[Westbars Spireite]

dtp, on 21 December 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

Try emailing him with a view to meeting with him so that you can ask the question eyeball to eyeball.

I'm sure this is to be sorted before any talk with me can happen. Happy to join in with one of the small groups that he's suggested.

I won't waste his valuable time one to one unless he needs me for something which is unlikely; wetting I don't kid myself that I am important.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 21 December 2018 - 09:38 PM

[Jack Lester's Cast]

dim view, on 21 December 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Ta

Off the top of my head, some things I would have liked clarified from the start include...

Is he empowered to look at historical accounts?

Is he paid commission on player sales?

What will he do with his notes?

Will he ensure that proper due diligence is applied to any potential buyers?

Has Paul decided against taking those threats further?

Need not worry Dim, Carson has got thorough due diligence in place, he mentioned this to the Congolese consortium.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 21 December 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

We didn't ask about the first two

The notes only consisted of a few bullet points.

Yes he fully intends to vet potential buyers, has a good contact to call on with recent experience of selling a club.

I think Paul has drawn a line under that issue

Maybe you could ask GB if he'll repeal Carson's ban on the Chinese representatives and meet them.

No one could blame them for being long gone given the pigeon fancier's comments, but surely even a tentative call would be a starting point...

[moondog]

MDCCCLXVI, on 22 December 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Maybe you could ask GB if he'll repeal Carson's ban on the Chinese representatives and meet them.

No one could blame them for being long gone given the pigeon fancier's comments, but surely even a tentative call would be a starting point...

I did raise that deal and how it collapsed and that John Croot brought them to the table, I'd like to think he'd have a word with John about it.

[dim view]

moondog, on 21 December 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

We didn't ask about the first two

The notes only consisted of a few bullet points.

Yes he fully intends to vet potential buyers, has a good contact to call on with recent experience of selling a club.

I think Paul has drawn a line under that issue

Calling a spade a shovel then, I think this is a simple scenario and we need a direct answer to the following question...

Is Bean empowered to comment/investigate historical issues or not?

If the answer is 'no' then there's little point in us harping on about 'em and booking an appointment.

[dtp]

dim view, on 22 December 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

Calling a spade a shovel then, I think this is a simple scenario and we need a direct answer to the following question...

Is Bean empowered to comment/investigate historical issues or not?

If the answer is 'no' then there's little point in us harping on about 'em and booking an appointment.

I'd prefer it if he was empowered to attract and meet with potential suitors interested in taking up ownership and moving the club forward.

[dim view]

dtp, on 22 December 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

I'd prefer it if he was empowered to attract and meet with potential suitors interested in taking up ownership and moving the club forward.

So would I, so he needs to come out and say so. It's a fact that if he did decide to investigate the past then he'd be compromised within hours. Carson knows it. We know it. He knows it. Let's just have it out in the open.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 22 December 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

So would I, so he needs to come out and say so. It's a fact that if he did decide to investigate the past then he'd be compromised within hours. Carson knows it. We know it. He knows it. Let's just have it out in the open.

You could argue he was compromised the monent he took the job.

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[dtp]

dim view, on 22 December 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

So would I, so he needs to come out and say so. It's a fact that if he did decide to investigate the past then he'd be compromised within hours. Carson knows it. We know it. He knows it. Let's just have it out in the open.

It will not be in his remit to investigate the past.

As upsetting and painful as the past has been it is that - the past.

The future is what will make our club great again and no amount of delving into the whys and wherefores will achieve that.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

dtp, on 22 December 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

It will not be in his remit to investigate the past.

As upsetting and painful as the past has been it is that - the past.

The future is what will make our club great again and no amount of delving into the whys and wherefores will achieve that.

Makes you wonder why they've hired an ex-investigator then?

He doesn't need to build bridges if Allen wants to sell. The bridge will be rebuilt immediately on his and his cronies departure.

Smells like more smoke and mirrors b******s to me.

[Blue5]

dtp, on 22 December 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

It will not be in his remit to investigate the past.

As upsetting and painful as the past has been it is that - the past.

The future is what will make our club great again and no amount of delving into the whys and wherefores will achieve that.

If the new CEO does not research and understand the reasons for the club's demise he will stand absolutely no chance of shaping our future because no matter how hard he tries, no matter how much effort he puts in, the undercurrent will be ten times stronger than his contribution if it is not addressed.

[Johnnyspireite7]

dtp, on 22 December 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

It will not be in his remit to investigate the past.

As upsetting and painful as the past has been it is that - the past.

The future is what will make our club great again and no amount of delving into the whys and wherefores will achieve that.

I've just figured out what the dt in your screen name stands for.

Stop burying your head in the sand and realise that until we've got Carcrash exposed for the scumbag that he is to all and sundry (there as still some that think the sun shines out of his posterior) that we can't make the club 'great' again until he has been erased from our club.

[moondog]

dim view, on 22 December 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

Calling a spade a shovel then, I think this is a simple scenario and we need a direct answer to the following question...

Is Bean empowered to comment/investigate historical issues or not?

If the answer is 'no' then there's little point in us harping on about 'em and booking an appointment.

I don't know and I expect he doesn't yet

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

moondog, on 22 December 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

I don't know and I expect he doesn't yet

Must be interesting applying for a job at CFC.

Hi Ashley. Know owt about running a football club?

No.

You're hired.

Hi Graham. Fancy a job?

Yeah. Doing what?

We'll tell you later. You're hired.

[jack bauer]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 22 December 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

Must be interesting applying for a job at CFC.

Hi Ashley. Know owt about running a football club?

No.

You're hired.

Hi Graham. Fancy a job?

Yeah. Doing what?

We'll tell you later. You're hired.

a huge building block in this bridge building scheme would be the club statement from beano saying that AC and CFC have parted company, they can give it all the nice words and thank him for his services etc etc, and whilst the beef for me is with DA who is behind the demise, AC's position is surely untennable and with the appointment of the bean no longer needed.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

jack bauer, on 22 December 2018 - 11:46 PM, said:

a huge building block in this bridge building scheme would be the club statement from beano saying that AC and CFC have parted company, they can give it all the nice words and thank him for his services etc etc, and whilst the beef for me is with DA who is behind the demise, AC's position is surely untennable and with the appointment of the bean no longer needed.

Exactly.

If DA wants to sit quietly in the background, and use his cash to get us in apposition to sell. I could live with it.

But it won't work if he doesn't get people running the club who know how to run a football club. Not sure how Bean fits into this puzzle at all tbh. Don't think he has any experience of running a club.

Sadly, looks like an exercise in fan appeasement to me (it won't work anyway).

[60s 70s Spireite]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 23 December 2018 - 12:15 AM, said:

Exactly.
If DA wants to sit quietly in the background, and use his cash to get us in apposition to sell. I could live with it.
But it won't work if he doesn't get people running the club who know how to run a football club. Not sure how Bean fits into this puzzle at all tbh. Don't think he has any experience of running a club.
Sadly, looks like an exercise in fan appeasement to me (it won't work anyway).

The tale of how Bean was appointed seems to typify everything that’s wrong under the current regime. Meets Ashley under his guise as representative for clubs defending FA charges, hey presto appointed as CEO a few months later.
Had we identified we needed a CEO? (Perhaps we had, but there seemed no hurry to replace the part time Dunford). If so, had we prepared a Job Specification identifying duties and targets? Plus a People Specification, what type of qualities, qualifications, experience and skills were needed by the successful applicant?
And then where were the adverts to be placed and the opportunity to publicised?
It seems every opprtuunity for transparency, and hence a little trust, is spurned and kicked into the long grass.

[moondog]

60s 70s Spireite, on 23 December 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The tale of how Bean was appointed seems to typify everything that’s wrong under the current regime. Meets Ashley under his guise as representative for clubs defending FA charges, hey presto appointed as CEO a few months later.
Had we identified we needed a CEO? (Perhaps we had, but there seemed no hurry to replace the part time Dunford). If so, had we prepared a Job Specification identifying duties and targets? Plus a People Specification, what type of qualities, qualifications, experience and skills were needed by the successful applicant?
And then where were the adverts to be placed and the opportunity to publicised?
It seems every opprtuunity for transparency, and hence a little trust, is spurned and kicked into the long grass.

Good points and I beleive the answer is no, as Graham got the call because AC had come to the conclusion that he would never be accepted by the fans. It was only August following the departure of Micheal Dunford (appointed in a similar manner like Chris Turner was before him) that the new club structure without a CEO was announced.

It's rather ironic that two Associate Directors coming in at no cost to the club had person specs and faced what the club told was us a lengthy interview process yet the CEO is appointed on a whim

[Lincs Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 23 December 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The tale of how Bean was appointed seems to typify everything that’s wrong under the current regime. Meets Ashley under his guise as representative for clubs defending FA charges, hey presto appointed as CEO a few months later.
Had we identified we needed a CEO? (Perhaps we had, but there seemed no hurry to replace the part time Dunford). If so, had we prepared a Job Specification identifying duties and targets? Plus a People Specification, what type of qualities, qualifications, experience and skills were needed by the successful applicant?
And then where were the adverts to be placed and the opportunity to publicised?
It seems every opprtuunity for transparency, and hence a little trust, is spurned and kicked into the long grass.

Always has been and always will be ' jobs for mates '

[Cactoise]

Why didn't we advertise and get the best man for the job?