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 moondog, on 19 April 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

Similar here, I've has this out with him directly recently, his view is the other directors could have voted him off the board, totally ignoring that would still leave them with having to work with Allen. Matters aren't helped that they are gagged by confidentiality agreements they had to sign to get some of their money out

Let's be clear.

Had the directors sent Carson packing, I suspect DA would have served notice in relation to the repayment of his loans.

[moondog]

 freelander2, on 19 April 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

Let's be clear.

Had the directors sent Carson packing, I suspect DA would have served notice in relation to the repayment of his loans.

DA could also have decided to employ him had it happened, very damaging comment that puts us even further back when it comes to restoring trust

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 Benno Spire, on 19 April 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Just seen him on calendar, put me off my tea. Asking fans to get behind the club, in other words please buy season tickets

Newark, enough said. ( Him not you )


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[moondog]

AC stands by his view that the former directors could have stayed and voted him off the board, he points out who then would have funded the club. He suggests the other directors had no plan and everyone is reliant on DA funding the club.

The obvious response to this is had the club been run properly he wouldn't have had to put his hand in his pocket given the record levels of income, we should have been able to service the debt. How can fans and fellow directors alike trust a Chairnan that had described the 2015/16 financial results as positive.

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 moondog, on 19 April 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

AC stands by his view that the former directors could have stayed and voted him off the board, he points out who then would have funded the club. He suggests the other directors had no plan and everyone is reliant on DA funding the club.

The obvious response to this is had the club been run properly he wouldn't have had to put his hand in his pocket given the record levels of income, we should have been able to service the debt. How can fans and fellow directors alike trust a Chairnan that had described the 2015/16 financial results as positive.

Mindful of Shorts' fees for Y/E 06/16 of £50,766 + CT's / SS's salary, I reckon we could have recruited a qualified individual to run the business, pay him/her a six figure salary, seen a significant improvement in the health of the business and still made a saving on accountancy fees and the costs of employing CT / SS.

Why were Barrie Hubbard & Alan Walters never replaced? You sat at the side of me in the Barley Mow and listened to AC's take on the Alan Sykes / Kaven Walker situation.

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 freelander2, on 19 April 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Mindful of Shorts' fees for Y/E 06/16 of £50,766 + CT's / SS's salary, I reckon we could have recruited a qualified individual to run the business, pay him/her a six figure salary, seen a significant improvement in the health of the business and still made a saving on accountancy fees and the costs of employing CT / SS.

Why were Barrie Hubbard & Alan Walters never replaced? You sat at the side of me in the Barley Mow and listened to AC's take on the Alan Sykes / Kaven Walker situation.

The annoying thing is the replacement can still happen, the fact it won't is killing us

[NOFX]

Having heard Ashley Carson on radio sheff I thought he came across as pretty honest in the stuff he said. Too many expenses and danny Wilson told him the team wasn't good enough and will get relegated. In not so many words he said that Chris Turner was out of his depth and cost the club a lot of money. What he wasn't asked was to go in depth into how much money has gone out of the club and to whom and why? I know he's not flavour of the month but if you were in ACs position what would you do?

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 moondog, on 19 April 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

DA could also have decided to employ him had it happened, very damaging comment that puts us even further back when it comes to restoring trust

Page 12: https://www.scribd.c...-Chapter-Closes

"This seemed to have an effect and Kaven opened up. He told me about his view that the old directors just wanted to sit in place forever, that he had had an offer from Dave Allen that he would be gifted Dave’s shares and able to run the club as he saw fit if he got rid of Wednesdayite and the other major shareholders and that another offer of being able to go to Chesterfield if he got Dave’s loan notes repaid. Wow, at least this explained the whole Geoff Sheard debacle!"

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 NOFX, on 19 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Having heard Ashley Carson on radio sheff I thought he came across as pretty honest in the stuff he said. Too many expenses and danny Wilson told him the team wasn't good enough and will get relegated. In not so many words he said that Chris Turner was out of his depth and cost the club a lot of money. What he wasn't asked was to go in depth into how much money has gone out of the club and to whom and why? I know he's not flavour of the month but if you were in ACs position what would you do?

What he didn't say is he's been managing the finances for the last 2 years

[charleyfarley11]

Any link to this interview?

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 NOFX, on 19 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Having heard Ashley Carson on radio sheff I thought he came across as pretty honest in the stuff he said. Too many expenses and danny Wilson told him the team wasn't good enough and will get relegated. In not so many words he said that Chris Turner was out of his depth and cost the club a lot of money. What he wasn't asked was to go in depth into how much money has gone out of the club and to whom and why? I know he's not flavour of the month but if you were in ACs position what would you do?

Do what he was supposed to be doing better, he's trying to brush any involvement from himself in the clubs downfall in the past few years under the carpet and paint himself as a saviour.

[moondog]

 charleyfarley11, on 19 April 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Any link to this interview?

About 35 mins in

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p04ytd5y

[60s 70s Spireite]

'Everybody starts a new season with optimism'

Really?

[Westbars Spireite]

 NOFX, on 19 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

Having heard Ashley Carson on radio sheff I thought he came across as pretty honest in the stuff he said. Too many expenses and danny Wilson told him the team wasn't good enough and will get relegated. In not so many words he said that Chris Turner was out of his depth and cost the club a lot of money. What he wasn't asked was to go in depth into how much money has gone out of the club and to whom and why? I know he's not flavour of the month but if you were in ACs position what would you do?

You'd keep doing as Dave tells you.

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 60s 70s Spireite, on 19 April 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

'Everybody starts a new season with optimism'

Really?

heyup
Can you clarify exactly what a non disclosure agreement is please for us non accountants?

Does it mean that the potential buyers can look at the books in as much detail as they like for as far back as they like without hindrance from Carson so that they can come up with an offer price, but they can never disclose what they find?

Any new owners reading this need to be aware that they will get pestered ad infinitum until the truth is revealed. Also, any new owners that don't do that due diligence or tell us it wasn't necessary can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.

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Doesnt it basically mean neither side will say anything about the other until a deal is confirmed?

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 JonB, on 19 April 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

Doesnt it basically mean neither side will say anything about the other until a deal is confirmed?

Correct. Plus neither side can disclose what they discover of the other party during the process.
DV, when an offer is accepted they will move to the due diligence stage

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 dim view, on 19 April 2017 - 09:04 PM, said:

heyup
Can you clarify exactly what a non disclosure agreement is please for us non accountants?

Does it mean that the potential buyers can look at the books in as much detail as they like for as far back as they like without hindrance from Carson so that they can come up with an offer price, but they can never disclose what they find?

Any new owners reading this need to be aware that they will get pestered ad infinitum until the truth is revealed. Also, any new owners that don't do that due diligence or tell us it wasn't necessary can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.

Probably worried that their share price would plummet if they were associated with us

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 freelander2, on 19 April 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

Page 12: https://www.scribd.c...-Chapter-Closes

"This seemed to have an effect and Kaven opened up. He told me about his view that the old directors just wanted to sit in place forever, that he had had an offer from Dave Allen that he would be gifted Dave’s shares and able to run the club as he saw fit if he got rid of Wednesdayite and the other major shareholders and that another offer of being able to go to Chesterfield if he got Dave’s loan notes repaid. Wow, at least this explained the whole Geoff Sheard debacle!"

Is Carson playing the role of this Kaven character? And the shares? Those Carson has already? I wish you would make it easy for us dim wits out here.

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 Westbars Spireite, on 19 April 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:

He knows they can't have a pop back, the slimy little turd.

Including other directors Warner and Croot???