[dim view]

s42blue, on 15 October 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Last 7 words.....

Maybe propose a vast rent to a new Phoenix club that they can’t afford?

Eyesore of a crumbling stadium (happening already...) on the prime gateway to chesterfield or “go on then I’ll let you build some houses next to my lovely casino....”. ?

Rounding up, DA is almost an octogenarian. Do you really believe he has such ambitious long term plans?

I'd love to know whether his immediate family is included in his succession planning but if they are like the vast majority of beneficiaries worldwide, they'll accept 20p in the pound for a quick sale 'cos they don't give a monkey's about their dad's pride and joy.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 15 October 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

Rounding up, DA is almost an octogenarian. Do you really believe he has such ambitious long term plans?

I'd love to know whether his immediate family is included in his succession planning but if they are like the vast majority of beneficiaries worldwide, they'll accept 20p in the pound for a quick sale 'cos they don't give a monkey's about their dad's pride and joy.

That's how I see it, and how it will pan out. Although I still envisage the stadium being separated from the football club, whether it's by the Allen family or their successors; unless some true fans can muster the funds to effect a purchase.

[ELTON 2020]

Heart of a Niven, on 15 October 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

I think the reason the fans, as a whole, aren’t rising up in anger against DA is because, away from this board, no one is really aware. They just see a mismanaged club going down the pan and don’t understand what’s actually going on.
We really need a journalist to start digging - Graham at the DT would be a start - to establish exactly what is (or isn’t) happening.
Follow The Money.

Would you like to elaborate in less general terms- it's not clear what's going on , just conjecture.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

That's how I see it, and how it will pan out. Although I still envisage the stadium being separated from the football club, whether it's by the Allen family or their successors; unless some true fans can muster the funds to effect a purchase.

But even that isn't a quality plan.
Ground rent couldn't be too high as there is zero demand from other customers.
The people of Chesterfield would boycott the hospitality.

[Heart of a Niven]

Steve Kendall 1982, on 15 October 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

Would you like to elaborate in less general terms- it's not clear what's going on , just conjecture.

I think you’re clever enough to join the dots, unless of course your motive is to have a BB member get a visit from Barry & Dwayne*

*Other muscle-men for hire are available

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 15 October 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

But even that isn't a quality plan.
Ground rent couldn't be too high as there is zero demand from other customers.
The people of Chesterfield would boycott the hospitality.

I don't see a plan. Just cause and effect.

[Siberian Spireite]

I find it hard to believe we might be being used solely as Ozark FC (apologies for the Netflix reference), but if we are, then the O'Grady signing was a clumsy part of a smokescreen. A casino is surely a much more effective vehicle than a football club.

I'm not sure Allen has that much of a long term plan.

I'd also suggest that his beneficiaries won't simply be happy with 20p in the pound- why would anyone be?

[Heart of a Niven]

Siberian Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe we might be being used solely as Ozark FC (apologies for the Netflix reference), but if we are, then the O'Grady signing was a clumsy part of a smokescreen. A casino is surely a much more effective vehicle than a football club.

I'm not sure Allen has that much of a long term plan.

I'd also suggest that his beneficiaries won't simply be happy with 20p in the pound- why would anyone be?

O’Grady is another patsy. Even if we believe Carson’s claim he is the highest paid player EVER at the club, in telling people that - highly unprofessional at this level however you want to dress it up (he’s not Neymar, for heaven’s sake) - he instantly printed a bullseye on the back of his shirt - if he comes good then he’s a fan favourite and Carson takes the credit. If he fails then then it’s a case of ‘look over there!’ as the crowd turn on him and Carson (and Allen) has another temporary scapegoat.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

A simple summary, the clubs twaddled.

[Westbars Spireite]

Heart of a Niven, on 15 October 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

I think you’re clever enough to join the dots, unless of course your motive is to have a BB member get a visit from Barry & Dwayne*

*Other muscle-men for hire are available

I think we should have a welcoming party arranged for it.

[dim view]

Siberian Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe we might be being used solely as Ozark FC (apologies for the Netflix reference), but if we are, then the O'Grady signing was a clumsy part of a smokescreen. A casino is surely a much more effective vehicle than a football club.

I'm not sure Allen has that much of a long term plan.

I'd also suggest that his beneficiaries won't simply be happy with 20p in the pound- why would anyone be?

As you say, it would never happen at CFC.

Ok, 20% might be an exaggeration. Why do house clearance companies do so well?

[Siberian Spireite]

dim view, on 15 October 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

As you say, it would never happen at CFC.

Ok, 20% might be an exaggeration. Why do house clearance companies do so well?

Because they take away the hassle and heartache of dealing with personal effects at a traumatic time.

The sale of a football club is a different matter, as is the sale of a house- who would just accept 20% of the value of a house that they had just inherited ?

[60s 70s Spireite]

Siberian Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Because they take away the hassle and heartache of dealing with personal effects at a traumatic time.

The sale of a football club is a different matter, as is the sale of a house- who would just accept 20% of the value of a house that they had just inherited ?

Not a house (safe as?) is it? It's a business, a failing one at that, losing hundreds of thousands a year, and only worth what a willing purchaser is happy to pay for it.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

A few opinions.

O'Grady is just another example of Allen's penchant for 'marquee' strikers.

The stadium footprint isn't worth the current debt let alone the four million share purchase.

It was gifted by a developer that I'm sure would have summat to say about Allen then profiting from the asset.

The area is designated as a football stadium in the local plan and it'd be hugely time consuming and expensive to change that.

It'd also be political suicide for any councillors rubber stamping Allen's wishes.

Non-matchday income has plummeted so separating football club from facilities wouldn't pay down the debt much quicker.

Infact it'd result in even more locals boycotting them.

So this owner's left with a virtually bankrupt business that's only gonna gather increasing debt.

There must be a very, very good reason why he doesn't just cut his losses and get out...

[Siberian Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

Not a house (safe as?) is it? It's a business, a failing one at that, losing hundreds of thousands a year, and only worth what a willing purchaser is happy to pay for it.

Fair point. I just hope Allen's successors are indeed keen to wash their hands of the club (and stadium!).

[spireitenag]

MDCCCLXVI, on 15 October 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

A few opinions.

O'Grady is just another example of Allen's penchant for 'marquee' strikers.

The stadium footprint isn't worth the current debt let alone the four million share purchase.

It was gifted by a developer that I'm sure would have summat to say about Allen then profiting from the asset.

The area is designated as a football stadium in the local plan and it'd be hugely time consuming and expensive to change that.

It'd also be political suicide for any councillors rubber stamping Allen's wishes.

Non-matchday income has plummeted so separating football club from facilities wouldn't pay down the debt much quicker.

Infact it'd result in even more locals boycotting them.

So this owner's left with a virtually bankrupt business that's only gonna gather increasing debt.




I suppose there's some Comfort in that (pun intended).

There must be a very, very good reason why he doesn't just cut his losses and get out...

[Mr Mercury]

s42blue, on 14 October 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

I believe mine to be true. Yours is supposition? Genuine Q

I think yours is probably true as well but any genuine buyer would balk at a stupid price, hence the £15m tag

[Blue5]

60s 70s Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

Not a house (safe as?) is it? It's a business, a failing one at that, losing hundreds of thousands a year, and only worth what a willing purchaser is happy to pay for it.

When was it ever about it being a well-run business? A p!ss weak management structure made up of cronies who would fail to understand and challenge Dave's and Ashley's methods.

[dim view]

Siberian Spireite, on 15 October 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Because they take away the hassle and heartache of dealing with personal effects at a traumatic time.

The sale of a football club is a different matter, as is the sale of a house- who would just accept 20% of the value of a house that they had just inherited ?

the 'house' is the Casino empire. The rotting 3 litre Jag in the garage is the football club.

[Bobby Darling]

dim view, on 15 October 2017 - 07:59 AM, said:

Anybody who thinks what is happening is part of a successful long term plan is wrong. Allen is in panic mode. This is pure guesswork but in my opinion the appointment of a CEO - something supporters know should have been done years ago, is a mechanism to a) give Carson a way out and b) find a buyer sharpish.

Totally agree with you.