[Spire-Heights]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 17 June 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Yes

Disagree.

[h again]

sophocles, on 17 June 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:

Totally agree; Sam Hird and Ian Evatt have been shining examples of honest commitment and professionalism for us over many seasons. No player performs at his best 100% of the time, but those two have never stopped trying to give their best for us, even as the senior management team around them has done just about everything imaginable to drag the club down. Those two players deserve every ounce of credit they can possibly be given, and anyone who attempts to discredit them deserves our contempt in my opinion.

Contempt away, mi duck - but how do you account for the multiple horrible goals conceded by a central defence that was easily bullied, run through and generally made to suffer by very ordinary sides, some of them from L2. If honest commitment and professionalism were all that mattered the back four would be Talbot, Evatt, Hird and Humphrey, but I presume you don't want Richie back.
I wasn't criticising their commitment, professionalism, fitness, good nature, kindness to animals or any other desirable qualities - I was criticising them for conceding so many goals, giving the reason they did so, and hoping that things improve this time round, because if they don't we're in for some very rocky times.

[h again]

a kick in the balls, on 17 June 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

That is what you have said, not what the court jester has said.

Why do you post this nonsensical rubbish? If you disagree with me, make the case for Hird's positive qualities. It's what the Board's here for, not childish insults.
We'll take the professionalism and commitment for granted just to help you out, since I've never, ever, criticised that.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

h again, on 17 June 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Contempt away, mi duck - but how do you account for the multiple horrible goals conceded by a central defence that was easily bullied, run through and generally made to suffer by very ordinary sides, some of them from L2. If honest commitment and professionalism were all that mattered the back four would be Talbot, Evatt, Hird and Humphrey, but I presume you don't want Richie back.
I wasn't criticising their commitment, professionalism, fitness, good nature, kindness to animals or any other desirable qualities - I was criticising them for conceding so many goals, giving the reason they did so, and hoping that things improve this time round, because if they don't we're in for some very rocky times.

Last years midfield to stop them coming at us was probably one of the weakest in living memory. Hopefully this year there will be more protection

[Tha Knows...]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 17 June 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

Last years midfield to stop them coming at us was probably one of the weakest in living memory. Hopefully this year there will be more protection

H doesn't think outside the box

[Mr Mercury]

h again, on 17 June 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

Why do you post this nonsensical rubbish? If you disagree with me, make the case for Hird's positive qualities. It's what the Board's here for, not childish insults.
We'll take the professionalism and commitment for granted just to help you out, since I've never, ever, criticised that.

Meet face to face over a drink and have a chat away from all the keyboard warrior front?

[Tha Knows...]

Bowzer spirey, on 17 June 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

I would also add that Evatt and Hird have a passion , desire and loyalty to the club that most fans can clearly see. Pity more players last season didn't share that passion.

Agree. I can't imagine Hird and Evatt playing together in Caldwells back 3. I guess Caldwell prefers Evatt because he is more dominant aerially, while being the slower of the pair. Which leaves Hird as cover for CB and CM. I suppose thats a good option for us if not Hird. I REALLY don't like a back 3. If it works I will of course be delighted as we all want us to do well. We'll find out before too long.

[Blue95]

h again, on 17 June 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Contempt away, mi duck - but how do you account for the multiple horrible goals conceded by a central defence that was easily bullied, run through and generally made to suffer by very ordinary sides, some of them from L2. If honest commitment and professionalism were all that mattered the back four would be Talbot, Evatt, Hird and Humphrey, but I presume you don't want Richie back.
I wasn't criticising their commitment, professionalism, fitness, good nature, kindness to animals or any other desirable qualities - I was criticising them for conceding so many goals, giving the reason they did so, and hoping that things improve this time round, because if they don't we're in for some very rocky times.

The same Evatt and Hird who got us promotion and league 1 play off places? Whats the difference between those seasons? the midfield. Of which youre well aware.
Any CH in the world would look amatuer with no midfield in front of them. Stop being a tw@

[sophocles]

h again, on 17 June 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Contempt away, mi duck - but how do you account for the multiple horrible goals conceded by a central defence that was easily bullied, run through and generally made to suffer by very ordinary sides, some of them from L2. If honest commitment and professionalism were all that mattered the back four would be Talbot, Evatt, Hird and Humphrey, but I presume you don't want Richie back.
I wasn't criticising their commitment, professionalism, fitness, good nature, kindness to animals or any other desirable qualities - I was criticising them for conceding so many goals, giving the reason they did so, and hoping that things improve this time round, because if they don't we're in for some very rocky times.

Very simplistic view, if I may say so. Teams concede goals for many reasons in addition to the quality of their back four. If the forwards cant hold on to the ball for more than 5 seconds and opponents can stroll through midfield unchallenged, the defence will be put under extra pressure, and that is precisely what we saw over and over again last season.

[sophocles]

dim view, on 17 June 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

who the bludddy hell wants to discredit them?

One possible conclusion to be drawn from the manager signing a right sided CH and offering Evo a new deal is that he may be thinking of replacing Hird, or even moving him to CM. Is that discrediting him?

You are brilliant at completely missing the point.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

For the record Hird didn't appear against Wycombe, nor did he feature against Accrington. So he can't be blamed for two of the defeats against L2 opponents the person hiding behind the 'h again' username insists on quoting.

Again for the record the person hiding behind the 'h again' username spent numerous posts claiming everything we achieved under Cook was due to the midfield partnership of Morsy and Ryan, so it's typical hypocrisy to now say 'it's all about the defence'.

And once more for the record the reason he's focussing upon only one aspect of our demise is because he refuses to discuss, let alone condemn, the scandalous behaviour of those he continues to endorse.

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 18 June 2017 - 06:48 AM, said:

For the record ...

morning ode lad

.......Jerome Bomb-on Williams's much viewed goal against us was the match in which Hird got MOM from the posh seats but then quite rightly got dropped from the team for the next match cos of his poor play.
Funny old game.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 18 June 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

morning ode lad

.......Jerome Bomb-on Williams's much viewed goal against us was the match in which Hird got MOM from the posh seats but then quite rightly got dropped from the team for the next match cos of his poor play.
Funny old game.

Mornin', pal.

The game immediately after JBW's winner for Burton was Blackpool away, in which Hird started.

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 18 June 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Mornin', pal.

The game immediately after JBW's winner for Burton was Blackpool away, in which Hird started.

Ha ha.
Shows what I know.

I remember the gist of the debate but obviously not the fine detail. Sorry.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Meanwhile worth noting JBW, having been an 84th minute sub against, was given a start the next game for Burton but was withdrawn after 45 minutes, and reverted to the bench for the next four games.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 18 June 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

Ha ha.
Shows what I know.

I remember the gist of the debate but obviously not the fine detail. Sorry.

No worries, Dave (by the way, likin' the 'bin bag labelled 'all Turner's fault'' thing. Good stuff).

Look, mate; I don't think anyone's saying individual players aren't sometimes at fault, but I think everyone can see why this one anonymous poster is pursuing such a cynical agenda.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Spire-Heights, on 17 June 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Disagree.

Doesn't stop you being wrong😁

A bookie makes his odds on having a round book based on all the bets that have been placed. If people back a team it increases the bookies liability and the odds will shorten. In order to balance those liabilities other teams odds are liable to lengthen

[Wooden Spoon]

Ernie Ernie Ernie said:

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Doesn't stop you being wrong😁

A bookie makes his odds on having a round book based on all the bets that have been placed. If people back a team it increases the bookies liability and the odds will shorten. In order to balance those liabilities other teams odds are liable to lengthen

Surely the starting point for the odds is based on the club, the squad, the signings etc

[Wooden Spoon]

h again said:

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Contempt away, mi duck - but how do you account for the multiple horrible goals conceded by a central defence that was easily bullied, run through and generally made to suffer by very ordinary sides, some of them from L2. If honest commitment and professionalism were all that mattered the back four would be Talbot, Evatt, Hird and Humphrey, but I presume you don't want Richie back.
I wasn't criticising their commitment, professionalism, fitness, good nature, kindness to animals or any other desirable qualities - I was criticising them for conceding so many goals, giving the reason they did so, and hoping that things improve this time round, because if they don't we're in for some very rocky times.

Nothing to do with the worst midfield in a generation providing no cover, not pressing and giving the ball away in dangerous areas then?

[Wooden Spoon]

h again said:

1497734409[/url]"]1497734409[/url]' post='[url="tel:[url="tel:1309848"]1309848[/url]"]1309848[/url]'] Why do you post this nonsensical rubbish? If you disagree with me, make the case for Hird's positive qualities. It's what the Board's here for, not childish insults. We'll take the professionalism and commitment for granted just to help you out, since I've never, ever, criticised that.

Lol


Like you are capable of a sensible debate!!You argue black is white for the sake of it, never admit when you are wrong and point blank refuse to accept any criticism of the club. Your obsessive criticism of Sam Hird compared to your support and complete lack of condemnation for the likes of Chris "ring runner" Turner, Sutcliffe Carson as an example.

I've had more open and sensible discussions with El Comandanti and he was bonkers.

No, petty insults, emoji, and silly pictures are about all the effort you and your lying cowardly nonsense are worth.

This post has been edited by a kick in the balls: 18 June 2017 - 09:37 AM