[dalekpete]

sophocles, on 19 June 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

Agreed, defender was going for the ball, slowmo made it look as if she chopped the striker down. By the way, I've never seen a more extreme example of a 'homer' ref than the one in the France game who let them have another go at the missed penalty because VAR showed the keeper's toe moved two cm ahead of the line. How many refs ever bother with that unless it's absolutely blatant?

The new "clarification" only came in on 1 June: "The goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on/in line with the goal line when the kick is taken; cannot stand behind the line."

The caution rule was introduced last year and resulted in a sending-off during a penalty shoot-out at the Proact during the U17 Euros.

[sophocles]

dalekpete, on 19 June 2019 - 10:31 AM, said:

The new "clarification" only came in on 1 June: "The goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on/in line with the goal line when the kick is taken; cannot stand behind the line."

The caution rule was introduced last year and resulted in a sending-off during a penalty shoot-out at the Proact during the U17 Euros.

I wonder how many keepers have since got away with a minor infringement because VAR hasn't bern there to detect it?

[mr. smith]

sophocles, on 19 June 2019 - 12:25 PM, said:

I wonder how many keepers have since got away with a minor infringement because VAR hasn't bern there to detect it?

Scotland v argentina.
how is a keeper ever expected to save a penalty?
another ref out of her depth.

[kopblue]

mr. smith, on 19 June 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

Scotland v argentina.
how is a keeper ever expected to save a penalty?
another ref out of her depth.

Correctly retaken under the law

[Siberian Spireite]

mr. smith, on 19 June 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

Scotland v argentina.
how is a keeper ever expected to save a penalty?
another ref out of her depth.

Why no injury time afterwards, too? The ref was North Korean- perhaps she called her Dear Leader for guidance?

[mr. smith]

kopblue, on 19 June 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

Correctly retaken under the law

yes it was & the law is an ass.
you cant stand behind the line & move forward, you cant move along the line.
& you get a yellow card for any infringement.
how is the keeper going to get any momentum to make a save?

refs buckle under var pressure. once they come over to view the screen they go along with overseers decision.
6,7,8mins wasted on the var pen decisions & then match finishes on 95.

[60s 70s Spireite]

mr. smith, on 19 June 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

yes it was & the law is an ass.
you cant stand behind the line & move forward, you cant move along the line.
& you get a yellow card for any infringement.
how is the keeper going to get any momentum to make a save?

refs buckle under var pressure. once they come over to view the screen they go along with overseers decision.
6,7,8mins wasted on the var pen decisions & then match finishes on 95.

The law is an ass. But I think the keeper can move along the line, so long he has one foot on or behind the line.

[sophocles]

kopblue, on 19 June 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

Correctly retaken under the law

Even with the law and VAR, that is arguable - I'm not 100% sure the keeper's foot left the line before the striker's foot connected with the ball, and even if it did, that fraction of a second action was undetectable by human eyesight. VAR will rob the game of every scrap of excitement and immediacy and spontaneity, and will eventually turn people away from football because they will get totally fed up with nor being able to believe what they are seeing with their own eyes, and not being able to trust their immediate emotional response to goals etc because they have to just sit and wait for technology to tell them how to react. VAR is complete and utter nonsense and must be scrapped immediately before fans lose interest in the game of football.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Agree we seem to've entered an era of petty pedantry with VAR, but the Scots aren't coming home because of that.

They're coming home because they blew a three goal lead after losing their previous two games.

Some of their fans talking of 'robbery' and how their team have 'done us proud' this morning ought to remember that...

[60s 70s Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 19 June 2019 - 09:31 PM, said:

The law is an ass. But I think the keeper can move along the line, so long he has one foot on or behind the line.

Edited.
The keeper can move along the line so long he has one foot touching or in line with the goal line.

[mr. smith]

60s 70s Spireite, on 20 June 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

Edited.
The keeper can move along the line so long he has one foot touching or in line with the goal line.

fair enough, but in these days of var how do you move along the line & ensure you have one foot touching the goal line?

[60s 70s Spireite]

mr. smith, on 20 June 2019 - 06:48 AM, said:

fair enough, but in these days of var how do you move along the line & ensure you have one foot touching the goal line?

They don’t have to be touching the goal line, just in line with it.

[dim view]

sophocles, on 19 June 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

Even with the law and VAR, that is arguable - I'm not 100% sure the keeper's foot left the line before the striker's foot connected with the ball, and even if it did, that fraction of a second action was undetectable by human eyesight. VAR will rob the game of every scrap of excitement and immediacy and spontaneity, and will eventually turn people away from football because they will get totally fed up with nor being able to believe what they are seeing with their own eyes, and not being able to trust their immediate emotional response to goals etc because they have to just sit and wait for technology to tell them how to react. VAR is complete and utter nonsense and must be scrapped immediately before fans lose interest in the game of football.

Good point.

Without being overdramatic, this could end in tears with a lawsuit when the goalie honestly believes he/she did not break the rules but VAR argues different. Two people can have different perspectives of the same incident (Einstein).

But surely the biggest problem with this is that games will have different results depending on whether VAR is in use, so the fundamental and ancient commandment of all games being played under the same rules is broken. We will observe controversial incidents next season at the Proact and then on MOTD, which will be identical but which will have different outcomes.

This post has been edited by dim view: 20 June 2019 - 07:17 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 20 June 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

But surely the biggest problem with this is that games will have different results depending on whether VAR is in use, so the fundamental and ancient commandment of all games being played under the same rules is broken. We will observe controversial incidents next season at the Proact and then on MOTD, which will be identical but which will have different outcomes.

Indeed. Which we have already witnessed with goal line technology.

[Town_Fan]

The latest incident that has seen Scotland removed from the tournament early is a victory for feminism. It means that the Scottish women are equal with their male counterparts.

[clarevoyant.]

Town_Fan, on 20 June 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

The latest incident that has seen Scotland removed from the tournament early is a victory for feminism. It means that the Scottish women are equal with their male counterparts.

Very good

Credit has to be given to the VAR operatives to have the "eye", technical ability to judge whether someones foot is microns (thou's old money(Fish)) off of the goal line or in an offside position is great for the game (sarcasm) it's just a pity the fookers can't operate a stop watch.

[sophocles]

MDCCCLXVI, on 20 June 2019 - 05:40 AM, said:

Agree we seem to've entered an era of petty pedantry with VAR, but the Scots aren't coming home because of that.

They're coming home because they blew a three goal lead after losing their previous two games.

Some of their fans talking of 'robbery' and how their team have 'done us proud' this morning ought to remember that...

I agree completely; it should never have come down to a one-goal deficit after being 3-0 up. The Scots have only themselves to blame for letting it slip.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

To be fair, if keepers had followed the initial rule of not moving before the ball was kicked years ago, this rule wouldn't have needed to come about.

If the Scottish keeper had stood still on the line like asked for the second penalty, she would have saved that, however, the question is, Is VAR destroying the game, or the buffoons that are overseeing it?

My idea is that VAR could be great for the game, however, its not being used as it should and not being interpreted correctly.

What amazed me, was, it takes ages to reach a decision on if their is a penalty, with numerous angles and reviews of the situation, but the decision was pretty much made instantly on fractions of millimetres to decide if her foot was off the line and very poor reply angles. If they are to do this then there needs to be a camera directly across the line that can be linked to when the ball is kicked.

I will say though, it really did annoy me last night and I did say the whole incident is spoiling the game. I wasn't impressed at all.

Plus what the hell is this rule about, if a foul is committed outside of the box but then continues into the box, its a penalty? What a load of hogwash, you'll just have people continuing as far as they can into the box for a penalty. FIFA certainly know how to **** things up.

[Nerima Spireite]

sophocles, on 19 June 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

Even with the law and VAR, that is arguable - I'm not 100% sure the keeper's foot left the line before the striker's foot connected with the ball, and even if it did, that fraction of a second action was undetectable by human eyesight. VAR will rob the game of every scrap of excitement and immediacy and spontaneity, and will eventually turn people away from football because they will get totally fed up with nor being able to believe what they are seeing with their own eyes, and not being able to trust their immediate emotional response to goals etc because they have to just sit and wait for technology to tell them how to react. VAR is complete and utter nonsense and must be scrapped immediately before fans lose interest in the game of football.

Fully agreed.

dim view, on 20 June 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

Good point.

Without being overdramatic, this could end in tears with a lawsuit when the goalie honestly believes he/she did not break the rules but VAR argues different. Two people can have different perspectives of the same incident (Einstein).

But surely the biggest problem with this is that games will have different results depending on whether VAR is in use, so the fundamental and ancient commandment of all games being played under the same rules is broken. We will observe controversial incidents next season at the Proact and then on MOTD, which will be identical but which will have different outcomes.

Great points. Nice use of Einstein

Town_Fan, on 20 June 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

The latest incident that has seen Scotland removed from the tournament early is a victory for feminism. It means that the Scottish women are equal with their male counterparts.

Brilliant!

[Sammy Spireite]

VAR won't be used in the Premier League this season to determine if a keeper leaves his line before a penalty kick is taken, or not.

https://www.bbc.com/...otball/48703852

How can some rules be more important to uphold than others?!