lifestyle

Know those and depending on the practical exam (which has changed recently so not sure exactly how that is measured -used to be 40% of the total mark which favoured the gifted at sports)

[azul]

moondog, on 22 April 2020 - 01:48 PM, said:

I posted it because I thought elements of it to be valid e.g. the criticism Churchill would have got with the current media culture and that the Political points scoring ship has sailed and the next one isn't due for another 5 years.

I think your analogy is deeply flawed regarding Churchill. The war had been running 9 months and was going badly when Chamberlain was kicked out (partly due to media attacks).

Incidentally, Churchill took over with the backing of the opposition

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 22 April 2020 - 01:48 PM, said:

I posted it because I thought elements of it to be valid e.g. the criticism Churchill would have got with the current media culture and that the Political points scoring ship has sailed and the next one isn't due for another 5 years.

Excellent Churchill analogy. Anyone studying his rise to power, from the failures that saw him a post WW1 political outcast to his opportunism when grabbing the top job, will see obvious parallels with the current PM.

Though I don't think the bloke on our money took his latest fling off to the country during Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain or D Day.

But come on, 'M'; if there's no need to politicise anything for five years, why have the current crew spent every opportunity from the budget to daily corona briefings peddling hubris and denial?

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[moondog]

azul, on 22 April 2020 - 01:56 PM, said:

I think your analogy is deeply flawed regarding Churchill. The war had been running 9 months and was going badly when Chamberlain was kicked out (partly due to media attacks).

Incidentally, Churchill took over with the backing of the opposition

It wasn't my analogy, I accepted what I read at face value.

[JonB]

Been following this guy on twitter who according to his twitter bio is :-
"Oncologist for 50 years. CMO of Rutherford Health. Founding Dean and Professor of Medicine at the Uni of Buckingham. Ex-director of the WHO Cancer Programme."

His latest take on things is this :-

Professor Karol Sikora @ProfKarolSikora 1m
The media will always focus on the eye-catching figures.

Ignore it.

Look for the averages. Fatalities dropped today - they are trending downwards.

Most encouragingly even with testing improving, the new infection numbers are showing signs of reducing.

We're getting there.

[azul]

Well done Matt Hancock - testing and contact tracing up and running ‘in weeks’

Admittedly that is pretty vague, testing one person positive and finding his contacts would meet that statement but I’m sure he was well intentioned.

Hopefully someone has told him that this, yet to be met testing target is not enough and that he is already sorting the thousands of skilled tracers that will be required. The cynic in me worries that someone in the shadows is setting him up as a scapegoat

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 April 2020 - 12:50 PM, said:

To return to the author's claims of knowing the public mood, I spoke to a mate whilst out jogging this morning (socially distant, of course). Now he's a Daily Mail reading tory voter but his first comment was 'We've been lied to'.

And for what it's worth he didn't mean the Chinese, either...

That's it then, sample of 2, must be right.... (just taking the proverbial Chris as you would...)

I think because ad revenue is based on clicks the pressure to pen a sensationalist headline to get people to click through is high. and then of course a dull story beneath will mean they dont make that mistake twice so you have to snazz up the story as well.

Or so I am told by those who work in the world of online news....

Its rubbish, hold the government to account by all means, and in a crisis like this they will make lots of mistakes, just like anyone does when doing something for the first time with no rule book to follow, so plenty to hold to account on. But lets focus on the solution first and not the bitching.

ETA - just been speaking to a good friend who is diary sec for a Labour MP in west yorkshire. He apparently asked a question today which apparently turned into a rant about how crap the govt have been - seems his twitter feed has been about 50:50 split between those saying it was good that he gave it to the govt and those who thought he should be focusing on positives and solutions - that from his own office. And I'd guess his twitter followers are more left of centre than the average taken across the country? Proves nothing but its a statistic....

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[moondog]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 April 2020 - 02:06 PM, said:

Excellent Churchill analogy. Anyone studying his rise to power, from the failures that saw him a post WW1 political outcast to his opportunism when grabbing the top job, will see obvious parallels with the current PM.

Though I don't think the bloke on our money took his latest fling off to the country during Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain or D Day.

But come on, 'M'; if there's no need to politicise anything for five years, why have the current crew spent every opportunity from the budget to daily corona briefings peddling hubris and denial?

I think it would be any crew that would wish to keep the public onside in a time of greatest need for all our sakes.

[azul]

moondog, on 22 April 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

It wasn't my analogy, I accepted what I read at face value.

You need to be careful about that

[isleaiw1]

JonB, on 22 April 2020 - 02:17 PM, said:

Been following this guy on twitter who according to his twitter bio is :-
"Oncologist for 50 years. CMO of Rutherford Health. Founding Dean and Professor of Medicine at the Uni of Buckingham. Ex-director of the WHO Cancer Programme."

His latest take on things is this :-

Professor Karol Sikora @ProfKarolSikora 1m
The media will always focus on the eye-catching figures.

Ignore it.

Look for the averages. Fatalities dropped today - they are trending downwards.

Most encouragingly even with testing improving, the new infection numbers are showing signs of reducing.

We're getting there.

He has been on the BBC breakfast news a couple of times and talks a lot of sense. He was also a director of a Nottingham based company that I somehow ended up with shares in a few years ago - so met him at the AGM. A very clever man and very wise, the two dont always follow.

This site has some useful info if you like data - including Moving Average 7 day death numbers which smooth spikes and let you see the trend better...

http://covidtracker....dapp.azure.com/

[moondog]

azul, on 22 April 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

You need to be careful about that

I am when it matters

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Had to laugh at this: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

Infact as a bunch of bible bashing creationists shouldn't they be looking at their god's role in the pandemic?

And if they want to sue someone responsible for an “appalling campaign of deceit, concealment, misfeasance, and inaction” maybe they should look a little closer to home...

[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 April 2020 - 04:42 PM, said:

Had to laugh at this: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

Infact as a bunch of bible bashing creationists shouldn't they be looking at their god's role in the pandemic?

And if they want to sue someone responsible for an “appalling campaign of deceit, concealment, misfeasance, and inaction” maybe they should look a little closer to home...

It not the creationist you need to worry about it’s the cult of endism in America. They all think when Armageddon come they’ll be raptured up to heaven and the rest of us are frankly stuffed. Plenty of politicians in the states are sympathetic to these notions

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 22 April 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

I think it would be any crew that would wish to keep the public onside in a time of greatest need for all our sakes.

The best way for this crew to keep people on-side for everyone's rather than just their own sakes is to be straight with them.

But: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

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[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 April 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

The best way for this crew to keep people on-side for everyone's rather than just their own sakes is to be straight with them.

But: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

Someone will be on soon to claim this is fake news.

In the real world, the trouble with lying especially when under scrutiny, is you twist and turn and forget what you lied about and then have to lie again. The law of diminishing returns suggest you pull the plug on the lies and tell the truth, sooner the better.

Trump does that to perfection, not sure our crew have the skill or the audience to get away with it?

[Misnomer]

Quaker, on 22 April 2020 - 04:47 PM, said:

Have had to battle through Covid-19 myself I can totally understand why he is taking a back seat. One thing that has struck me is how awful this virus can be. I've had quite harsh and intrusive symptoms which have very nearly hospitalised me and the wife on a couple of occasions. Don't underestimate how terrible this virus is. He must have had it worse than I did so he has been really ill. If you think it can be shrugged of on a whim you are very niaive or stupid.

Same here. It's taken me weeks to recover. I thought my lungs were going to pack in. I remember saying: I've never been this ill, (and that's including campylobachter).

Even now, I get out of breath very easily. I remember walking the dog after I felt well enough to venture out for a little bit and walking back up a slight gradient was like scaling that first hill at ladybower reservoir (for the uninitiated, it's practically vertical).

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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So Scotland has recorded 1062 official deaths but have 1616 suspected deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate, thats about 60% more

Imagine if you extrapolate that nationwide

It was reported on the wireless today that including care homes and deaths out of hospital, the true death rate could be 40,000.

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.google.c...7761.html%3famp