[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

In six months time, it might be ideal for someone, perhaps Kier Starmer, to insist on a fair way forward. Not a daft, out of date Corbyn style Labour Party, but a modern, progressive real world party of proper social values that reflects the life of people in the 21st century. Where work is encouraged and fairly rewarded instead of being bullied and exploited by the likes of mike Ashley , while at the same time helping those that need it. The safety net must always be there. Close tax loop holes, everyone, from the janitor to the CEO to the hedge funds all pay the fair share and get the fair share, while at the same time encouraging everyone to take responsibility for their own lives and actions, not blaming others and taking the easy way out. Use examples such the bank loans, the pubs you mentioned, big business turning a blind eye to despotic regimes in favour of profit (were all guilty of that. Buying cheap socks and pants made in China) the premier league clubs paying millionaire players in full while laying off the barman. And so on.

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Be interesting to see if any invitations are offered or accepted, Rob. And is it cynical to wonder if that'll depend on Johnson's ratings? If he thinks it'd be sharing applause or blame?

Especially given this in the Mail - that's the Daily Mail: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

"A British firm producing millions of pounds worth of coronavirus tests is selling most of them abroad because the UK doesn’t have enough laboratories to use them - as ministers were today accused of losing their grip on the crisis."

Wow.

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks said:

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What are you on about?

S&D was ranting about Londoners on the tube etc.

Usual childish reaction - just clarifying from the point of view from down here where I see it daily.
You say you live down here also?

Yep, and I work on the tube.





So don’t tell me what the mayor said or wanted to do - we get direct emails daily about the virus, the state of the tube, possible closures etc from the mayors office itself.

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

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https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Be interesting to see if any invitations are offered or accepted, Rob. And is it cynical to wonder if that'll depend on Johnson's ratings? If he thinks it'd be sharing applause or blame?

Especially given this in the Mail - that's the Daily Mail: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

"A British firm producing millions of pounds worth of coronavirus tests is selling most of them abroad because the UK doesn't have enough laboratories to use them - as ministers were today accused of losing their grip on the crisis."

Wow.

Sensible suggestion if they get a sensible leader. Cross party co operation wouldn’t be a bad thing at this time. A bit like 1940. A temp govt of national unity to do the best for the nation and not the best for the party/leader.




I’d imagine someone like Yvette Cooper could make a worthwhile contribution too.

[calvin plummers socks]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Yep, and I work on the tube.





So don’t tell me what the mayor said or wanted to do - we get direct emails daily about the virus, the state of the tube, possible closures etc from the mayors office itself.

Can you sort out the TFL website so it’s accurate please?

It’s a nightmare!
All Misinformation - we know trains are cancelled etc but at least an accurate service would be welcomed by those of us needing to use it

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

Sensible suggestion if they get a sensible leader. Cross party co operation wouldn’t be a bad thing at this time. A bit like 1940. A temp govt of national unity to do the best for the nation and not the best for the party/leader.




I’d imagine someone like Yvette Cooper could make a worthwhile contribution too.

If as expected Starmer's elected this weekend, hopefully followed by the kinda return to sanity witnessed after Militant were ousted, I think many talented people will return to the fore.

Don't be surprised to see such as David Miliband (can you imagine the entirely different Britain we'd have seen if he, rather than his brother had been leader?), Andy Burnham and former para captain Dan Jarvis - once touted as a potential leader himself - become prominent again.

Our own Toby Perkins who's been instrumental in Starmer's campaign might get a promotion, too.

By the way, being mischievous on the China thing, don't you think we'd have more influence as part of a large group demanding change? One populated by, say, most of Europe, perhaps?

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 01 April 2020 - 02:04 PM

[mr. smith]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 01:03 PM, said:

Looking at how clear the roads are in London, these essential workers might be better driving.





TfL answer to the mayor, not the PM. Nothing to do with Johnson. So who’s shut stations? Who’s reduced services? Khan.

following on from Johnson saying other week that the country was to be put in lockdown & travel was to be only in essential cases TfL & the mayor decided to reduce the services on the tube & bus. khan had previously argued that services should be left alone if possible as reduced service meant prime time congestion.
so khan & TfL reduced services but only after (& prob in consultation with) No10 made their statement.

[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 01:34 PM, said:

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Be interesting to see if any invitations are offered or accepted, Rob. And is it cynical to wonder if that'll depend on Johnson's ratings? If he thinks it'd be sharing applause or blame?

Especially given this in the Mail - that's the Daily Mail: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

"A British firm producing millions of pounds worth of coronavirus tests is selling most of them abroad because the UK doesn’t have enough laboratories to use them - as ministers were today accused of losing their grip on the crisis."

Wow.

The government doesn’t need a cross party support. They have a massive majority and all the power they need. All they need is competence which is very much in short supply.

With negative press about their lacklustre response and their ongoing performance starting to ramp up, I’m sure Johnson and Co would love to share the blame around.

Best the opposition keeps calling the government to account in a fair and reasonable manner, although that is quite difficult in this climate without appearing to make political capital.

[joe]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 01:03 PM, said:

Looking at how clear the roads are in London, these essential workers might be better driving.

Lots of Londoners choose not to have a car because of the excellent transport links and because it's a nightmare driving around London



TfL answer to the mayor, not the PM. Nothing to do with Johnson. So who’s shut stations? Who’s reduced services? Khan.

[Wooden Spoon]

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 01 April 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

The government doesn’t need a cross party support. They have a massive majority and all the power they need. All they need is competence which is very much in short supply.

With negative press about their lacklustre response and their ongoing performance starting to ramp up, I’m sure Johnson and Co would love to share the blame around.

Best the opposition keeps calling the government to account in a fair and reasonable manner, although that is quite difficult in this climate without appearing to make political capital.

Good read: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Though I disagree with the conclusion. Dunno about Italy, Hungary or Brazil but both Trump and the Tories will just lie. Again. Repeatedly. Shamelessly. Supported by a millionaire run media who'll find scapegoats for Covid shortcomings in the same way they continue to do over Brexit. And, as you say, invite indignation at others for politicising it whilst brazenly doing so themselves.

Starmer will be best advised to let 'em get on with it...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

https://mobile.twitt...5169684480?s=12

It's a cultural thing though, in't it Rob.

Don't we have jellied eels? Whelks, cockles and mussels? Black pudding, pigs trotters and tripe?

Then ever tried 'sweetbreads'? The crackling that's just baked backfat? Tongue, brawn or sausages wrapped in guts?

Meanwhile there's frogs legs in France, foie gras made from force fed geese, octopus in southern Europe and the disgusting catching and pickling of increasingly rare songbirds around the Med. Hundreds of thousands every year, in fact.

They're not too fussy about eating beavers and squirrels and snakes and pretty much anything else they can grab in the deep south of the States, either.

And don't get me started on the widespread yet barbaric slaughter without stunning deemed acceptable on religious grounds.

I get it, pal. The Chinese are public enemy number one 'cos of corona and being called out over their long term practices. I've no problem with that. But what I am saying is if we're gonna hold them to account let's do the same for others too.

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

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It's a cultural thing isn’t it Rob, They're not too fussy about eating beavers

Yeah. I don’t mind a bit of that myself TBH.

[Misnomer]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 03:39 PM, said:

Yeah. I don’t mind a bit of that myself TBH.

🤭🤭

[CFC91]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

If as expected Starmer's elected this weekend, hopefully followed by the kinda return to sanity witnessed after Militant were ousted, I think many talented people will return to the fore.

Don't be surprised to see such as David Miliband (can you imagine the entirely different Britain we'd have seen if he, rather than his brother had been leader?), Andy Burnham and former para captain Dan Jarvis - once touted as a potential leader himself - become prominent again.

Our own Toby Perkins who's been instrumental in Starmer's campaign might get a promotion, too.

By the way, being mischievous on the China thing, don't you think we'd have more influence as part of a large group demanding change? One populated by, say, most of Europe, perhaps?

Something has to change in the Labour party because at the minute i don't think they win if a election is a one horse race. Awful 10 years, with awful leaders trotting out awful policy that completely mis judges the mood of the public, hence the defeats in election after election and on brexit.

[isleaiw1]

calvin plummers socks, on 01 April 2020 - 01:32 PM, said:

You say you live down here also?

a quote from DEATH above... read all of it....

"Remember which city I work in, and who I work for"

There is a fair clue there why he knows what he is talking about!

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

If as expected Starmer's elected this weekend, hopefully followed by the kinda return to sanity witnessed after Militant were ousted, I think many talented people will return to the fore.

Don't be surprised to see such as David Miliband (can you imagine the entirely different Britain we'd have seen if he, rather than his brother had been leader?), Andy Burnham and former para captain Dan Jarvis - once touted as a potential leader himself - become prominent again.

Our own Toby Perkins who's been instrumental in Starmer's campaign might get a promotion, too.

By the way, being mischievous on the China thing, don't you think we'd have more influence as part of a large group demanding change? One populated by, say, most of Europe, perhaps?

Europe is falling apart. Germany are hoarding medical equipment and wont share it. Italy, Spain and France are having to get stuff from China as the Germans are keeping theirs for themselves. The Italians are furious with their so called European allies. Expect that European club to fall apart a little further after this....

As for Labour, it doesnt matter who is in charge if the tw**S on the NEC dont wake up to the fact that Britain doesnt want their ridiculous policies and even voted for BoJo rather than have them....

[Wooden Spoon]

mr. smith said:

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following on from Johnson saying other week that the country was to be put in lockdown & travel was to be only in essential cases TfL & the mayor decided to reduce the services on the tube & bus. khan had previously argued that services should be left alone if possible as reduced service meant prime time congestion.
so khan & TfL reduced services but only after (& prob in consultation with) No10 made their statement.

Which, as I said, is the polar opposite to what CPS claimed the mayor had said.

azul said:

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The government doesn't need a cross party support. They have a massive majority and all the power they need. All they need is competence which is very much in short supply.

With negative press about their lacklustre response and their ongoing performance starting to ramp up, I'm sure Johnson and Co would love to share the blame around.

Best the opposition keeps calling the government to account in a fair and reasonable manner, although that is quite difficult in this climate without appearing to make political capital.

You’ve made my point perfectly. A joint effort to do what’s best for the nation.




Rather than not being able to let go of party politics.

Misnomer said:

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🤭🤭

Sorry for being a bit crude, but I couldn’t resist it.

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 03:07 PM, said:

It's a cultural thing though, in't it Rob.

Don't we have jellied eels? Whelks, cockles and mussels? Black pudding, pigs trotters and tripe?

Then ever tried 'sweetbreads'? The crackling that's just baked backfat? Tongue, brawn or sausages wrapped in guts?

Meanwhile there's frogs legs in France, foie gras made from force fed geese, octopus in southern Europe and the disgusting catching and pickling of increasingly rare songbirds around the Med. Hundreds of thousands every year, in fact.

They're not too fussy about eating beavers and squirrels and snakes and pretty much anything else they can grab in the deep south of the States, either.

And don't get me started on the widespread yet barbaric slaughter without stunning deemed acceptable on religious grounds.

I get it, pal. The Chinese are public enemy number one 'cos of corona and being called out over their long term practices. I've no problem with that. But what I am saying is if we're gonna hold them to account let's do the same for others too.

Fair points Chris, one mans meat etc but the species which carry these virus are the type they eat in the Far East, throw in hygiene and husbandry methods that would make a medieval torturer wince then you have a recipe for disaster.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury said:

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Fair points Chris, one mans meat etc but the species which carry these virus are the type they eat in the Far East, throw in hygiene and husbandry methods that would make a medieval torturer wince then you have a recipe for disaster.

Being serious for a minute, he’s right in many ways.





Until recently large cattle were also draft animals and too valuable to eat. Sheep were more valuable for wool than meat.





Peasants like us ate shell fish,, eels, small fish from rivers, rabbit, game birds including crows, blackbirds, pigeons etc as well as offal of all kinds. We still eat offal in many forms too.





The difference is the way these animals are kept,slaughtered etc. IMO. Basic hygiene. Keeping bats with one potential virus next to a cage of cats with another, next to lizards and insects and god knows what else is a nightmare breeding ground for cross species viral contamination with people right in the centre.





And then there’s they way they slaughter them, and skin some alive for the pelts.





And yeah, half, kosha needs to be stopped too.

[Benno Spire]

So with all the current worries over finances it’s sad to read BP moaning about the drop in oil price and having to reduce their spending plans to only 12 billion pounds this year.It really gets my goat hearing about these large companies with massive cash reserves concerned more about their profit margins.
Bring on the electric car sooner.