[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 12 October 2019 - 05:08 AM, said:

I'd describe it as a stabilizing block of cash to enable seamless trading, underpinning all the other income streams. It's difficult to remember details and I'd be interested to know if anybody has kept minutes.

Ah ok, an overdraft facility as such.



Similar would be needed but with an extra zero added on

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 11 October 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

Jobs have been cut and volunteers have come forward and if they can get folks to do jobs for free then it all cuts costs and helps to try and make us sustainable. I suspect volunteering will be acceptable with new owners

There're volunteers and there're volunteers though, 'Ern'.

Some just quietly get on with what're often thankless tasks whilst others court attention, applause or authority.

No matter how self awarded it might be.

A quick glance at social media - or perhaps the top table at AGM's - will tell you which is which...

[h again]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 12 October 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

There're volunteers and there're volunteers though, 'Ern'.

Some just quietly get on with what're often thankless tasks whilst others court attention, applause or authority.

No matter how self awarded it might be.

A quick glance at social media - or perhaps the top table at AGM's - will tell you which is which...

Does it matter, if they're helping the club? Before questioning peoples motives it's always a good idea to examine your own closely and honestly.

[Mr Mercury]

h again, on 12 October 2019 - 11:15 AM, said:

Does it matter, if they're helping the club? Before questioning peoples motives it's always a good idea to examine your own closely and honestly.

Another attempt at trolling a particular poster?

[h again]

Mr Mercury, on 12 October 2019 - 11:16 AM, said:

Another attempt at trolling a particular poster?

No, a post in defence of people who give up their time to help out the club, and have been rewarded on here with allegations that the club is behaving in an underhand way to get something for nothing.
Your vigilante efforts would be better used in picking up such nonsense when it appears.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

h again, on 12 October 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

No, a post in defence of people who give up their time to help out the club, and have been rewarded on here with allegations that the club is behaving in an underhand way to get something for nothing.
Your vigilante efforts would be better used in picking up such nonsense when it appears.

I assume you're referring to post #10 of the 'Eastleigh Highlights' topic where a contributor called 'Spartan141' told us the match video, which several including yourself criticised, was produced by volunteers: http://www.thecfss.c...showtopic=65825

So given CFC charges a fee for such coverage whilst employing both a media manager and IT provider - who was also awarded an Ass' D' position after bypassing the recognised selection process - your term 'underhand' does seem appropriate.

Though please acknowledge the accusation is levelled at the Club and not those volunteering as your reply, perhaps intentionally, suggests otherwise.

As for people giving up their time for Town, I'm more than happy to take part in a non personal, evidence based discussion about my, your, or anyone else's assistance and the motives for doing so (for the record I've never gone public with any of mine).

On the other hand you might add to the theme of this thread by contrasting all the statements from folk boycotting because of Boardroom behaviour with your repeated claims no one's doing so...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 12 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on 12 October 2019 - 11:15 AM, said:

Does it matter, if they're helping the club? Before questioning peoples motives it's always a good idea to examine your own closely and honestly.

I’d say that’s advice you ought to take yourself, before targeting and trolling anyone else.

h again, on 12 October 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

No, a post in defence of people who give up their time to help out the club, and have been rewarded on here with allegations that the club is behaving in an underhand way to get something for nothing.
Your vigilante efforts would be better used in picking up such nonsense when it appears.

Found the money yet?

[jack'smyboy]

h again, on 12 October 2019 - 11:15 AM, said:

Does it matter, if they're helping the club? Before questioning peoples motives it's always a good idea to examine your own closely and honestly.

Yes, it ruddy does!

Everytime I've volunteered I've done so alongside people who were there for the wrong reasons. Ultimately they are not 'helping the club'!

One of my kid's sports club has been the worst. Ex-chair pushing out folk in favour of his own child then, aided by another, arranging for that role to become paid not voluntary. Ex-Treasurer, sticky fingers. Parent hangers-on so they can get up the coaches backside in the hopes of it making their children progress to the next level, even when the kid wants out.

We've lost members and money because of the above, you make the comparison.

[Westbars Spireite]

Give over with your real life experience.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 12 October 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

There're volunteers and there're volunteers though, 'Ern'.

Some just quietly get on with what're often thankless tasks whilst others court attention, applause or authority.

No matter how self awarded it might be.

A quick glance at social media - or perhaps the top table at AGM's - will tell you which is which...

Chris, we’ve had meltdown on here when the club have advertised for volunteers, prior to any applications and hence before anyone can posture on social media. We’ve screamed about wasting money and when efforts have been made. Albeit for small amounts of money, people have still complained and said bigger savings and picture should be looked at. It’s likely that any consortium will heavily rely on volunteers but then it will be ok.

As you know I’m no Carson fan but it will be hypocritical if people start saying the opposite thing just cos it isn’t the current incumbents. They are either aid jobs or they are not

[Phil V 72]

jack, on 12 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

Yes, it ruddy does!

Everytime I've volunteered I've done so alongside people who were there for the wrong reasons. Ultimately they are not 'helping the club'!

One of my kid's sports club has been the worst. Ex-chair pushing out folk in favour of his own child then, aided by another, arranging for that role to become paid not voluntary. Ex-Treasurer, sticky fingers. Parent hangers-on so they can get up the coaches backside in the hopes of it making their children progress to the next level, even when the kid wants out.

We've lost members and money because of the above, you make the comparison.

I think there’s a good chance that volunteers will become very important to a new owner’s ability to successfully run the club at least in the early days. In that case, it’s pretty much a given that the ‘hangers on’ and the ‘usual suspects’ I’ve heard mentioned from time to time will inevitably become involved. As supporters I suppose we may have to put up with a bit of this for ‘the greater good’ but if the vast majority of volunteers aren’t like that then their effect and influence may be diminished.

Any potential new owner has to build bridges, the fans need to do the same and maybe some old rivalries and personality clashes can be put aside for a period. Maybe a new owner should set out something like a volunteers charter - ie, volunteers welcome but no favours, no freebies, no preferential treatment. Volunteers definitely need to feel welcome and confident that there isn’t going to be a hierarchy of volunteers. I dunno, just a few things to think about.

[Blue5]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 October 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

Chris, we’ve had meltdown on here when the club have advertised for volunteers, prior to any applications and hence before anyone can posture on social media. We’ve screamed about wasting money and when efforts have been made. Albeit for small amounts of money, people have still complained and said bigger savings and picture should be looked at. It’s likely that any consortium will heavily rely on volunteers but then it will be ok.

As you know I’m no Carson fan but it will be hypocritical if people start saying the opposite thing just cos it isn’t the current incumbents. They are either aid jobs or they are not

If people want to volunteer their time, that is great. Going forward, if the club want to rely heavily on volunteers then in order for it to be successful it needs to cut its cloth accordingly when it comes to football related salaries and benefits.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 October 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

Chris, we’ve had meltdown on here when the club have advertised for volunteers, prior to any applications and hence before anyone can posture on social media. We’ve screamed about wasting money and when efforts have been made. Albeit for small amounts of money, people have still complained and said bigger savings and picture should be looked at. It’s likely that any consortium will heavily rely on volunteers but then it will be ok.

As you know I’m no Carson fan but it will be hypocritical if people start saying the opposite thing just cos it isn’t the current incumbents. They are either aid jobs or they are not

I accept your point and I'm not making a blanket criticism of everyone who gets involved.

Some very qualified and capable people applied to be Ass' D's just as others quietly do their bit.

But surely the hypocrisy cuts both ways - a club alienating fans with crass or confrontational PR then appealing for aid? A club where cronyism is rife? A club where charlatans and sycophants enjoy licence yet honest folk are axed?

It reminds me of that supporters club meeting where season ticket holders and/or lifelong fans were barred because they might ask Norton Lea awkward questions...only for the same supporters club to call for unity when he delivered chaos.

I'll happily help those who deserve it - though they're few and far between at the Proact.

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 13 October 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

I accept your point and I'm not making a blanket criticism of everyone who gets involved.

Some very qualified and capable people applied to be Ass' D's just as others quietly do their bit.

But surely the hypocrisy cuts both ways - a club alienating fans with crass or confrontational PR then appealing for aid? A club where cronyism is rife? A club where charlatans and sycophants enjoy licence yet honest folk are axed?

It reminds me of that supporters club meeting where season ticket holders and/or lifelong fans were barred because they might ask Norton Lea awkward questions...only for the same supporters club to call for unity when he delivered chaos.

I'll happily help those who deserve it - though they're few and far between at the Proact.

The desire and commitment to volunteering is surely directly related to the example set by our leaders. Leadership measured in philanthropy, help, enthusiasm, respect, commitment, delegation.

Bugggering off car racing on transfer deadline day is perhaps not an ideal example to set. Who would have been happy volunteering on that day? Jeff Hall deserves a big medal. He has reconciled his situation by not giving a XXXX who is in charge.

[jack'smyboy]

Phil V 72, on 12 October 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

I think there’s a good chance that volunteers will become very important to a new owner’s ability to successfully run the club at least in the early days. In that case, it’s pretty much a given that the ‘hangers on’ and the ‘usual suspects’ I’ve heard mentioned from time to time will inevitably become involved. As supporters I suppose we may have to put up with a bit of this for ‘the greater good’ but if the vast majority of volunteers aren’t like that then their effect and influence may be diminished.

Any potential new owner has to build bridges, the fans need to do the same and maybe some old rivalries and personality clashes can be put aside for a period. Maybe a new owner should set out something like a volunteers charter - ie, volunteers welcome but no favours, no freebies, no preferential treatment. Volunteers definitely need to feel welcome and confident that there isn’t going to be a hierarchy of volunteers. I dunno, just a few things to think about.

Can't argue with any of that. Not being treated like a two-hat whilst I'm volunteering would be enough for me (My eldest's sport deserves me about as much as Allen and Carson at the moment). Only reward I want from new owners is the pure joy that promotion to the football league will bring me!

[Nitrous Oxide]

Hope someone is beavering away on this project. It's all gone very quiet. Hopefully no news, is good news.

[Mr Mercury]

Nitrous Oxide, on 24 October 2019 - 06:10 AM, said:

Hope someone is beavering away on this project. It's all gone very quiet. Hopefully no news, is good news.

Fingers crossed that at last things are being done in a professional manner with an owner genuinely wanting to sell and buyers willing to enter sensible negotiations to buy and take the club forward with the best intentions, thus we're avoiding leaks and "tyre kicker" accusations.

[Dougspireite78]

After what came out straight after about bean going and Carson being back in charge I can't help but feel it was just a distraction teqnique because most hate Carson but there wasn't a big uproar when it happened. Call me synical and all that but I hope it is true.

After what came out straight after about bean going and Carson being back in charge I can't help but feel it was just a distraction teqnique because most hate Carson but there wasn't a big uproar when it happened. Call me synical and all that but I hope it is true.

After what came out straight after about bean going and Carson being back in charge I can't help but feel it was just a distraction teqnique because most hate Carson but there wasn't a big uproar when it happened. Call me synical and all that but I hope it is true.

After what came out straight after about bean going and Carson being back in charge I can't help but feel it was just a distraction teqnique because most hate Carson but there wasn't a big uproar when it happened. Call me synical and all that but I hope it is true.

[Andy Spireite]

Given it came from Phil I can only assume there is/was genuine interest. I think the old adage that no news is good news is applicable here, I’m sure AC and DA would revel in telling us that the potential investors were tyre kickers had things fallen apart.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Patience needed by all