[60s 70s Spireite]

The Black Triangle, on 01 September 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

You need to let this Hird thing go.

Especially after the Hirdless Bradford reserves debacle.

[Wooden Spoon]

60s 70s Spireite said:

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Especially after the Hirdless Bradford reserves debacle.

It's RPL-Allott again isn't it.

Is Hird the best defender in this division? No I doubt it. Is he the best CB in the squad, probably. Same with Allott back in the day.

I would agree that in terms of wages we could get more bang for buck in L2 so to speak, but to blame him for Wier making a crap pass to someone other than Hird is just mental.

[SpireiteFitzy]

lindave, on 01 September 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

Against Grimsby, Vale and Bradford we played some good football, but not for 90mins.There have been some good signs, not many that we could pull our season around if GC stopped being so stubborn persisting with his boring tactics and sometimes strange team selections. Against Bradford, we played some high tempo stuff pushing forward with pace, but I don't know what happened in the 2nd half.

And therein lies the problem. We played well in patches last season as well, trouble is we don't cause enough punishment in those good patches and when it's our turn to be on the receiving side we are getting steamrolled.....quite literally. Opposition teams literally have a blueprint to our style of play and how to play against it knowing full well he can't and won't mix up his tactics.

We are conceding the same goals;

Set Pieces
Goals from crosses that no players even attempt to close down, giving the crosser an eternity to set up and pick out his man
Goals from midfielders allowed to run the whole length of the pitch whilst no f****r puts a tackle in and giving them an eternity to pick their spot for the shot
Wayward passes giving the striker a clean run through on goal


Anyone can see that despite it been Caldwell's team now, the SAME problems from last season remain and are not getting dealt with, that should set warning lights off instantly. I'd be all for giving him time if he actually fixed some of the problems we have but it's the sad truth that so far he hasnt fixed a damn thing.

[DIFH]

Blue roan lily, on 01 September 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

And he's never endeared himself to us fans. Surely when you become a manager at a new club the priority should be get the fans on side and then take it from there.
He should have learnt from Saunders and done the opposite. When questioned D S would always answer the question of " well Dean your only 3 points of a relegation place "
with " yes but we're only 10 points off a ply off place " !

How would you suggest GC improves then towards the fans.

Ãt the end of the day 3pts is everything, folks don't want to listen to it's and buts.

[Tha Knows...]

SpireiteFitzy, on 02 September 2017 - 12:37 AM, said:

Goals from midfielders allowed to run the whole length of the pitch whilst no f****r puts a tackle in

😃
None of the new signings look on the face of it like they will stop runners from midfield so hopefully the last line of defence has been strengthened enough to keep some goals out!

[dim view]

a kick in the balls, on 01 September 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

It's RPL-Allott again isn't it.

Is Hird the best defender in this division? No I doubt it. Is he the best CB in the squad, probably. Same with Allott back in the day.

I would agree that in terms of wages we could get more bang for buck in L2 so to speak, but to blame him for Wier making a crap pass to someone other than Hird is just mental.

I'd like to drop this now if possible.

I did not blame him for Weir making a crap pass to somebody else, I blamed him for not making himself available to receive a pass, thereby decreasing Weir's options. I came to that conclusion after observing match action and as there is no record of any conversation between the two, I might be wrong. Others may have come to a different conclusion. Bonnyman, for example, thought that Evo should have made himself available for Weir. If you think I'm not allowed this kind of subjective posting, then I'll take that on board.

I'll give Hird my full support when he steps out today.

[Dazspire]

Get then impression GC has lost patience and been let down by senior Pro's, two in particular

He has shown too much faith in them and they have let him and more importantly us down. For me he has 10 games, so 6 more from now. I have seen in patches what his idea of playing attractive winning football is but this is crunch time now. No more excuses he has built a Gary Caldwell team it needs to start delivering and quickly, thoughts of the National League are too horrible to even contemplate.

As much as DA Ashley et al have cocked up you cannot say GC has not been backed this summer. I get the poor start lots of new faces etc and yes SUFC has a rocky start last year until Wilder switched to 3 at the back and then take off. We can only pray for the same. Losing is a culture a habit the Club has had now since Cooky left. Confidence is brittle at best we need wins it is the only thing that breaks the cycle. The players collectively need to grow some. Home truths need telling and team mates pinned against walls if necessary

Last week at half-time we were 12th and two points off the top in the live league table 45 mniutes later bottom and in despair at a collapse no one on here or there really saw coming. We have to dig in and turn this around if the older Pro's are anti GC then sideline them and make it clear who is Boss......COYB's

[Tha Knows...]

If he plays. There might be some changes today. Because you have a negative mindset 're Hird you tend to focus on anything he does wrong not the good stuff when you post. You could pull Evatt to pieces if you wanted to.

[Tha Knows...]

Dazspire, on 02 September 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

Get then impression GC has lost patience and been let down by senior Pro's, two in particular

He has shown too much faith in them and they have let him and more importantly us down. For me he has 10 games, so 6 more from now. I have seen in patches what his idea of playing attractive winning football is but this is crunch time now. No more excuses he has built a Gary Caldwell team it needs to start delivering and quickly, thoughts of the National League are too horrible to even contemplate.

As much as DA Ashley et al have cocked up you cannot say GC has not been backed this summer. I get the poor start lots of new faces etc and yes SUFC has a rocky start last year until Wilder switched to 3 at the back and then take off. We can only pray for the same. Losing is a culture a habit the Club has had now since Cooky left. Confidence is brittle at best we need wins it is the only thing that breaks the cycle. The players collectively need to grow some. Home truths need telling and team mates pinned against walls if necessary

Last week at half-time we were 12th and two points off the top in the live league table 45 mniutes later bottom and in despair at a collapse no one on here or there really saw coming. We have to dig in and turn this around if the older Pro's are anti GC then sideline them and make it clear who is Boss......COYB's

Interesting theory, maybe some truth in it. Who are the 2 you refer to ?

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 02 September 2017 - 07:48 AM, said:

I'd like to drop this now if possible.

I did not blame him for Weir making a crap pass to somebody else, I blamed him for not making himself available to receive a pass, thereby decreasing Weir's options. I came to that conclusion after observing match action and as there is no record of any conversation between the two, I might be wrong. Others may have come to a different conclusion. Bonnyman, for example, thought that Evo should have made himself available for Weir. If you think I'm not allowed this kind of subjective posting, then I'll take that on board.

I'll give Hird my full support when he steps out today.

Fair enough Mr B.

[Dazspire]

Spire-Power, on 02 September 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

Interesting theory, maybe some truth in it. Who are the 2 you refer to ?

Without stating the obvious Evo and Hirdy.

[Tha Knows...]

Thought so but wanted to check 😃

[Dazspire]

Spire-Power, on 02 September 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

Thought so but wanted to check 😃

Several good inside sources which I trust suggest support of GC to his face but not where it matters on the pitch and in the dressing room, if true very naughty. Would have expected better but ....

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 02 September 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:

You could pull Evatt to pieces if you wanted to.

that's very kind of you.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Dazspire, on 02 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

Without stating the obvious Evo and Hirdy.

He'd be a fool to leave both of those out and play two debutants in their place. Can definitely see one of the two being omitted, but I am not going to call it, as to which one. (In the spirit of DV above!)

[danblue]

SpireiteFitzy, on 02 September 2017 - 12:37 AM, said:

And therein lies the problem. We played well in patches last season as well, trouble is we don't cause enough punishment in those good patches and when it's our turn to be on the receiving side we are getting steamrolled.....quite literally. Opposition teams literally have a blueprint to our style of play and how to play against it knowing full well he can't and won't mix up his tactics.

We are conceding the same goals;

Set Pieces
Goals from crosses that no players even attempt to close down, giving the crosser an eternity to set up and pick out his man
Goals from midfielders allowed to run the whole length of the pitch whilst no f****r puts a tackle in and giving them an eternity to pick their spot for the shot
Wayward passes giving the striker a clean run through on goal


Anyone can see that despite it been Caldwell's team now, the SAME problems from last season remain and are not getting dealt with, that should set warning lights off instantly. I'd be all for giving him time if he actually fixed some of the problems we have but it's the sad truth that so far he hasnt fixed a damn thing.

He has just brought some players in to try fix the problem. See how that pans out.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 02 September 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

He'd be a fool to leave both of those out and play two debutants in their place. Can definitely see one of the two being omitted, but I am not going to call it, as to which one. (In the spirit of DV above!)

I'll set out at 2pm a little sceptical. I don't quite understand how 2 magnificent physical specimens who are also quick and aggressive haven't been getting regular football. I think only Diego will start, but I've been wrong before.

What will be interesting is that if they do start, Caldwell must surely temporarily abandon the playing it out from the back tactic, the two not having been coached it and probably not being 100% fit.

I also think there will be a story to tell if Tommy is not selected today.

All in all, an interesting afternoon beckons.

[danblue]

dim view, on 02 September 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

I'll set out at 2pm a little sceptical. I don't quite understand how 2 magnificent physical specimens who are also quick and aggressive haven't been getting regular football. I think only Diego will start, but I've been wrong before.

What will be interesting is that if they do start, Caldwell must surely temporarily abandon the playing it out from the back tactic, the two not having been coached it and probably not being 100% fit.

I also think there will be a story to tell if Tommy is not selected today.

All in all, an interesting afternoon beckons.

Really looking forward to this. I've got a a few scenarios in my head, so will be interesting to see who gets a shirt today.
I think Briggs with start LWB. I have a feeling Jules will be chucked in for Evo. I think Deigo comes on with 30 mins to go.
I think we will win 2-1

[Wooden Spoon]

60s 70s Spireite said:

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He'd be a fool to leave both of those out and play two debutants in their place. Can definitely see one of the two being omitted, but I am not going to call it, as to which one. (In the spirit of DV above!)

He may revert to a back 3, 4 midfield and a front 3 of COG Dennis and Diego. I've a feeling town will win this one.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

We clearly have some very generous members on here.

Gary Caldwell was sacked by Wigan after a truly horrendous run of results and amidst stories of aloof arrogance.

Though such rumours must be balanced by the fact at least two dozen players have agreed to sign for him since.

He then arrived at Town with the remit of keeping us up, putting pen to paper on the understanding he'd be allowed to recruit a number of players to replace those he was being forced to exit.

Though whether the seven that actually arrived were his original targets remains doubtful.

What's beyond doubt, however, is the humiliating performances he and they delivered, the team often being pretty much out of games by half time as opponents sauntered through a stubbornly stuck to formation.

What's also beyond doubt is that six of those January arrivals were soon dropped by the very manager who'd signed them.

We finished bottom of the division winning only two of his nineteen games, a record far worse than the manager he'd replaced.

Caldwell, Eyre (don't go there. Just...don't go there) and Branston remained pugnacious at a subsequent fans forum, though, essentially saying the few positives were down to their approach whilst the many negatives were due to other factors. Long term injuries to Evans and Evatt being two. And anyway, they knew exactly what was needed to get the Club back up and had the contacts to overhaul the squad.

Well the subsequent few months have been far from convincing, it probably being fair to say we beat no one to the signatures of any new faces other than a Chris O'Grady on whom CFC gambled an Ebanks-Blake-esque top dollar.

Meanwhile the squad that was the first back in training has won one, lost five, shipped goals in exactly the same manner as last season and finds itself at the foot of the entire football league.

All of which brings us to today. For all their many faults Carson and Allen have allowed Caldwell to recruit quantity if not necessarily quantity. This is his team, selected by him, playing to his tactics so therefore it's he that should be held responsible. And if the players he's signed have come via Branston rather than his own scouting then more fool him for tolerating such an arrangement.

Chesterfield FC needs to start winning and winning soon. But if not there can be no more excuses.