[JonB]

DIFH, on 08 January 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

Aren't they a fan owned club.

They were the club that were originally owned by that plan where folk could buy into it and they all got to vote on what happened but its since changed hands again according to Wikipedia....now 2/3s fans trust and 1/3 to major shareholders so its a mix really.

"On 23 April 2013 it was announced that MyFC's members had voted in favour of handing two thirds of MyFC's shares to the Fleet Trust, a supporters' trust for the club, and the final one third to one of the club's major shareholders (believed to be former club chairman Phil Sonsara)."

[azul]

cfc_scott, on 08 January 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

Theres also a tweet from a ebbsfleet fan to im guessing one of there reporters ( which he has failed to mention) that the chesterfield fans he met, at both home and away games was a great bunch, and then goes on to mention that a ebbsfleet fan was racist toward a chesterfield player. Worth sending that also id say.

Theres still the video out there aswell, which is better to send in that just a screen shot.

I’m not sure what an Ebbsfleet fan using racist language has to do with our issues. What Ashmore’s tweet and his subsequent reaction when he realised it was one of his own fans shows his lack of integrity and an underlying agenda

[Valley Blues]

Having no knowledge as to how the FA would investigate such an allegation as the one being made by this half wit, what is the burden of proof they work to?
In light of the fact that Ashmore has managed to bring his own honesty and transparency in to question, surely without someone who can independently corroborate his allegation of racism, they cannot rule in his favour.

[clarevoyant.]

azul, on 08 January 2019 - 04:07 PM, said:

I’m not sure what an Ebbsfleet fan using racist language has to do with our issues. What Ashmore’s tweet and his subsequent reaction when he realised it was one of his own fans shows his lack of integrity and an underlying agenda

Bludy hell I find myself agreeing with you again, must be an age thing.

Our and footballs beef should be with Ashmore and the people pulling his strings.

And our idiots of course.

[DIFH]

Best of luck Mr Ashmore - Fleet v Orient this Saturday.

[JonB]

Spire_78, on 07 January 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

Anyone 'inciting hatred and/or making malicious communications to the detriment of the club' will receive a three-year ban.

Related to his....Brighton fan banned for 5 games for comments made online....

https://www.bbc.co.u...otball/46807269

[oldgoat]

I see that the first 3 rows in the south stand are not on sale for the Barrow match , a bit pointless in stopping encroachment unless the stewards stop people standing in front of them which they don't seem capable of doing on past evidence .

[Looker-on]

JonB, on 09 January 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:

Related to his....Brighton fan banned for 5 games for comments made online....

https://www.bbc.co.u...otball/46807269

Interesting that Brighton's "club rules" appear to extend over what their fans can and can't say on twitter.

[azul]

Looker-on, on 09 January 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

Interesting that Brighton's "club rules" appear to extend over what their fans can and can't say on twitter.

And so it should

One voice on Twitter can do more damage than one voice in 4000 on a match day

[boot]

oldgoat, on 09 January 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

I see that the first 3 rows in the south stand are not on sale for the Barrow match , a bit pointless in stopping encroachment unless the stewards stop people standing in front of them which they don't seem capable of doing on past evidence .

Correct.

Are any pitches as easy as ours to enter from behind the goals ? The barrier fence is easy to jump or you can get through gaps that don't have gates. It shouldn't, be that difficult to create more security by making access more difficult from the North and South stands where trouble is most likely to come from.

[JonB]

boot, on 09 January 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

Correct.

Are any pitches as easy as ours to enter from behind the goals ? The barrier fence is easy to jump or you can get through gaps that don't have gates. It shouldn't, be that difficult to create more security by making access more difficult from the North and South stands where trouble is most likely to come from.

Design wise it’ll be no different to most new builds as I suspect it needs easy access to the pitch in case of emergencies. What’s probably different is how these accesses are manned etc.

This post has been edited by JonB: 09 January 2019 - 06:53 PM

[sophocles]

JonB, on 09 January 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

Design wise it’ll be no different to most new builds as I suspect it needs easy access to the pitch in case of emergencies. What’s probably different is how these accesses are manned etc.

Bearing in mind the arguments about gender stereotyping on another thread, what neutral alternative for 'manned' could we use? 'Peopled' would sound a bit odd, but might avoid offence.

[DIFH]

boot, on 09 January 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

Correct.

Are any pitches as easy as ours to enter from behind the goals ? The barrier fence is easy to jump or you can get through gaps that don't have gates. It shouldn't, be that difficult to create more security by making access more difficult from the North and South stands where trouble is most likely to come from.

Health and safety - direct access onto the pitch in case of emergency.

[dtp]

DIFH, on 09 January 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

Health and safety - direct access onto the pitch in case of emergency.

Trump would have been proud of the wall at Saltergate but it didn't stop fans from getting on the pitch.

[boot]

JonB, on 09 January 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

Design wise it’ll be no different to most new builds as I suspect it needs easy access to the pitch in case of emergencies. What’s probably different is how these accesses are manned etc.

Why isn't it gated access , manned in case of an emergency ? How would that not be safe ? We have fire doors in public buildings in case of emergency not gaping holes in a wall. Pretty sure gates in perimeter at Wembley and at the other end of the spectrum Harrogate seemed to have nothing in the way of access - not that I am advocating Harrogate's apology for a ground as something to copy. This H and S thing works two ways - spectators and players - we are likely to be charged with not ensuring the safety of players. The idea that this applies to new builds and not older grounds cannot possibly be correct - if easy and unrestricted access was required to pitches it would apply to every ground - maybe it does,but if so there are different ways of doing it.

Just to add having now researched it :-

Green Guide - basic duties of stewards - FA, Premier League, Football League etc. 10 basic duties one of which states :-

to staff entrances, exits and other strategic points; for example, segregation, PERIMETER and exit doors or gates which are not continuously secured in the open position whilst the ground is in use.

This post has been edited by boot: 09 January 2019 - 11:34 PM

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

sophocles, on 09 January 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

Bearing in mind the arguments about gender stereotyping on another thread, what neutral alternative for 'manned' could we use? 'Peopled' would sound a bit odd, but might avoid offence.

Patrolled

[SuperJackyLester]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 10 January 2019 - 12:37 AM, said:

Patrolled

Or we just stick to using the word manned.

[Stockholm Spireite]

sophocles, on 09 January 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

Bearing in mind the arguments about gender stereotyping on another thread, what neutral alternative for 'manned' could we use? 'Peopled' would sound a bit odd, but might avoid offence.

Neglected?

[JonB]

boot, on 09 January 2019 - 10:43 PM, said:

Why isn't it gated access , manned in case of an emergency ? How would that not be safe ? We have fire doors in public buildings in case of emergency not gaping holes in a wall. Pretty sure gates in perimeter at Wembley and at the other end of the spectrum Harrogate seemed to have nothing in the way of access - not that I am advocating Harrogate's apology for a ground as something to copy. This H and S thing works two ways - spectators and players - we are likely to be charged with not ensuring the safety of players. The idea that this applies to new builds and not older grounds cannot possibly be correct - if easy and unrestricted access was required to pitches it would apply to every ground - maybe it does,but if so there are different ways of doing it.

Cant think of many grounds these days where they have gates in the gaps, the majority are just gaps and the hoardings. I suspect the issue is that we need to "patrol" them much much better.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

SuperJackyLester, on 10 January 2019 - 01:14 AM, said:

Or we just stick to using the word manned.

Don’t get me started on all this pc stuff. I’ve been told off for using terms like black eyes and black coffee!!

I was informed I had to use the term bruised eyes and coffee no milk. I left the course after that, the world’s going mad.