[boot]

MDCCCLXVI, on 13 February 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

I'd guess it's not a case of being too expensive for Div 2, but too expensive for a club where the budget's being decimated.

And my guess is that if there is some such clause then Caldwell has been landed with a terrible dilemma, because contrary to your guess my guess is that a tenth of the budget on a centre back in League 2 is too expensive. Purely my speculation but I'm basing that on around £2.5 per week wages against a playing budget of around £1.3 - 1.5million. £3 million in League 1 (ref. Freelander ) is also not sustainable even if we stay up by some miracle.

We are where we are I'm afraid and most players in League 2 will be on less than half what I am guessing Hird's pay is already, and might further increase according to rumour if triggered.

[Paul Fisher]

hilly81, on 14 February 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

League One final points tally - 21st position

2004/05: Torquay Utd 51 points

2005/06: Hartlepool 50 points

2006/07: Chesterfield 47 points

2007/08: Bournemouth 48 points

2008/09: Northampton 49 points

2009/10: Gillingham 50 points

2010/11: Dagenham & Redbridge 47 points

2011/12: Wycombe Wanderers 43 points

2012/13: Scunthorpe United 48 points

2013/14: Tranmere Rovers 47 points

Average points needed in that 10 year period 48.

Thank you, there are on occasions odd seasons of more than 50pts, but if you get to 50 it gives you a better chance than most and that is just relying on what you do and not other sides.

[Zytok]

I think we're only squabbling over semantics tbf. I do agree with you that normally 50 points is required and this looks highly unlikely based on form. By inference though, your argument suggests that all the other relegation threatened clubs will also reach the 50 point mark in order to relegate us.

[Zytok]

freelander2, on 14 February 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

I can't be bothered to look. However, it would be interesting to take a snapshot of what the league table looked like in those seasons after 30 / 31 games.

I'd wager that there were fewer teams struggling than there are this season. It also shows that you "can" stay up on 43.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

boot, on 14 February 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

And my guess is that if there is some such clause then Caldwell has been landed with a terrible dilemma, because contrary to your guess my guess is that a tenth of the budget on a centre back in League 2 is too expensive. Purely my speculation but I'm basing that on around £2.5 per week wages against a playing budget of around £1.3 - 1.5million. £3 million in League 1 (ref. Freelander ) is also not sustainable even if we stay up by some miracle.

We are where we are I'm afraid and most players in League 2 will be on less than half what I am guessing Hird's pay is already, and might further increase according to rumour if triggered.

Just a slight correction. The £3M+ was the total football related wage bill last season, not just the cost related to players' salaries.

It's not just about what division we're playing in though, there needs to be a total culture change at the club. From memory and without checking my notes, the last time we played in division 2, our players were picking up on average £88K per year versus £45K which was the league average at the time.

[Sammy Spireite]

Zytok, on 14 February 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

I'd wager that there were fewer teams struggling than there are this season. It also shows that you "can" stay up on 43.

21st place is the last relegation spot, so no one has survived with 43.

The year Wycombe went down with 43, Orient (20th place) got 50pts.

[hilly81]

Sammy Spireite, on 14 February 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

21st place is the last relegation spot, so no one has survived with 43.

The year Wycombe went down with 43, Orient (20th place) got 50pts.

Yes, sorry, I should have made it clearer that that was the last relegation spot.

[Paul Fisher]

Zytok, on 14 February 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

I think we're only squabbling over semantics tbf. I do agree with you that normally 50 points is required and this looks highly unlikely based on form. By inference though, your argument suggests that all the other relegation threatened clubs will also reach the 50 point mark in order to relegate us.

Yes I appreciate that which I agree is highly unlikely given that CFC have to play Swindon and Bury. We could look at how many Chesterfield can afford to lose, but I've depressed myself enough this afternoon.

[Paul Fisher]

freelander2, on 14 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

Just a slight correction. The £3M+ was the total football related wage bill last season, not just the cost related to players' salaries.

It's not just about what division we're playing in though, there needs to be a total culture change at the club. From memory and without checking my notes, the last time we played in division 2, our players were picking up on average £88K per year versus £45K which was the league average at the time.

If I remember rightly Paul Cook couldn't believe the wages we were paying in League Two, which is a huge contradiction in itself considering what was to come.

[The Black Triangle]

Sammy Spireite, on 14 February 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

In reality, the biggest pointer to where we'll finish the season, is the table as it is now.

We're down.

The GD is a good indicator of who is the team struggling among the strugglers.

[boot]

freelander2, on 14 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

Just a slight correction. The £3M+ was the total football related wage bill last season, not just the cost related to players' salaries.

It's not just about what division we're playing in though, there needs to be a total culture change at the club. From memory and without checking my notes, the last time we played in division 2, our players were picking up on average £88K per year versus £45K which was the league average at the time.

Thanks. Your figures support my thoughts on wages - we are paying over the odds - Hird is not a victim. I am sure it could be sorted and you continually quote Walsall as an example. All very sad.

[Zytok]

So league 2 with a wage cap of 1k/wk beckons. Might not necessarily be a bad thing tbh.

[DIFH]

freelander2, on 14 February 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

Just a slight correction. The £3M+ was the total football related wage bill last season, not just the cost related to players' salaries.

It's not just about what division we're playing in though, there needs to be a total culture change at the club. From memory and without checking my notes, the last time we played in division 2, our players were picking up on average £88K per year versus £45K which was the league average at the time.

The goodwill of supporters and potential sponsors has well and truely been kicked in the goolies by the arrogant, incompetent and downright lying that has taken place.

I cannot see anyone who is thoroughly disgusted at this point in time returning to the club with the feelings they once had.

Feelings won't change until the ownership changes.