[The Earl of Chesterfield]

I don't think there has been any real plan.

Sure there was at first, one still pursued when Cook replaced Sheridan. But then I think it was just a case of an arrogant old man refusing to admit being wrong, surrounding himself with folk who wouldn't challenge that opinion - to the point of forcing out those that might, then buying their fan-blaming excuses as they continued sending his money down the pan.

Or into their bank accounts, some might suggest.

Daft thing is if he'd only listened to what 'BB' members were saying three, possibly four years ago things coulda been so much different...

[Blue5]

azul, on 27 May 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

So I'll ask the question that others have asked before (without credible answer)

Why engineer (deliberately) our demise?

I suppose the question could be asked has the club been run in such a way to indicate the owner dislikes putting his hand in his pocket to finance it?

[azul]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 May 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

I don't think there has been any real plan.

Sure there was at first, one still pursued when Cook replaced Sheridan. But then I think it was just a case of an arrogant old man refusing to admit being wrong, surrounding himself with folk who wouldn't challenge that opinion - to the point of forcing out those that might, then buying their fan-blaming excuses as they continued sending his money down the pan.

Or into their bank accounts, some might suggest.

Daft thing is if he'd only listened to what 'BB' members were saying three, possibly four years ago things coulda been so much different...

Totally agree - I've come to the conclusion it is just all down to a deceitful pig igonorant Yorkshireman thinking he knows best and ignoring the facts, the major fact being that he is clueless in football matters and judging peoples characters

But I wish people who hold the conspiracy theories actually back it up with some believable conspiracies

[valemadness]

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer bloody mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

valemadness, on 27 May 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer B****Y mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

No underhand dealings?

Well I've no evidence to support my view - other than the FA investigations and other proven corruption - but it just seems to me that when ever this crew have a choice to do things the right or the wrong way it's always the wrong way.

Infact the sneaky, snidey and yeah, underhand way.

Otherwise why is every exit reported alongside stories of non-disclosure agreements?

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 27 May 2018 - 04:44 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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So I'll ask the question that others have asked before (without credible answer)

Why engineer (deliberately) our demise?

Same answer I gave before. On several occasions Azul.

A spiteful old man. See how you get on without me then, if you lot know best. Engineered to hamper anyone trying to “get on without him”

[warfey is a spireite]

I don’t like mondays, on 27 May 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

Same answer I gave before. On several occasions Azul.

A spiteful old man. See how you get on without me then, if you lot know best. Engineered to hamper anyone trying to “get on without him”

He's hated by so many fans

[Wooden Spoon]

warfey is a spireite said:

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He's hated by so many fans

Indeed he is, but I doubt that bothers him

[azul]

I don’t like mondays, on 27 May 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

Same answer I gave before. On several occasions Azul.

A spiteful old man. See how you get on without me then, if you lot know best. Engineered to hamper anyone trying to “get on without him”

There’s no doubt about that but hardly a reason to engineer failure, that’s more a response to his own failure and the associated criticism it brought.

Looks like we have all given up trying to work out his “end game’, me included, there just isn’t one.

[Mr Mercury]

valemadness, on 27 May 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer B****Y mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

No underhand dealings?.....rigggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttt,

[Wooden Spoon]

azul, on 28 May 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

Looks like we have all given up trying to work out his “end game’, me included, there just isn’t one.

Agreed

valemadness, on 27 May 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer B****Y mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

Have you read the very big thread?

[Blue5]

azul, on 28 May 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

There’s no doubt about that but hardly a reason to engineer failure, that’s more a response to his own failure and the associated criticism it brought.

Looks like we have all given up trying to work out his “end game’, me included, there just isn’t one.

Has the game been about a slick, efficient and professional business which has ensured profitability and debt reduction?

For such a prickly character it surprises me why David has tolerated continued failure at Chesterfield when it comes to the numbers.

Regardless of what the end game is, I think we can all agree that a well run business would have resulted in less of a reliance on David Allen and his financing.

[Tha Knows...]

azul, on 28 May 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

There’s no doubt about that but hardly a reason to engineer failure, that’s more a response to his own failure and the associated criticism it brought.

Looks like we have all given up trying to work out his “end game’, me included, there just isn’t one.

He confessed about his end game in an interview recently. It was club back.in L1 and sell to Chinese ..or so he said 😀

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

valemadness, on 27 May 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer B****Y mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

You’re right the laundry isn’t being done it’s all been pushed into a dirty basket in the back of the cupboard. One day it will all come out to be washed and dried in public. We will never get to know half of the shanaagins that’s gone off, we may get to know next to nowt under current ownership but ranks will break somewhere along the line. Someone will say something, somebody doesn’t like and they will respond and all hell will let loose

[Lincs Spireite]

valemadness, on 27 May 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Dave Allen appointed Dean Saunders thinking he would follow up Paul Cook's success. When he didn't and fans grew agitated, he threw his toys out of the pram. He then decided that he'd had enough with this toy and he'd let someone else play with it, cue Ashley Carson.
Getting relegated to the national league has forced Dave Allen to take action so that he doesn't lose all of the money he has put into the club.
There is no great plan, no under hand dealings, no laundry being done, just sheer B****Y mindiness, arrogance and incompetence. It's his way or the high way. Of course this is all my opinion

I agree with nearly every word except for the underhand dealing bit. As is common with several football clubs, shaky deals , jobs for the boys, sly and underhand is common. Why our owner has allowed this to continue to the detriment of the club and his value is a mystery unless he accepts it's part of the nature of football club dealings.

[SALTERGATE]

moondog, on 15 May 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

All the managers fault

Worth it's own thread!


https://audiomack.co...llen-for-online

Dave Allen.....any chance of an update on your latest managerial failure.....on par with your best failure.....Dean Saunders

[Dan Clark]

Martin Allen “He’ll be B****Y successful, I can tell you that” how’d that work out Dave????

[Rudeboy spireite]

Who will pick the next manager ?

[Spire-Heights]

Rudeboy spireite, on 28 December 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

Who will pick the next manager ?

It’s already in place, IMO.

[Westbars Spireite]

Rudeboy spireite, on 28 December 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

Who will pick the next manager ?

Allen and Carson will make the decision. My guess is Bean and Coe will interview and feed up the line for the nod.