[Wooden Spoon]

Goku said:

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You think Corbyn and Abbott would get any credit whatsoever from anybody who didn't already support them? I'd be incredibly surprised. Agree with the rest of your post though, just once it'd be nice to have a bit of honesty. I actually appreciated when BoJo said people will die, it's obvious but just tell the truth.

Yeah, if they handled something well why wouldn’t anyone give credit?

[Goku]

DEATH, on 12 April 2020 - 08:42 PM, said:

Yeah, if they handled something well why wouldn’t anyone give credit?

predetermined prejudice/confirmation bias. it'd be seen as a concession that the enemy has done some good which isn't allowed in tribal politics. to someone like you that seems nonsensical and stupid (cos it is), but to plenty of others it would be second nature

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw1 said:

1586721891[/url]"]1586721891[/url]' post='[url="tel:[url="tel:1514230"]1514230[/url]"]1514230[/url]']well in London which was the worst hit part of the UK, they managed to put back utilising the Nightingale hospital because the need hadnt arisen. And still using a fraction of the capacity it has.

That bodes well really, that these nightingale units are not swamped

Goku said:

1586725538[/url]"]1586725538[/url]' post='[url="tel:[url="tel:1514232"]1514232[/url]"]1514232[/url]']predetermined prejudice/confirmation bias. it'd be seen as a concession that the enemy has done some good which isn't allowed in tribal politics. to someone like you that seems nonsensical and stupid (cos it is), but to plenty of others it would be second nature

I suppose that applies to all/both sides





Are you referring to sections of the media or individual people?

This post has been edited by DEATH: 12 April 2020 - 09:35 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

So then 'Boris', put your policies where your praise is.

And let's never, ever again have any dog whistle pandering to the xenophobic vote...


EDIT: gonna add a 'PS' for general discussion.

I booked a Jet2 holiday for the start of June. Ibiza. One which they've now told me won't happen (obviously). However they've also said they'll be resuming flights in the middle of June - which left a huge question mark over my head. How could they possibly know things will've eased by then? Are they just trying to get punters re-booking - thereby keeping their money a little longer - or do they know summat we don't?

Then today I see suggestions Spain may be loosening their lockdown. Hmmm...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 13 April 2020 - 02:14 PM

[joe]

isleaiw1, on 12 April 2020 - 08:04 PM, said:

well in London which was the worst hit part of the UK, they managed to put back utilising the Nightingale hospital because the need hadnt arisen. And still using a fraction of the capacity it has.

I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

[Search & Destroy]

joe, on 13 April 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

Good grief man, give your head a wobble

[calvin plummers socks]

joe, on 13 April 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

I heard the same.
Only 5 patients have used it so far apparently

[Search & Destroy]

Because extra capacity isn’t needed

[Johnnyspireite7]

Search and Destroy, on 13 April 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Because extra capacity isn’t needed

Therefore a complete waste of money which could have been better used for PPE, take your own advice and give your head a wobble.

[isleaiw1]

joe, on 13 April 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

OK so we were asked to provide hotel facilities for the staff there as and when they ran out of rooms at the more local hotels. We were on standby for days (and technically still are) so get to hear expectations from the bodies that planned it and manage it.... They went to a whole lot of trouble to communicate with lots of businesses for a publicity stunt...

Staffing was a challenge but that is why ex nurses and docs were being called back... along with military equivalents if needed.

But dont let facts get in the way of a good post...

[spireiterob]

A Timeline of the UK Government’s Response to the Coronavirus crisis.

https://bylinetimes....navirus-crisis/

[Benno Spire]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 13 April 2020 - 01:39 PM, said:

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

So then 'Boris', put your policies where your praise is.

And let's never, ever again have any dog whistle pandering to the xenophobic vote...


EDIT: gonna add a 'PS' for general discussion.

I booked a Jet2 holiday for the start of June. Ibiza. One which they've now told me won't happen (obviously). However they've also said they'll be resuming flights in the middle of June - which left a huge question mark over my head. How could they possibly know things will've eased by then? Are they just trying to get punters re-booking - thereby keeping their money a little longer - or do they know summat we don't?

Then today I see suggestions Spain may be loosening their lockdown. Hmmm...

I was due to go to Lanzarote on 25 March booked through on the beach which was quite rightly cancelled. I received a refund a few days ago for half the amount and info on their website says a second refund will be sent when they get refunded by the airline, in this case Ryanair. It’s virtually impossible to make any contact.A family member was due to go on holiday early June and told it was cancelled only then to be told they still had to make their final due holiday payment otherwise they were not entitled to a refund.I am also getting emails from on the beach and Ryanair wanting me to book another holiday, not a chance at the moment, “Argate” is looking good this year.

[calvin plummers socks]

joe, on 13 April 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

I heard the same.
Only 5 patients have used it so far apparently

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

isleaiw1, on 13 April 2020 - 04:19 PM, said:

OK so we were asked to provide hotel facilities for the staff there as and when they ran out of rooms at the more local hotels. We were on standby for days (and technically still are) so get to hear expectations from the bodies that planned it and manage it.... They went to a whole lot of trouble to communicate with lots of businesses for a publicity stunt...

Staffing was a challenge but that is why ex nurses and docs were being called back... along with military equivalents if needed.

But dont let facts get in the way of a good post...

I trust your word, Ian.

I trust the ability of our service personnel to erect a temporary hospital and our retired medical staff to populate it, too.

And for all their duplicity and deceit I'd like to think even this government wouldn't stoop so low as to waste so much time and resources on a PR stunt.

But given the spiralling infection rate and us having the highest daily death rate in Europe the idea of such a high profile facility being barely used just seems, well, strange, that's all.

In fact as strange as the eight or so thousand ventilators deemed so utterly insufficient a couple of weeks ago now somehow meeting our needs...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 13 April 2020 - 05:58 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

joe said:

1586789672[/url]' post='1514290']
I feel the Nightingale hospital was purely a publicity campaign to overshadow the incompetence in getting PPE sorted as efficiently as other countries. I know several Drs and nurses in London saying there was absolutely no way it could be staffed.

I know a few serving military personnel. I can assure you, there are dozens and dozens of medics and medical officers on standby for these nightingale hospitals.







Staffing levels might not be what a normal ICU has in normal circumstances, but these are not normal circumstances. I’m also of the view that it is a positive if these are not being used, it means that the numbers of sick and dying people might be less than it could have been. Do you not think that’s a positive position to be in?






Publicity stunt? Have a word with yourself.






Also, if anyone says it’s a waste of money, is it? Really? A precautionary measure that is on standby to treat 4000 sick and dying people were the pandemic to get worse a waste of money? While I agree it’s a disgrace that so far in some hospitals they still seem to be using bin bags (as of 3 days ago anyway) how can anyone say building extra emergency capacity to treat sick and dying people is a waste of money?






Surely it’s better to have built it and not used it, than have to leave over 80s to die because there was no extra capacity- as they did in parts of Italy?









I suggest some of you read Gokus post 1002 from yesterday.






Blind criticism over objectivity. The virus isn’t a voter, it doesn’t need to be won over with petty and pointless political point scoring. That can wait, that I’d suggest is best saved for how the aftermath is dealt with, and who ends up having to pay for it.

[calvin plummers socks]

Quaker, on 13 April 2020 - 05:10 PM, said:

Are you saying that’s a bad thing?

Why would anyone think it’s a bad thing??

The fewer in there the better!

[Search & Destroy]

I think we have a few members of the flat earth society on here

[Wooden Spoon]

Looks like Russia is the next epicentre. One hospital has 1500 coved patients and 1300 beds.





Italy now has over 20,000 fatalities. A huge number. A number to make you think.

[azul]

Channel 4 News was a hard watch tonight.

It detailed the criteria for people entering intensive care. The conclusion was that normal people In their 70/80s aren’t always being admitted due to how traumatic and intrusive ventilation is and the likely hood that even if they survive the immediate crisis, the damage caused would be untenable.

Question marks about massive under reporting of deaths in the community and in care homes homes, possibly by design.

That would be two reasons why critical care beds aren’t full.

Another story that is developing is that there are shortages of drugs that allow ventilation to be bearable, pain killers, sedatives, etc. It is reported that ventilators are useless without these drugs