[dim view]

moondog, on 28 March 2020 - 10:45 AM, said:

The clubs haven't been asked to vote but some have expressed a view when enquiring about financial assistance. We aren't amongst them as we aren't disadvantanged compared to other clubs by whatever they decide...

..unless they decide to complete the season, which risks us being relegated. Again, I assume that that is very much a minority position but we should perhaps be proactively rallying support in favour of a close down.

[Westbars Spireite]

I'd rather we let nature take its course and not proactively rally anything.

[dtp]

moondog, on 28 March 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Yes but there are two relegation spots

As I understand it the EFL had previously decided that their would be only one team relegated from L2 to the NL this season not two. This is to compensate for the loss of Bury to L1 which has only 23 teams in it. Their decisions, already taken, on promotions and relegations brings back their full compliment of clubs by promoting two teams from the NL.

Meanwhile, the NL, even though being in possession of the full facts for several months regarding the EFL decision, still have NOT made any decision regarding whether or not 3 or 4 teams are to be relegated this season from the NL. Now, I thought that to be a very simple decision to make yet they haven't got their brains round it yet!!!!

So, what chance have we got for them to make a major decision when it comes to coronavirus and it's implications on clubs, players and fans health and welfare?

For me, there's only one decision regarding this season and that is to declare it is over and not to mess about with future seasons and other competitions for the sake of trying to complete this season in unfair conditions with teams potentially being made up of different players than they are at present.

I can see that decisions about promotions and relegations are debatable and need to be agreed with the EFL in respect of whether or not one team or not is relegated from L2 as this could determine whether no teams, one team or two teams are promoted. Then that would leave the NL to determine how to best bring about the full compliment of clubs in it's top league and to, also, decide a method of further promotion from NL North and South should any clubs fail financially before the commencement of next season.

[boot]

dim view, on 28 March 2020 - 10:54 AM, said:

..unless they decide to complete the season, which risks us being relegated. Again, I assume that that is very much a minority position but we should perhaps be proactively rallying support in favour of a close down.

,As there are very few winners at the end of a season compared with the losers and the rest then you would think that the majority in any EFL vote would favour a close down. However, the Premiership's intention appears to be to complete and rake in the money that means. If they then want to relegate 3 clubs the problem stretches down to us. Football from top to bottom thinks it is above a worldwide pandemic - 3500 Spanish fans from Madrid in Liverpool - clubs willing to challenge the non-league shutdown . Shut the lot down now.

[Happ Hazzard]

I think the only reason to cancel this season is if next season can start on time. If it can't start on time and a shorter format 20/21 season has to be played, you might as well finish off this season first.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Happ Hazzard, on 28 March 2020 - 12:10 PM, said:

I think the only reason to cancel this season is if next season can start on time. If it can't start on time and a shorter format 20/21 season has to be played, you might as well finish off this season first.

Let's say it once again: by the time any resumption will be possible every club will have a different squad, many will have different managers and some will've gone bust.

So to carry on would be totally unfair, totally unrepresentative of the last seven months and the 2019/20 season in name only.

Sorry all you clubs on the brink of promotion, but it's a small price to pay compared to the far bigger picture.

[Valley Blues]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 March 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

Let's say it once again: by the time any resumption will be possible every club will have a different squad, many will have different managers and some will've gone bust.

So to carry on would be totally unfair, totally unrepresentative of the last seven months and the 2019/20 season in name only.

Sorry all you clubs on the brink of promotion, but it's a small price to pay compared to the far bigger picture.

Would you hold this view if you were a Barrow supporter?

Let’s be frank, if they don’t go up this season due to it being void then that will most likely be their chance of league football gone. Possibly for good.

[Tha Knows...]

Valley Blues, on 28 March 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

Would you hold this view if you were a Barrow supporter?

Let’s be frank, if they don’t go up this season due to it being void then that will most likely be their chance of league football gone. Possibly for good.

Health matters more than promotion for Barrow or Liverpool winning the premier league

[Valley Blues]

Spire-Power, on 28 March 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

Health matters more than promotion for Barrow or Liverpool winning the premier league

I’ve never suggested for one moment that football is more important.

I would suggest, though, that any club ,and equally their fans, in the position Barrow find themselves in now would want the season completing any which way it could and wouldn’t be happy with just drawing a line under the previous 8 months of hard work.

This is most probably the best chance they’ll ever get of league football.

This post has been edited by Valley Blues: 28 March 2020 - 12:59 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Valley Blues, on 28 March 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

Would you hold this view if you were a Barrow supporter?

Let’s be frank, if they don’t go up this season due to it being void then that will most likely be their chance of league football gone. Possibly for good.

Look at it like the sixty seventh minute at Old Traff, April 1997. A once in a lifetime opportunity there and gone. It was sh*t. It still stinks now. But we have no choice other than to accept it. And of course the only thing that died that day were our dreams.

Hopefully that's all Barrow fans have to mourn, too...

[moondog]

dtp, on 28 March 2020 - 11:50 AM, said:

As I understand it the EFL had previously decided that their would be only one team relegated from L2 to the NL this season not two. This is to compensate for the loss of Bury to L1 which has only 23 teams in it. Their decisions, already taken, on promotions and relegations brings back their full compliment of clubs by promoting two teams from the NL.

Meanwhile, the NL, even though being in possession of the full facts for several months regarding the EFL decision, still have NOT made any decision regarding whether or not 3 or 4 teams are to be relegated this season from the NL. Now, I thought that to be a very simple decision to make yet they haven't got their brains round it yet!!!!

So, what chance have we got for them to make a major decision when it comes to coronavirus and it's implications on clubs, players and fans health and welfare?

For me, there's only one decision regarding this season and that is to declare it is over and not to mess about with future seasons and other competitions for the sake of trying to complete this season in unfair conditions with teams potentially being made up of different players than they are at present.

I can see that decisions about promotions and relegations are debatable and need to be agreed with the EFL in respect of whether or not one team or not is relegated from L2 as this could determine whether no teams, one team or two teams are promoted. Then that would leave the NL to determine how to best bring about the full compliment of clubs in it's top league and to, also, decide a method of further promotion from NL North and South should any clubs fail financially before the commencement of next season.

Correct, my point they have one they would have to consider, they can't relegate if the National League doesn't promote

[Valley Blues]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 March 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

Look at it like the sixty seventh minute at Old Traff, April 1997. A once in a lifetime opportunity there and gone. It was sh*t. It still stinks now. But we have no choice other than to accept it. And of course the only thing that died that day were our dreams.

Hopefully that's all Barrow fans have to mourn, too...

My initial question was whether you would hold the same view, that the season gets binned and we start over, if you were a Barrow fan and not a Spireite?

[SpireiteFitzy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 March 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

Let's say it once again: by the time any resumption will be possible every club will have a different squad, many will have different managers and some will've gone bust.

So to carry on would be totally unfair, totally unrepresentative of the last seven months and the 2019/20 season in name only.

Sorry all you clubs on the brink of promotion, but it's a small price to pay compared to the far bigger picture.

Would you hand on heart say the same if we were in Barrows position? They might never get this opportunity ever again. It's easier to call an annulment when you've nothing to lose from it.

[clarevoyant.]

You do have to feel sorry for Barrow. Their failure to gain re-election to the league (71-72) must have left a sour taste with them finishing 3rd from bottom 9 points clear of the bottom club. The country at the time was still having a "luv in" with Ronnie Radford and Herefords FA Cup exploits who just happened to be the club seeking election. So someone had to go.

The 9 points safety cushion that Barrow had was futile in comparison to the the geographical advantage that Crewe and Stockport had, over trips to far flung north Lancs.(it was then even Lancs got shut of them eventually)so the voting clubs voted for a steady jaunt to Cheshire.
So 40+ years on it looks like they are stuffed again very unfortunate but the league as to be null and void.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 28 March 2020 - 01:35 PM

[Tha Knows...]

SpireiteFitzy, on 28 March 2020 - 01:28 PM, said:

Would you hand on heart say the same if we were in Barrows position? They might never get this opportunity ever again. It's easier to call an annulment when you've nothing to lose from it.

I'd expect Evo to support a decision to void the season and so minimise the risk of infection spreading.

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

It should end now, no fair or easy way, but a final table based on points earned per game so far and goals for & against multiplied by total games ( if that keeps us up?)

Simply voiding it not on.

[moondog]

Spire-Power, on 28 March 2020 - 01:45 PM, said:

I'd expect Evo to support a decision to void the season and so minimise the risk of infection spreading.

Making a decision to promote or relegate on points per game would achieve that though

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 28 March 2020 - 01:53 PM, said:

Making a decision to promote or relegate on points per game would achieve that though

Has anyone done such calculations?

If not, I'm sure it'd be the perfect filler for a football free afternoon...

[Westbars Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 March 2020 - 01:56 PM, said:

Has anyone done such calculations?

If not, I'm sure it'd be the perfect filler for a football free afternoon...

I've seen one. Ebbsfleet go down.

[Tha Knows...]

moondog, on 28 March 2020 - 01:53 PM, said:

Making a decision to promote or relegate on points per game would achieve that though

That isn't voiding the season it's cancelling remaining games, in effect predicting the outcome of remaining games. It is more likely to lead to legal challenges than scrapping the whole season imo.