[DIFH]

lindave, on 08 April 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

Until Jo got the winner, Dan was motm by a long chalk. I would rather have seen Beesley come on in front of Simmons, him and Jo would have linked well together.

Simmons is not fit/carrying an injury - as he came off saturday he was limping again. Every game he's played he seems to be in pain as he comes off.

Blue95, on 08 April 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

Wont find many better league 2 left backs than DJ

With a budget of 1.5 million we can't afford him.

[DIFH]

Spire-Power, on 08 April 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Gardner has been the only player to improve under Caldwell

SORRY DON'T AGREE - saying that he'll be a plus in L2. The quality in our midfield has been woeful and the emergence of DG is solely down to GC lack of knowing what he has in front of him. Gone are the loanees and we see Dimaio, Gardner, Dennis, Mitchell, Maguire looking far more like a team with purpose. Goals are still the biggest problem of all but with Nolan,McGinn, Jones playing in a more settled manner it certainly looks better to the eye.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 10 April 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

SORRY DON'T AGREE - saying that he'll be a plus in L2. The quality in our midfield has been woeful and the emergence of DG is solely down to GC lack of knowing what he has in front of him. Gone are the loanees and we see Dimaio, Gardner, Dennis, Mitchell, Maguire looking far more like a team with purpose. Goals are still the biggest problem of all but with Nolan,McGinn, Jones playing in a more settled manner it certainly looks better to the eye.

Gardner is a fancy Dan flatter to deceive type player. Too slow and ponderous on the ball, doesn't like doing simple at speed, just slows it down, fancy outside of the boot flick, danger over etc.

If we going to keep him it has to be out wide, to use his pace and one trick more effectively. I'd be getting shut if I was the manager.

[Stoptalkingbol]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 10 April 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Gardner is a fancy Dan flatter to deceive type player. Too slow and ponderous on the ball, doesn't like doing simple at speed, just slows it down, fancy outside of the boot flick, danger over etc.

If we going to keep him it has to be out wide, to use his pace and one trick more effectively. I'd be getting shut if I was the manager.

He deserves a contract just for his Cruyff turns.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Stoptalkingbol, on 10 April 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

He deserves a contract just for his Cruyff turns.

That's the very reason he perhaps should be let go. Sometimes good to see in the danger area, not in our half though.

[dim view]

Blue95, on 08 April 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

Wont find many better league 2 left backs than DJ

It's a very good question for the forthcoming forum. With his height pace and left foot there must be something serious we are all missing about his positional sense otherwise he'd be a championship player. There must be something in this 'cos all his managers have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline.

[Stoptalkingbol]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 April 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

That's the very reason he perhaps should be let go. Sometimes good to see in the danger area, not in our half though.

It's a tough one with him, he does things no one else in that side has the ability to do and he's the only one in the middle that actually runs forward with the ball and we look threatening. His problem is a mental one, one misplaced pass and a few jeers off the crowd and his head soon drops. If he starts a game well he tends to do ok, starts bad then he gets dragged after an hour looking jaded and can't wait to come off.

[JonB]

If Caldwell is going to stick with 3 at the back then a fit Jones would be up there as one of the better options we are likely to be able to have as a league 2 side. The issue is him being fit.

[Sammy Spireite]

The body language between DJ and GC on Saturday suggested to me there is still definite tension between the pair.

Several times first half GC was barking orders at him and DJ appeared not to acknowledge him.

[dtp]

dim view, on 10 April 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

It's a very good question for the forthcoming forum. With his height pace and left foot there must be something serious we are all missing about his positional sense otherwise he'd be a championship player. There must be something in this 'cos all his managers have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline.

Let's think about his height, first of all, yes, he is tall but he is not very good in the air.

Pace, he has pace to burn, but he is not very good at getting past a player by dribbling or with trickery.

He has an excellent left foot but it is best displayed when he is at full stretch, running out of pitch, without time to think, and putting a cross in.

Defensively he is not the best and gets back into position a lot slower than he does when released to go forward on one of his runs.

Fitness wise he is not always available and not a 40 games a season type player.

Does that little summary help to explain why several managers "have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline". Problem is, he's no longer a spring chicken and still hasn't learned.

I believe he is one of our higher earners and, for me, he will have to accept a big wage cut if he is to be given another contract.

[The Black Triangle]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 10 April 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

Simmons is not fit/carrying an injury - as he came off saturday he was limping again. Every game he's played he seems to be in pain as he comes off.



With a budget of 1.5 million we can't afford him.

He may be prepared or even forced to take a pay cut given his injury record.
But I don't think Caldwell likes the player and will look elsewhere. Odd really as Dan is probably more suited to 3 at the back, wingback style than most. Then again Caldwell played grimshaw as RWB do who knows

[boot]

dtp, on 10 April 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Let's think about his height, first of all, yes, he is tall but he is not very good in the air.

Pace, he has pace to burn, but he is not very good at getting past a player by dribbling or with trickery.

He has an excellent left foot but it is best displayed when he is at full stretch, running out of pitch, without time to think, and putting a cross in.

Defensively he is not the best and gets back into position a lot slower than he does when released to go forward on one of his runs.

Fitness wise he is not always available and not a 40 games a season type player.

Does that little summary help to explain why several managers "have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline". Problem is, he's no longer a spring chicken and still hasn't learned.

I believe he is one of our higher earners and, for me, he will have to accept a big wage cut if he is to be given another contract.

I couldn't have put it better myself !

[Spire-Heights]

Gardner would be good for us next season in league 2, I'd keep him at the right price.

[Rodney's Moustache]

dim view, on 10 April 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

It's a very good question for the forthcoming forum. With his height pace and left foot there must be something serious we are all missing about his positional sense otherwise he'd be a championship player. There must be something in this 'cos all his managers have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline.

Nail hit firmly on the head.Jones looks good going forward and can whip a cross in but has terrible positional sense when defending

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dtp, on 10 April 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Let's think about his height, first of all, yes, he is tall but he is not very good in the air.

Pace, he has pace to burn, but he is not very good at getting past a player by dribbling or with trickery.

He has an excellent left foot but it is best displayed when he is at full stretch, running out of pitch, without time to think, and putting a cross in.

Defensively he is not the best and gets back into position a lot slower than he does when released to go forward on one of his runs.

Fitness wise he is not always available and not a 40 games a season type player.

Does that little summary help to explain why several managers "have been prone to continually bullying him into taking up better positions from the touchline". Problem is, he's no longer a spring chicken and still hasn't learned.

I believe he is one of our higher earners and, for me, he will have to accept a big wage cut if he is to be given another contract.

He needs to play further forward

Rodney, on 11 April 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

Nail hit firmly on the head.Jones looks good going forward and can whip a cross in but has terrible positional sense when defending

Like a lot of other converted wingers

[dtp]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 12 April 2017 - 12:30 AM, said:

He needs to play further forward



Like a lot of other converted wingers

He looks lost when too far forward. He is at his best when he chooses to run from deep. Further forward you have to go when other players determine it not when you choose.

Jones, himself, in a recent interview described himself as a "full-back" - not a "wing-back", not a "winger".

[firedodger]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 10 April 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Gardner is a fancy Dan flatter to deceive type player. Too slow and ponderous on the ball, doesn't like doing simple at speed, just slows it down, fancy outside of the boot flick, danger over etc.

If we going to keep him it has to be out wide, to use his pace and one trick more effectively. I'd be getting shut if I was the manager.

Accept Gardner for what he is and keep him, he's never going to be a workhorse but he is capable of doing exciting, interesting things, he can beat a man, he is skillful and he can shoot effectively from outside the box. Yes he will misplace a pass and cock up every now and again, but so what? He can do interesting things, an endless stream of 5/10 yard passes is boring, you need the odd player capable of doing something that could change a game.

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 10 April 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

Simmons is not fit/carrying an injury - as he came off saturday he was limping again. Every game he's played he seems to be in pain as he comes off.

Personally I don't think it's anything to do with injury, I think he can finish, but other than that I just don't think he's very good.

[azul]

In his interview on Player his body language and tone at the end could suggest he doesn't think he'll be here next year.

Or am I reading too much into it

[Jontt]

danblue, on 08 April 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

I dare say it's wether we can fit him into next year's budget.
Personally, I like him. He's a bit of a character. But I'm assuming he is a big earner.

On a side note, I thought Dan Gardener had a good game again. I'd defo like to see him offered a contract here.
Rai Simons can do one tho. What an absolute woeful effort.

Personally, I wouldn't give Gardener a contract to cut my flicking lawn, if we keep him for next season we'll be playing non league in two years time

[spireitewolf]

Jontt said:

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Personally, I wouldn't give Gardener a contract to cut my flicking lawn, if we keep him for next season we'll be playing non league in two years time

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