[isleaiw1]

Nerima Spireite, on 30 March 2020 - 12:54 PM, said:

While I don’t doubt the veracity of your story and am very sorry to hear of it, as someone who has been living in Japan for a good while now, I can assure you that there are just as many good and bad folk here as anywhere else in the world and the majority would listen to your mother in laws’ father’s story, were he alive and willing to tell it, with great regret and shame. My wife is Japanese and my daughter half-Japanese and they, like the rest of us here, and all of you over there, and almost everywhere now in the world are facing a common threat that should bind us more closely in the one thing we certainly share - our humanity - than anything or anyone that seeks to tear us apart. And though I quoted your post, Mr M., this is in no way solely aimed at you.

My Uncle was a Japanese prisoner of war, who emigrated to Canada after the war, so I never knew him. However, my cousin tells me the story of him starting speaking a bit of Japanese to some tourists one day - when they asked how he knew Japanese he told them where he had learned it, and they apologised profusely for the actions of their country. My uncle, despite being a PoW, held nothing against them and for that reason I can see why no one else should.

[Mr Mercury]

isleaiw1, on 30 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

My Uncle was a Japanese prisoner of war, who emigrated to Canada after the war, so I never knew him. However, my cousin tells me the story of him starting speaking a bit of Japanese to some tourists one day - when they asked how he knew Japanese he told them where he had learned it, and they apologised profusely for the actions of their country. My uncle, despite being a PoW, held nothing against them and for that reason I can see why no one else should.

And that's the whole point. You should judge people today, not for actions of years gone by.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 30 March 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

I’m sure you don’t mean it, but SOMETIMES you come across a bit like Walton, who SEEMS to take a bit of glee out of when Town lose and a bit a disappointment when we win

It SEEMS like he almost wants us to lose...because that would further his argument

And I know you don't mean it, but SOMETIMES it SEEMS you're trying to avoid the issues I reference with accusations like this.

It really is quite simple: there're those who've always supported our public services and those who haven't.

So if there's one thing to come out of this whole sh*t show let it be that no one, whether some right wing politician, a representative of those shady free market and tax-cutting lobby groups or the millionaire backed media, can ever again appear in public deriding their importance...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 30 March 2020 - 03:30 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 30 March 2020 - 01:42 PM, said:

Oh Jeez

Don't be so precious. You have very thick skin.

[CFC91]

This threads taken an interesting turn since my last visit. Political point scoring and little englander hatred of people someone's never met. Great.

I have a question that i'm hoping someone could offer some advice on as it's not my area at all.

My mates wife has her own small business, started in Jan 2018. Has been told as part of this 80% that only earnings declared from Jan 2018-April 2019 will be considered for the 80% (4 months) - so in effect she will get 1/3 of 80%.

Will the government not roll up the average of her earnings from the 4 months over a 12month period to give an average 12m earnings?

Or will a declaration for 2019 give her 16 months worth of earnings and thus ensure she qualify for the full 80%? Not sure how it works but I thought a business that started trading in 2018 would be fine, but my mate doesnt think this is the case and wants some advice? There was a reason Rishi Sunak has said June is the earliest people will be paid, and i'm sure part of that is to allow people to submit their latest declarations? Or did I hear that wrong?

Cheers,

[Search & Destroy]

I must say the response of the British Government, and the general population has been nothing short of outstanding, from mobilising the NHS, hospitals coming from scratch, the voluntary scheme, the monetary aid which stopped non essential workers from travelling, the scientists, the many tech companies all coming together

Can’t help feeling proud of the Nation

[Westbars Spireite]

CFC91, on 30 March 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

This threads taken an interesting turn since my last visit. Political point scoring and little englander hatred of people someone's never met. Great.

I have a question that i'm hoping someone could offer some advice on as it's not my area at all.

My mates wife has her own small business, started in Jan 2018. Has been told as part of this 80% that only earnings declared from Jan 2018-April 2019 will be considered for the 80% (4 months) - so in effect she will get 1/3 of 80%.

Will the government not roll up the average of her earnings from the 4 months over a 12month period to give an average 12m earnings?

Or will a declaration for 2019 give her 16 months worth of earnings and thus ensure she qualify for the full 80%? Not sure how it works but I thought a business that started trading in 2018 would be fine, but my mate doesnt think this is the case and wants some advice? There was a reason Rishi Sunak has said June is the earliest people will be paid, and i'm sure part of that is to allow people to submit their latest declarations? Or did I hear that wrong?

Cheers,

I'm not going to pretend I dissected it but from what I read afterwards it seemed that those with less than 2 full years would effectively be penalised by spreading the amount declared over that period.

[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 30 March 2020 - 04:10 PM, said:

I must say the response of the British Government, and the general population has been nothing short of outstanding, from mobilising the NHS, hospitals coming from scratch, the voluntary scheme, the monetary aid which stopped non essential workers from travelling, the scientists, the many tech companies all coming together

Can’t help feeling proud of the Nation

And that is surely irony?
The most bizarre thing you’ve ever written surely!

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks said:

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And that is surely irony?
The most bizarre thing you've ever written surely!

You don’t think trying to keep people employed, keeping food on people’s table and money in the pocket, or the new nightingale hospitals are steps that have been taken of which we should applaud or be proud?




Have you been sniffing poppies?

[Search & Destroy]

Add in getting the homeless off the streets , the massive challenge in repatriation, it’s an unprecedented effort in every direction

[calvin plummers socks]

Homeless off the streets? You are kidding right?

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.mirror.c...laimed-21774372




Meanwhile, over the border in Mansfield........

[clarevoyant.]

calvin plummers socks, on 30 March 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

And that is surely irony?
The most bizarre thing you’ve ever written surely!

You're better at being a prat when not trying to be so, rather than when you try to be.

[Westbars Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 30 March 2020 - 05:25 PM, said:

Homeless off the streets? You are kidding right?

I just watched the BBC East Midlands news and they had a piece showing local authority staff taking to the streets in Derby, Nottingham and Mansfield and anyone who accepted the offer (not all did) were being put up in hotels.

[calvin plummers socks]

clarevoyant., on 30 March 2020 - 06:16 PM, said:

You're better at being a prat when not trying to be so, rather than when you try to be.

Grow up

[joe]

Search and Destroy, on 30 March 2020 - 04:10 PM, said:

I must say the response of the British Government, and the general population has been nothing short of outstanding, from mobilising the NHS, hospitals coming from scratch, the voluntary scheme, the monetary aid which stopped non essential workers from travelling, the scientists, the many tech companies all coming together

Can’t help feeling proud of the Nation

For those of you who give The Earl of Chesterfield a red

This is how we came to be in this situation. I don't think a socialist government would have kept this secret.

From the Sunday Telegraph

The NHS failed a major cross-government test of its ability to handle a severe pandemic but the “terrifying” results were kept secret from the public, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Ministers were informed three years ago that Britain would be quickly overwhelmed by a severe outbreak amid a shortage of critical care beds, morgue capacity and personal protective equipment (PPE), an investigation has discovered.

Codenamed Exercise Cygnus, the three-day dry run for a pandemic carried out in October 2016 tested how NHS hospitals and other services would cope in the event of a major flu outbreak with a similar mortality rate to Covid-19.

The report on Cygnus’s findings were deemed too sensitive by Whitehall officials to be made public but the Sunday Telegraph has established that it found:...

[Search & Destroy]

Well Joe,

I think the government have done and are doing everything they possibly can

If you are asking that should the Government have authorised the building and staffing of thousands of additional critical care beds and increasing morgue capacity just in case a once in a century (or more) pandemic should arrive from China, then I’m not sure the answer would have been yes

At least they did the test you referred to so early on they would know there would most likely be a shortage and therefore implemented the additional capacity in time for the peak?

[mr. smith]

Search and Destroy, on 30 March 2020 - 07:18 PM, said:

Well Joe,

I think the government have done and are doing everything they possibly can

If you are asking that should the Government have authorised the building and staffing of thousands of additional critical care beds and increasing morgue capacity just in case a once in a century (or more) pandemic should arrive from China, then I’m not sure the answer would have been yes

At least they did the test you referred to so early on they would know there would most likely be a shortage and therefore implemented the additional capacity in time for the peak?

getting some ppe into stock would have been a starting point.

[Search & Destroy]

mr. smith, on 30 March 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:

getting some ppe into stock would have been a starting point.

That’s relatively cheap and I wouldn’t disagree, there’s a clamour worldwide for it and would have made sense to have it just in case

[dim view]

mr. smith, on 30 March 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:

getting some ppe into stock would have been a starting point.

presumably, one positive result of this situation is that the country will be able to sterilise and mothball tens of thousands of relatively simple ventilators, which may well be a common feature in the treatment of all viral pandemics.