[calvin plummers socks]

Spire-Power, on 22 July 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

From what I've heard there are some people who buy STs knowing they'll never be able to attend a game, be that for infirmity or living abroad I don't know. They are, nevertheless, supporters of CFC!

Some Germans in the 30's and 40's were ashamed of their leadership.
It made them sick to their stomach.

They were still proud to be German but horrified by how the Country was being run.

[Tha Knows...]

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Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

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Yes

[Tha Knows...]

Misnomer, on 22 July 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

I go when I can get; essentially, I might attend two games then miss five; does that mean my supporter status is defunct for those 5 games?

You're still putting money into the club so you're supporting it.. obviously.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Spire-Power, on 22 July 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Yes

And I promise to leap to my feet, punch the air and shout 'Get In There!!!' should Town score against Grimsby.

Yeah it'll be in an Ingoldmells pub and folk at the Proact (probably) won't hear it.

But I'm still supporting my team...aren't I, 'SP'?

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 22 July 2017 - 11:59 AM

[Tha Knows...]

Good for you mate. You're the best.

[Wooly]

calvin plummers socks, on 22 July 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

Some Germans in the 30's and 40's were ashamed of their leadership.
It made them sick to their stomach.

They were still proud to be German but horrified by how the Country was being run.

Actually the NSDAP ("Nazi) party never had a majority of voters in Germany, and the support they did have at it's height was largely an outcome of economic and social desperation.. The highest percentage of electoral support before Hitler removed the competition was 44%

[calvin plummers socks]

Wooly, on 22 July 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

Actually the NSDAP ("Nazi) party never had a majority of voters in Germany, and the support they did have at it's height was largely an outcome of economic and social desperation.. The highest percentage of electoral support before Hitler removed the competition was 44%

Wasn't wanting a reply from you - you piece of ****

[Spireite-Karl]

BeastMode, on 22 July 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

How would you define supporting a team if your not actually supporting the team?

Can you support your family with no financial input?

What if I wanted to financially support my family (ie kids) and the other half was wazzing it up a wall partying all night in clubs and the money was going anywhere but where it should be?

[Spireite-Karl]

Stockholm Spireite, on 22 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

^^^^This^^^^




Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

The reason I only offer this is because I've offered all sorts of help to the club, but never even had a courtesy response from anyone - and I mean even the work experience kids that might inhabit the office from time to time. You could also add CPS and Misnomer among others to the list of volunteers to the playing side who have been snubbed. There's also been a number of offers to help on the admin side of the club; same result. I'll give you a few examples:

1 - The consortium and bid for the club. Obvious and the most high-profile case.
2 - Scouting services; individual players and opposition teams
3 - Game analysis; feedback for players, planning for coaches, etc.
4 - Coaching; individual player improvement, team play, tactical set-ups, etc.
5 - Loan players. We're talking players who are available from October to March due to the seasonal breaks in Sweden. U.21 internationals who instead went to play on loan in the Netherlands. I offered my furnished house in Chesterfield (unoccupied at the time) for free - just pay the TV license and utility bills and you can take possession. My brother, who is a car enthusiast, had a vehicle in his garage he would let the players use - just pay the insurance and you can take possession.

All of these offers were in place from the time of Paul Cook's tenure. They were repeated when there were changes of manager. Never once has the club even acknowledged the contact I have made. There's only so many times I'll be ignored before I decide to stop offering. And here's the thing that stick in my craw - the offers were genuine and for the benefit of the club only, there was never an angle or anything in it for me. I never tried to usurp or undermine anyone's position, I wanted to add something and help the club achieve greater things. But what perplexes me most is why the offer of free help (from me and anybody else) was ignored and at the same time, those who ignore routinely took aim and shot themselves in foot, and in such public manner.

For that, I have no affinity for anyone who sits in the boardroom and enjoys a position of influence withing the club. I have the utmost respect for the "not a penny more" brigade. I am a kindred spirit and sole member of the "Inte en krona mer" party here in Stockholm. I will still look for the results through the season and hope we win, but I am definitely finished with all other aspects.

Feel free to say my attitude stinks, but I'm a great believer in attitude reflecting leadership.

WOW, just WOW!

[hilly81]

Stockholm Spireite, on 22 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

^^^^This^^^^




Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

The reason I only offer this is because I've offered all sorts of help to the club, but never even had a courtesy response from anyone - and I mean even the work experience kids that might inhabit the office from time to time. You could also add CPS and Misnomer among others to the list of volunteers to the playing side who have been snubbed. There's also been a number of offers to help on the admin side of the club; same result. I'll give you a few examples:

1 - The consortium and bid for the club. Obvious and the most high-profile case.
2 - Scouting services; individual players and opposition teams
3 - Game analysis; feedback for players, planning for coaches, etc.
4 - Coaching; individual player improvement, team play, tactical set-ups, etc.
5 - Loan players. We're talking players who are available from October to March due to the seasonal breaks in Sweden. U.21 internationals who instead went to play on loan in the Netherlands. I offered my furnished house in Chesterfield (unoccupied at the time) for free - just pay the TV license and utility bills and you can take possession. My brother, who is a car enthusiast, had a vehicle in his garage he would let the players use - just pay the insurance and you can take possession.

All of these offers were in place from the time of Paul Cook's tenure. They were repeated when there were changes of manager. Never once has the club even acknowledged the contact I have made. There's only so many times I'll be ignored before I decide to stop offering. And here's the thing that stick in my craw - the offers were genuine and for the benefit of the club only, there was never an angle or anything in it for me. I never tried to usurp or undermine anyone's position, I wanted to add something and help the club achieve greater things. But what perplexes me most is why the offer of free help (from me and anybody else) was ignored and at the same time, those who ignore routinely took aim and shot themselves in foot, and in such public manner.

For that, I have no affinity for anyone who sits in the boardroom and enjoys a position of influence withing the club. I have the utmost respect for the "not a penny more" brigade. I am a kindred spirit and sole member of the "Inte en krona mer" party here in Stockholm. I will still look for the results through the season and hope we win, but I am definitely finished with all other aspects.

Feel free to say my attitude stinks, but I'm a great believer in attitude reflecting leadership.

Great post, SS.

[calvin plummers socks]

Stockholm Spireite, on 22 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

^^^^This^^^^




Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

The reason I only offer this is because I've offered all sorts of help to the club, but never even had a courtesy response from anyone - and I mean even the work experience kids that might inhabit the office from time to time. You could also add CPS and Misnomer among others to the list of volunteers to the playing side who have been snubbed. There's also been a number of offers to help on the admin side of the club; same result. I'll give you a few examples:

1 - The consortium and bid for the club. Obvious and the most high-profile case.
2 - Scouting services; individual players and opposition teams
3 - Game analysis; feedback for players, planning for coaches, etc.
4 - Coaching; individual player improvement, team play, tactical set-ups, etc.
5 - Loan players. We're talking players who are available from October to March due to the seasonal breaks in Sweden. U.21 internationals who instead went to play on loan in the Netherlands. I offered my furnished house in Chesterfield (unoccupied at the time) for free - just pay the TV license and utility bills and you can take possession. My brother, who is a car enthusiast, had a vehicle in his garage he would let the players use - just pay the insurance and you can take possession.

All of these offers were in place from the time of Paul Cook's tenure. They were repeated when there were changes of manager. Never once has the club even acknowledged the contact I have made. There's only so many times I'll be ignored before I decide to stop offering. And here's the thing that stick in my craw - the offers were genuine and for the benefit of the club only, there was never an angle or anything in it for me. I never tried to usurp or undermine anyone's position, I wanted to add something and help the club achieve greater things. But what perplexes me most is why the offer of free help (from me and anybody else) was ignored and at the same time, those who ignore routinely took aim and shot themselves in foot, and in such public manner.

For that, I have no affinity for anyone who sits in the boardroom and enjoys a position of influence withing the club. I have the utmost respect for the "not a penny more" brigade. I am a kindred spirit and sole member of the "Inte en krona mer" party here in Stockholm. I will still look for the results through the season and hope we win, but I am definitely finished with all other aspects.

Feel free to say my attitude stinks, but I'm a great believer in attitude reflecting leadership.

As Stockholm says- some of us offered tangible help to a failing club but got not one reply -even a courteous no ta.

I mention Sally Swain as at the end of last season when MP had left and I spent 3 months in Town with a lot of free time to help I tried to chase up with her via phone and email and never got a response. I popped into the club for details of a function one day and mentioned her at reception to be told- don't bother she doesn't acknowledge thy sort of thing.

What Stockholm offered is incredible really both of financial worth (and saving) and of immmese expertise.

I find it quite insulting that of all the clubs I've worked with (20 now from Prem to Spanish la liga to championship and below I've never really had any bad experience in terms of courtesy.

But Town the club I've passionately 'supported' (or not according to Spire Power) for 40 years have shocked me time and time again. Like Stockholm I wasn't in it for money or fame (:-)) - probably as they couldn't afford our services in the real world ordinarily.

I guarantee if I (and Stockholm and Misnomer) had had our free services taken up we would not have gone down last year.

[spireitenag]

Stockholm Spireite, on 22 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

^^^^This^^^^




Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

The reason I only offer this is because I've offered all sorts of help to the club, but never even had a courtesy response from anyone - and I mean even the work experience kids that might inhabit the office from time to time. You could also add CPS and Misnomer among others to the list of volunteers to the playing side who have been snubbed. There's also been a number of offers to help on the admin side of the club; same result. I'll give you a few examples:

1 - The consortium and bid for the club. Obvious and the most high-profile case.
2 - Scouting services; individual players and opposition teams
3 - Game analysis; feedback for players, planning for coaches, etc.
4 - Coaching; individual player improvement, team play, tactical set-ups, etc.
5 - Loan players. We're talking players who are available from October to March due to the seasonal breaks in Sweden. U.21 internationals who instead went to play on loan in the Netherlands. I offered my furnished house in Chesterfield (unoccupied at the time) for free - just pay the TV license and utility bills and you can take possession. My brother, who is a car enthusiast, had a vehicle in his garage he would let the players use - just pay the insurance and you can take possession.

All of these offers were in place from the time of Paul Cook's tenure. They were repeated when there were changes of manager. Never once has the club even acknowledged the contact I have made. There's only so many times I'll be ignored before I decide to stop offering. And here's the thing that stick in my craw - the offers were genuine and for the benefit of the club only, there was never an angle or anything in it for me. I never tried to usurp or undermine anyone's position, I wanted to add something and help the club achieve greater things. But what perplexes me most is why the offer of free help (from me and anybody else) was ignored and at the same time, those who ignore routinely took aim and shot themselves in foot, and in such public manner.

For that, I have no affinity for anyone who sits in the boardroom and enjoys a position of influence withing the club. I have the utmost respect for the "not a penny more" brigade. I am a kindred spirit and sole member of the "Inte en krona mer" party here in Stockholm. I will still look for the results through the season and hope we win, but I am definitely finished with all other aspects.

Feel free to say my attitude stinks, but I'm a great believer in attitude reflecting leadership.

Personally I think your attitude and stance sum up the feelings and the position a great number of fellow Spireites find themselves at presently.

There's no helping folks who think they know everything.

[Spireite-Karl]

Spire-Power, on 22 July 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Good for you mate. You're the best.

Seriously mate, I'm not enjoying this because the tide is turning slightly. You told be to chill out more (or to that effect) and you may have a point; though I appeal to you that you should take your own advice as your definition of a supporter if far too black and white in my opinion.

IF we really wanted to go that low, how long have you been 'supporting' CFC? See what I mean?? What gives you the right to say that I'm not a supporter of our club? BTW, I don't hold anything against you and I'm not looking to turn the tide any further, just for you to see things a bit differently, even if this isn't your stance.

[Tha Knows...]

Thanks Karl. I'll try to be calm

[Spireite-Karl]

Spire-Power, on 22 July 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

Thanks Karl. I'll try to be calm

Beer at some point as a truce??

[Tha Knows...]

Spireite-Karl, on 22 July 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

Beer at some point as a truce??

There's no war, just different opinions, but why not mate. Will PM you before First home game if you're around. Don't forget your match ticket.

[Spireite-Karl]

Spire-Power, on 22 July 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

There's no war, just different opinions, but why not mate. Will PM you before First home game if you're around. Don't forget your match ticket.

Nice try!

Prior to that sounds good though

[s42blue]

calvin plummers socks, on 22 July 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Wasn't wanting a reply from you - you piece of ****

Genuine Q... would you say that to his face?

[RN Blue]

Here's me thinking this was a thread about Clucas.

Anyway, Moondog, you have ACs ear, can you ask in all seriousness why SS and CPS never received a reply to their very generous offers of assistance? It seems incredulous to me that a drowning man would knock away any sort of assistance to pull him out of the water. We are clearly not well run (due to the overwhelming evidence of late), despite protestations that we are a professional club that doesn't make mistakes - oh the irony, so I can't see why genuine offers wouldn't even generate a response - unless of course our expensive IT system is pump and emails don't get through, wouldn't that be funny.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Stockholm Spireite, on 22 July 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

^^^^This^^^^




Vocal support for the team is all I am willing to offer now, so that makes me still a supporter, by your definition.

The reason I only offer this is because I've offered all sorts of help to the club, but never even had a courtesy response from anyone - and I mean even the work experience kids that might inhabit the office from time to time. You could also add CPS and Misnomer among others to the list of volunteers to the playing side who have been snubbed. There's also been a number of offers to help on the admin side of the club; same result. I'll give you a few examples:

1 - The consortium and bid for the club. Obvious and the most high-profile case.
2 - Scouting services; individual players and opposition teams
3 - Game analysis; feedback for players, planning for coaches, etc.
4 - Coaching; individual player improvement, team play, tactical set-ups, etc.
5 - Loan players. We're talking players who are available from October to March due to the seasonal breaks in Sweden. U.21 internationals who instead went to play on loan in the Netherlands. I offered my furnished house in Chesterfield (unoccupied at the time) for free - just pay the TV license and utility bills and you can take possession. My brother, who is a car enthusiast, had a vehicle in his garage he would let the players use - just pay the insurance and you can take possession.

All of these offers were in place from the time of Paul Cook's tenure. They were repeated when there were changes of manager. Never once has the club even acknowledged the contact I have made. There's only so many times I'll be ignored before I decide to stop offering. And here's the thing that stick in my craw - the offers were genuine and for the benefit of the club only, there was never an angle or anything in it for me. I never tried to usurp or undermine anyone's position, I wanted to add something and help the club achieve greater things. But what perplexes me most is why the offer of free help (from me and anybody else) was ignored and at the same time, those who ignore routinely took aim and shot themselves in foot, and in such public manner.

For that, I have no affinity for anyone who sits in the boardroom and enjoys a position of influence withing the club. I have the utmost respect for the "not a penny more" brigade. I am a kindred spirit and sole member of the "Inte en krona mer" party here in Stockholm. I will still look for the results through the season and hope we win, but I am definitely finished with all other aspects.

Feel free to say my attitude stinks, but I'm a great believer in attitude reflecting leadership.

I'd add to this that a prominent 'BB' member, someone with genuine qualifications and many years experience running a successful business (that's never acquired a CCJ, by the way), went to a great deal of time and trouble, offering his advice for free, in an attempt to improve the Club's financial performance.

I'm led to believe the owner's response was as curt as it was unappreciative.

My view is those running CFC only seek a certain type of person.

Perhaps 'birds of a feather' would be an apt adage to apply...