[calvin plummers socks]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 09:33 PM, said:

Italy seems to have light at the end of the tunnel thankfully. I hope they are now on the downward curve.





I’d be interested to see what contributions to all of this the Vatican makes. Isn’t this after all an act of god?

Came from China which doesn’t really have religion so that’s probably the Vatican’s get out clause....

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 01 April 2020 - 09:34 PM, said:

The Guardian? Really!
Any outlet that chooses to publicise the views of Owen Jones has me shaking my head..fair do's though mate, it wouldn't be boring if we all thought the same way!

They also have opinion pieces from right wing people I can’t stand politically. To be honest I don’t read that stuff anywhere because it is someone’s opinion, nothing more. I prefer hard news and I do trust them as a source for that stuff generally.

I only read John Crace, their political sketch writer who is very funny. The one who introduced the world to the Maybot

This post has been edited by azul: 01 April 2020 - 09:51 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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He came across terrible but If course it was heavily edited

But I eluded to the ridicules situation in my revised post that you responded to. WHO is a UN organisation. Taiwan is not a member of the UN and is only recognised by a dozen or so countries, Paraguay is about the biggest.

So WHO are in difficult political situation over Taiwan when countries like USA and UK don’t recognise Taiwan. As I suggested in my post, China still trades with Taiwan like buggery and so do we and I suggest WHO probably has close unofficial contacts too.

What are your preferred news sources then?

[azul]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 09:54 PM, said:

What are your preferred news sources then?

I listed them above

[mr. smith]

avoid fox news.

[frearsghost]

azul, on 01 April 2020 - 09:35 PM, said:

He came across terrible but If course it was heavily edited

But I eluded to the ridicules situation in my revised post that you responded to. WHO is a UN organisation. Taiwan is not a member of the UN and is only recognised by a dozen or so countries, Paraguay is about the biggest.

So WHO are in difficult political situation over Taiwan when countries like USA and UK don’t recognise Taiwan. As I suggested in my post, China still trades with Taiwan like buggery and so do we and I suggest WHO probably has close unofficial contacts too.

Since when has not being recognised as a country been the reason not to support free speech, condemn false imprisonment, executions and in China's case, the disappearance of doctors who want to tell the truth? The only difficult position the WHO finds itself, is an immoral one.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 02 April 2020 - 09:58 AM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

It seems even sections of the pro-millionaire media are echoing how cringeworthy yesterday's press conference was.

Journo after journo asked question after question requiring a specific, often statistical answer. Only for the government representatives to duck and dodge and wriggle and squirm.

No answer on how many NHS staff have actually been tested. Probably because numbers this morning reveal it's a pitifully low fraction. No answer why Gove blamed a lack of reagents despite suppliers immediately contradicting his claims. What? The bloke that joined Johnson as head of the discredited 'Vote Leave' campaign lying again? Surely not. No answer why an official exercise revealing how desperately short of ventilators the NHS would be in a pandemic was ignored. Infact the public sector currently proving so vital was further undermined. No answer on the continuing scandal of frontline staff being sent 'over the top' without proper PPE. Gear another government figure celebrated being delivered only last weekend.

And of course no answers whatsoever when any of this might change.

Then Johnson releases a video where he rumbustiously declares the need to 'ramp up' testing. With enthusiastic fist-pumps to emphasise it. Well yeah, that's what countless medical experts and staff have been telling him all along. So why has it taken until now for him to get it? Why are we still - STILL - seeing barely half the twenty five thousand per day he promised more than a week ago? Why will even that way off figure be disgracefully short of what many other countries are achieving?

Just like the election campaign he treats every day as 'day zero'. As if anything and everything that happened before was nothing to do with him. As if Churchillian calls for action can compensate for basic, bog standard competence.

But as we were reminded today it's the same Boris Johnson who didn't chair a COBRA meeting until the beginning of March and adopted a 'keep calm and wash your hands' approach whilst the rest of the world was being locked down.

As one international observer recently told us Britain had warnings. We had weeks if not months to see what was happening in the far east - communist party skewed figures though they may've been - and organise. We had years to put just one more ventilator in every hospital. One more bed in every ICU unit. One more doctor and nurse on every ward.

Yet every member of the current cabinet voted against such measures.

I make no apology for 'politicising' that fact now and will make absolutely no apology for repeating it when all this is over...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 02 April 2020 - 10:04 AM

[Bonnyman]

frearsghost, on 02 April 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

Since when has not being recognised as a country been the reason not to support free speech, condemn false imprisonment, executions and in China's case, the disappearance of doctors who want to tell the truth? The only difficult position the WHO finds itself, is an immoral one.

[Bonnyman]

frearsghost, on 02 April 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

Since when has not being recognised as a country been the reason not to support free speech, condemn false imprisonment, executions and in China's case, the disappearance of doctors who want to tell the truth? The only difficult position the WHO finds itself, is an immoral one.

Could you imagine if people who wanted to tell the truth in this country were killed....people would be frightened to expose things like weapons of mass destruction

[azul]

frearsghost, on 02 April 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

Since when has not being recognised as a country been the reason not to support free speech, condemn false imprisonment, executions and in China's case, the disappearance of doctors who want to tell the truth? The only difficult position the WHO finds itself, is an immoral one.

Perhaps you should address that question to America and UK goverments who are quite happy to trade with China.

WHO is UN organisation whose members recognise China and not Taiwan, that includes our own goverment. If you don't see that as an issue, then I really don't know what to say.

Perhaps you could write a letter to Johnson?

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1585821554[/url]' post='1513287']
It seems even sections of the pro-millionaire media are echoing how cringeworthy yesterday's press conference was.

Journo after journo asked question after question requiring a specific, often statistical answer. Only for the government representatives to duck and dodge and wriggle and squirm.

No answer on how many NHS staff have actually been tested. Probably because numbers this morning reveal it's a pitifully low fraction. No answer why Gove blamed a lack of reagents despite suppliers immediately contradicting his claims. What? The bloke that joined Johnson as head of the discredited 'Vote Leave' campaign lying again? Surely not. No answer why an official exercise revealing how desperately short of ventilators the NHS would be in a pandemic was ignored. Infact the public sector currently proving so vital was further undermined. No answer on the continuing scandal of frontline staff being sent 'over the top' without proper PPE. Gear another government figure celebrated being delivered only last weekend.

And of course no answers whatsoever when any of this might change.

Then Johnson releases a video where he rumbustiously declares the need to 'ramp up' testing. With enthusiastic fist-pumps to emphasise it. Well yeah, that's what countless medical experts and staff have been telling him all along. So why has it taken until now for him to get it? Why are we still - STILL - seeing barely half the twenty five thousand per day he promised more than a week ago? Why will even that way off figure be disgracefully short of what many other countries are achieving?

Just like the election campaign he treats every day as 'day zero'. As if anything and everything that happened before was nothing to do with him. As if Churchillian calls for action can compensate for basic, bog standard competence.

But as we were reminded today it's the same Boris Johnson who didn't chair a COBRA meeting until the beginning of March and adopted a 'keep calm and wash your hands' approach whilst the rest of the world was being locked down.

As one international observer recently told us Britain had warnings. We had weeks if not months to see what was happening in the far east - communist party skewed figures though they may've been - and organise. We had years to put just one more ventilator in every hospital. One more bed in every ICU unit. One more doctor and nurse on every ward.

Yet every member of the current cabinet voted against such measures.

I make no apology for 'politicising' that fact now and will make absolutely no apology for repeating it when all this is over...

I really don’t get why NHS staff aren’t being tested as the utmost priority. You don’t need to be Albert flipping Einstein to figure out you’d need as a many medical staff showing symptoms as possible to get them back to work if they are not infected.






As said earlier, I hope after this the government realise what value our public services really have other than pounds shillings and pence

[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 April 2020 - 09:59 AM, said:

It seems even sections of the pro-millionaire media are echoing how cringeworthy yesterday's press conference was.

Journo after journo asked question after question requiring a specific, often statistical answer. Only for the government representatives to duck and dodge and wriggle and squirm.

No answer on how many NHS staff have actually been tested. Probably because numbers this morning reveal it's a pitifully low fraction. No answer why Gove blamed a lack of reagents despite suppliers immediately contradicting his claims. What? The bloke that joined Johnson as head of the discredited 'Vote Leave' campaign lying again? Surely not. No answer why an official exercise revealing how desperately short of ventilators the NHS would be in a pandemic was ignored. Infact the public sector currently proving so vital was further undermined. No answer on the continuing scandal of frontline staff being sent 'over the top' without proper PPE. Gear another government figure celebrated being delivered only last weekend.

And of course no answers whatsoever when any of this might change.

Then Johnson releases a video where he rumbustiously declares the need to 'ramp up' testing. With enthusiastic fist-pumps to emphasise it. Well yeah, that's what countless medical experts and staff have been telling him all along. So why has it taken until now for him to get it? Why are we still - STILL - seeing barely half the twenty five thousand per day he promised more than a week ago? Why will even that way off figure be disgracefully short of what many other countries are achieving?

Just like the election campaign he treats every day as 'day zero'. As if anything and everything that happened before was nothing to do with him. As if Churchillian calls for action can compensate for basic, bog standard competence.

But as we were reminded today it's the same Boris Johnson who didn't chair a COBRA meeting until the beginning of March and adopted a 'keep calm and wash your hands' approach whilst the rest of the world was being locked down.

As one international observer recently told us Britain had warnings. We had weeks if not months to see what was happening in the far east - communist party skewed figures though they may've been - and organise. We had years to put just one more ventilator in every hospital. One more bed in every ICU unit. One more doctor and nurse on every ward.

Yet every member of the current cabinet voted against such measures.

I make no apology for 'politicising' that fact now and will make absolutely no apology for repeating it when all this is over...

I hear Johnson wants Starmer in his cabinet, 'Minster for Covid Testing' and a Liberal as 'Minister fo PPE' once he saw the Daily Mail's front page

[azul]

DEATH, on 02 April 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

As said earlier, I hope after this the government realise what value our public services really have other than pounds shillings and pence

It's whether the people learn to value the public services? When we do, we'll get a goverment that will.

But you can be sure, we'll be back to 'Small Goverment' crap at the earliest opportunity

This post has been edited by azul: 02 April 2020 - 11:31 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.bbc.co.u...-china-52131940





First step? PR stunt?

[Search & Destroy]

They really are a savage race, draining bear bile and drinking it for medicinal purposes. FFS

[azul]

DEATH, on 02 April 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

https://www.bbc.co.u...-china-52131940





First step? PR stunt?

The ‘wet food’ as it’s euphemistically called is a lot more than just eating cats and dogs. It’s about the way wild animals are sold together with domesticated animals (I’m thinking poultry rather than cats) in unhygienic conditions, both live and dead. As far as I’m aware they has been periodic clampdowns but because it’s so culturally ingrained in some parts it just gets driven underground. Other countries with predominantly Chinese populations, notably Singapore clamped down on it decades ago, so it is possible. If authoritarian Singapore can do it, then so can China although there’s obviously an issue scale

Just a word of caution while we are beating up on the Chinese; eating this kind of stuff is a minority exercise but that probably still leaves millions doing it, especially in rural backward areas.

This post has been edited by azul: 02 April 2020 - 01:22 PM

[frearsghost]

azul, on 02 April 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

Perhaps you should address that question to America and UK goverments who are quite happy to trade with China.

WHO is UN organisation whose members recognise China and not Taiwan, that includes our own goverment. If you don't see that as an issue, then I really don't know what to say.

Perhaps you could write a letter to Johnson?

The difference is that the USA and Britain, despite trading with China, is not afraid to criticise its human right's record. So why has the WHO praised China's response to the virus - now being outed as deceitful - and keeping schtum on criticism?

China is the second biggest financial contributor to the WHO. The first is the USA whose contribution of $100 million dollars has not been forthcoming. China is the piper presently calling the shots. Hence, Bruce Aylward's embarrassing and cowardly, see, hear and smell no evil interview, revealing the WHO will stay silent for the money.

I do think that after virus is over, the west will have to rethink it's relationship with China but a China cut off from trade will be a dangerous China. They have to be engaged.

[frearsghost]

azul, on 02 April 2020 - 01:21 PM, said:

The ‘wet food’ as it’s euphemistically called is a lot more than just eating cats and dogs. It’s about the way wild animals are sold together with domesticated animals (I’m thinking poultry rather than cats) in unhygienic conditions, both live and dead. As far as I’m aware they has been periodic clampdowns but because it’s so culturally ingrained in some parts it just gets driven underground. Other countries with predominantly Chinese populations, notably Singapore clamped down on it decades ago, so it is possible. If authoritarian Singapore can do it, then so can China although there’s obviously an issue scale

Just a word of caution while we are beating up on the Chinese; eating this kind of stuff is a minority exercise but that probably still leaves millions doing it, especially in rural backward areas.

I think you are right on this. No amount of legislation will stop these wet markets. These culinary delights go back centuries and were reinforced with the cultural revolution when thousands starved to death.

[Wooden Spoon]

Search and Destroy said:

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They really are a savage race, draining bear bile and drinking it for medicinal purposes. FFS

Bear bile?

[Search & Destroy]

DEATH, on 02 April 2020 - 01:27 PM, said:

Bear bile?

However, at the same time as this ruling, China approved the use of bear bile to treat coronavirus patients.
Bear bile - a digestive fluid drained from living captive bears - has long been used in traditional Chinese medicine.
The active ingredient, ursodeoxycholic acid, is used to dissolve gallstones and treat liver disease. But there is no proof that it is effective against the coronavirus and the process is painful and distressing for the animals
Brian Daly, a spokesman for the Animals Asia Foundation, told AFP: "We shouldn't be relying on wildlife products like bear bile as the solution to combat a deadly virus that appears to have originated from wildlife."


It was on that link you posted