[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 21 April 2020 - 08:35 PM, said:

Claim and counter claim..
Coronavirus: Top civil servant Sir Simon McDonald withdraws claim UK 'chose' not to join EU medical kit scheme
http://news.sky.com/...scheme-11976778

What a mess...

https://www.theguard...s-in-four-weeks

https://www.theguard...itical-decision

I actually feel a bit sorry for Matt Hancock. The boy will be hung out to dry when all this is done and dusted. What happened to ‘collective responsibility’ and ‘ultimate responsibility’?

[calvin plummers socks]

Where the **** is Boris?

[azul]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 April 2020 - 09:48 PM, said:

Where the **** is Boris?

Will we see Bozza again until there is some good news/?

[Misnomer]

azul, on 21 April 2020 - 09:27 PM, said:

What a mess...

https://www.theguard...s-in-four-weeks

https://www.theguard...itical-decision

I actually feel a bit sorry for Matt Hancock. The boy will be hung out to dry when all this is done and dusted. What happened to ‘collective responsibility’ and ‘ultimate responsibility’?

Now, I'm sure someone said: can you imagine if Corbyn was in charge during the coronavirus outbreak, what a mess it would be....

[moondog]

CFC91, on 20 April 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

I think that's a theme at dominates the whole thread. Certain people clearly have very strong views one way or another and simply won't entertain the other side of the fence and that is clear from the postings.

Makes this thread, and the news in general very hard to decipher what is genuine and what is bias. As someone that's fairly on the fence with politics with no real allegiance or strong views (despite having a Politics degree i've fallen out of love with it all) I struggle with what in this thread should be taken as genuine information worth taking aware versus that clouded in strong bias political views.

My thoughts too, this article about how elements of the media are dealing with it isn't much different to some views on here.


https://www.effiedea...ountry.html?m=1

[azul]

moondog, on 21 April 2020 - 10:34 PM, said:

My thoughts too, this article about how elements of the media are dealing with it isn't much different to some views on here.


https://www.effiedea...ountry.html?m=1

Very very generous to call that an article.

Nice pink accents though

[azul]

Just watched a really good discussion on CNN with eminent virologists regarding immunity to Corvid-19 and it wasn't a comfortable watch

The gist of the talk was that nobody really knows if immunity can be naturally obtained or for how long it will last. I'm sure we've all heard this before but the particular focus was whether someone who have has mild bout has lasting or effective immunity. The consensus was that it is likely that a survivor of a severe bout will have much more immunity than someone who has a mild bout or was asymptomatic.

They acknowleged that the evidence was, imperical (from similar viruses) and anecdotal, but it made grim viewing as I never had it explained in this way. It certainly wouldn't bode well for 'Herd Immunity' occuring naturally.

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.bbc.co.u.../world-52373888

[moondog]

azul, on 21 April 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

Very very generous to call that an article.

Nice pink accents though

It's not the best, but the valid point for me is that sections of the media go beyond scruitiny and holding the Government to account.

Similarly on Social Media platforms such as this many make contributions from a Politically biased standpoint which don't give a balanced view.

In an unprecedented crisis like this all Governments will make mistakes, they will also get some things right.

Some are unable or unwilling to provide this balance to their views and accordingly I don't think they have the audience they may perceive that they have.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 21 April 2020 - 10:34 PM, said:

My thoughts too, this article about how elements of the media are dealing with it isn't much different to some views on here.


https://www.effiedea...ountry.html?m=1

I'd simply remind whoever penned this (who seem to think they're qualified to quote 'the mood of the country') it's not just professional journalists asking questions, it's frontline staff.

Whose accounts so often vary from what government representatives claim.

The author's twee little world might be rocked around Xmas time when they discover Santa Clause dun't exist, too...

[moondog]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 22 April 2020 - 07:05 AM, said:

I'd simply remind whoever penned this (who seem to think they're qualified to quote 'the mood of the country') it's not just professional journalists asking questions, it's frontline staff.

Whose accounts so often vary from what government representatives claim.

The author's twee little world might be rocked around Xmas time when they discover Santa Clause dun't exist, too...

I agree others are rightly asking questions but from what I can see most of the public are pulling together recognising the uniqueness of the situation

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 April 2020 - 09:48 PM, said:

Where the **** is Boris?

On this occasion I've no problem allowing Bozo a back seat. He's still overcoming a life threatening illness and shouldn't be expected to return.

This latest episode of a civil servant clearly being brow beaten into retracting his story is yet another example of an incompetent regime putting their own asses before the truth, though.

They first met accusations of political dogma trumping PPE procurement by blaming a missed e-mail. Which elicited memories of Darren Brown's 'shredded faX' excuses. Then we were told they did infact reject an EU approach, as confirmed by both a knight of the realm and our European friends. Next we saw Hancock stand in front of the cameras and state, totally out of the blue and amidst an unclear timeline, that we DID join the scheme. Only for the EU to once again tell us the opposite.

And now the whole thing's being brushed aside with 'Ah well, it's not secured any gear anyway' kinda dismissals.

Bozo's quite rightly recuperating. However just as Allen's ultimately responsible for the environment on Sheff Road he's responsible for the environment on Downing Street...

[Search & Destroy]

Search and Destroy, on 20 April 2020 - 07:27 AM, said:

Assuming teachers aren’t furloughed and are still being paid to work, schools have been shut for a month, I’m assuming that today, first day back the kids will get a personal phone call from school with a detailed expectation of what’s required of them, a plan to ensure their upcoming exams are not negatively impacted

I’d like to see 5 hours of structured coursework per day emailed over, marked and critiqued overnight

Let’s see what happens

Text from school this morning

In response to requests for online, video conference lessons for students. We have decided as a school that there were too many safeguarding risks and
potential technical issues along with teachers own child care arrangements to deliver this style of lesson.

I thought teachers were still on full pay and working?

[Search & Destroy]

If they are unable to work now (although not furloughed) why not let schools staff take their 6 weeks holidays now and hopefully schools could catch up by opening July August?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 22 April 2020 - 07:13 AM, said:

I agree others are rightly asking questions but from what I can see most of the public are pulling together recognising the uniqueness of the situation

True. The overwhelming majority have done the right thing and just got on with it (unlike those morons in the States, by the way). Folk usually pull behind the 'powers that be' at times of crisis though, it's a psychological thing with them seeking some sort if stability and certainty. But what's noticeable is that criticisms - or at the very least stories countering the official narrative - have emerged from usually pro-tory papers.

Number Ten have responded strongly given monday's rebuttal of the Sunday Times' report and this latest u-turn. However public opinion doesn't just happen - it's manufactured. Let's see how long it stays behind Bozo and Co if their allies continue to desert them...

[Search & Destroy]

It is frustrating when politicians try to defend the indefensible, culture secretary on the radio earlier defending Cheltenham

If they just said that was a mistake and we regret it would that be too bad?

Maybe it would be leaving themselves open to negligence claims if done lawyer could prove someone caught it and later died

[Search & Destroy]

WHO, why on Earth would they have endorsed the use of Traditional Chinese Medicine which involves stuff like eating endangered species and cats to enhance male virility?

Madness and it does make you wonder about China’s alleged influences

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 22 April 2020 - 08:15 AM, said:

WHO, why on Earth would they have endorsed the use of Traditional Chinese Medicine which involves stuff like eating endangered species and cats to enhance male virility?

Madness and it does make you wonder about China’s alleged influences

As it’s the most populated country on the planet their claims may be true:-)

[plannerj]

Search and Destroy, on 22 April 2020 - 08:09 AM, said:

It is frustrating when politicians try to defend the indefensible, culture secretary on the radio earlier defending Cheltenham

If they just said that was a mistake and we regret it would that be too bad?

Maybe it would be leaving themselves open to negligence claims if done lawyer could prove someone caught it and later died

A mixture of sense and nonsense from you this morning. You’re spot on about Cheltenham, but you mustn’t stop the toffs enjoying themselves. The virus WAS spread there for sure. On the teachers’ holidays to be taken now, what holidays can anyone take right now? A silly comment and you know it.

[isleaiw1]

plannerj, on 22 April 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

A mixture of sense and nonsense from you this morning. You’re spot on about Cheltenham, but you mustn’t stop the toffs enjoying themselves. The virus WAS spread there for sure. On the teachers’ holidays to be taken now, what holidays can anyone take right now? A silly comment and you know it.

Toffs at Cheltenham? there are are more youngsters there for a urine up these days!