[moondog]

spireitenag, on 10 February 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Sounds like they are doing the decent thing.

Perhaps the start to rebuilding bridges with a lot of folks who fell foul of Sutcliffe.

I'd expect they've realised the PR cost in not taking action far outweighs the sums owed

[brockwell-spireite]

Johnnyspireite7, on 10 February 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

Anyone think it's unusual that brockwell spireite has been very quiet on this subject since not only did the faeces hit the fan but the whole freakin' cow 🐮 did?!?

Said all I have to say on this subject a long time ago. Nothing to do with me and definitely don't condone parents being out of pocket. Glad to see they will seemingly be reimbursed, at least financially.

[Zorro]

spireitenag, on 10 February 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Sounds like they are doing the decent thing.

Perhaps the start to rebuilding bridges with a lot of folks who fell foul of Sutcliffe.

IMO it should never have come to this in the first place.
My law knowledge is a bit rusty but I can't understand why this figure is now in the public domain and the sums of monies owed to individuals is only now being sorted. Yes it's decent and hopefully now the parents will be reimbursed but we are not talking about a £10 raffle ticket, some parents are owed over £1k which is disgraceful!! It is not something that has just appeared with the departure of LS, this problem has been there for several months and has been brought to the attention of individuals on previous occasions.

There IS an offence here, it's either theft or a deception. Other payments have been made to other suppliers since the payments were made by the parents, therefore one could think that LS had deliberately taken money from parents with no intention of paying back. In other words 'permanently depriving the owner" (in this case the parent). One could argue that it maybe a pecuniary deception if football kits had been bought and given to other kids or used by other players. If it had been reported to the police then a complaint should be lodged with the police authorities if they thought there was no action to be taken.

I am peed off that individuals think they can get away with anything without facing the consequences and this has happened for far too long at our football club. It is NOT acceptable for members of staff to lay bets on football matches and for it to be swept under the carpet nor is it acceptable for anyone to hold a raffle where a prize winner is announced and get's away scot free from our justice system. I cannot accept that 1 person only knew about the raffle, I do not think for 1 minute that KF walked around the club with a book of raffle tickets and a cloth bag to collect his money in. The publicity that surrounded the raffle with regards to the CFC homepage where the winner was announced and his subsequent illness preventing him from travelling and the story that he would be invited as a guest to receive corporate hospitality would not have been the brainchild of KF alone!

The club and individuals had plenty of opportunities to come 'clean' and admit the huge error and blunder of their ways, but how can I believe anything I am told when time after time I find out that I am being fed lies.

I was brought up knowing the difference between right & wrong. Honesty is a key word and should be part of everyone's life. If you are not honest then you are deceitful!!!

A very disgruntled fan!!

Z

Apologies for my rant!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Zorro, on 10 February 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

IMO it should never have come to this in the first place.
My law knowledge is a bit rusty but I can't understand why this figure is now in the public domain and the sums of monies owed to individuals is only now being sorted. Yes it's decent and hopefully now the parents will be reimbursed but we are not talking about a £10 raffle ticket, some parents are owed over £1k which is disgraceful!! It is not something that has just appeared with the departure of LS, this problem has been there for several months and has been brought to the attention of individuals on previous occasions.

There IS an offence here, it's either theft or a deception. Other payments have been made to other suppliers since the payments were made by the parents, therefore one could think that LS had deliberately taken money from parents with no intention of paying back. In other words 'permanently depriving the owner" (in this case the parent). One could argue that it maybe a pecuniary deception if football kits had been bought and given to other kids or used by other players. If it had been reported to the police then a complaint should be lodged with the police authorities if they thought there was no action to be taken.

I am peed off that individuals think they can get away with anything without facing the consequences and this has happened for far too long at our football club. It is NOT acceptable for members of staff to lay bets on football matches and for it to be swept under the carpet nor is it acceptable for anyone to hold a raffle where a prize winner is announced and get's away scot free from our justice system. I cannot accept that 1 person only knew about the raffle, I do not think for 1 minute that KF walked around the club with a book of raffle tickets and a cloth bag to collect his money in. The publicity that surrounded the raffle with regards to the CFC homepage where the winner was announced and his subsequent illness preventing him from travelling and the story that he would be invited as a guest to receive corporate hospitality would not have been the brainchild of KF alone!

The club and individuals had plenty of opportunities to come 'clean' and admit the huge error and blunder of their ways, but how can I believe anything I am told when time after time I find out that I am being fed lies.

I was brought up knowing the difference between right & wrong. Honesty is a key word and should be part of everyone's life. If you are not honest then you are deceitful!!!

A very disgruntled fan!!

Z

Apologies for my rant!

No need for apologies, my friend.

Agree with every word.

[Mr Mercury]

Zorro, on 10 February 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

IMO it should never have come to this in the first place.
My law knowledge is a bit rusty but I can't understand why this figure is now in the public domain and the sums of monies owed to individuals is only now being sorted. Yes it's decent and hopefully now the parents will be reimbursed but we are not talking about a £10 raffle ticket, some parents are owed over £1k which is disgraceful!! It is not something that has just appeared with the departure of LS, this problem has been there for several months and has been brought to the attention of individuals on previous occasions.

There IS an offence here, it's either theft or a deception. Other payments have been made to other suppliers since the payments were made by the parents, therefore one could think that LS had deliberately taken money from parents with no intention of paying back. In other words 'permanently depriving the owner" (in this case the parent). One could argue that it maybe a pecuniary deception if football kits had been bought and given to other kids or used by other players. If it had been reported to the police then a complaint should be lodged with the police authorities if they thought there was no action to be taken.

I am peed off that individuals think they can get away with anything without facing the consequences and this has happened for far too long at our football club. It is NOT acceptable for members of staff to lay bets on football matches and for it to be swept under the carpet nor is it acceptable for anyone to hold a raffle where a prize winner is announced and get's away scot free from our justice system. I cannot accept that 1 person only knew about the raffle, I do not think for 1 minute that KF walked around the club with a book of raffle tickets and a cloth bag to collect his money in. The publicity that surrounded the raffle with regards to the CFC homepage where the winner was announced and his subsequent illness preventing him from travelling and the story that he would be invited as a guest to receive corporate hospitality would not have been the brainchild of KF alone!

The club and individuals had plenty of opportunities to come 'clean' and admit the huge error and blunder of their ways, but how can I believe anything I am told when time after time I find out that I am being fed lies.

I was brought up knowing the difference between right & wrong. Honesty is a key word and should be part of everyone's life. If you are not honest then you are deceitful!!!

A very disgruntled fan!!

Z

Apologies for my rant!

Likewise the comments re Liam Suttcliffe being "run out of town" over his mismanagement of the DC. Ashley Carson said things that Suttcliffe had done that to me implied illegality, i.e. The Paris trip not being booked, his comments were heard by the whole AGM, and yet rather than chasing him down for this and the enourmouse damage he did to CFC via the proper authorities he's told never to darken our door again, ridiculous! Add to that Turner, who for a long time was involved at the DC when a lot of this stuff was apparently going off, doesn't even have the decency to attend. It's pathetic.

[dim view]

moondog, on 10 February 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

Latest £7,777 (12 individuals owed) I'm told FBT will be sorting it

Another creditor to be included.

I understand that a local independent garage serviced and M O T Tested a minibus on behalf of the football club last summer. Surprise Surprise  - they have not been paid yet. When the invoice was sent to the club, the garage were informed that the minibus belonged to ......the DC. Add another £600.

[moondog]

dim view, on 10 February 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Another creditor to be included.

I understand that a local independent garage serviced and M O T Tested a minibus on behalf of the football club last summer. Surprise Surprise  - they have not been paid yet. When the invoice was sent to the club, the garage were informed that the minibus belonged to ......the DC. Add another £600.

Can you PM me the name and I'll pass on

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Zorro, on 10 February 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

I was brought up knowing the difference between right & wrong. Honesty is a key word and should be part of everyone's life. If you are not honest then you are deceitful!!!

That's precisely what it boils down to.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 10 February 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Another creditor to be included.
Show that
I understand that a local independent garage serviced and M O T Tested a minibus on behalf of the football club last summer. Surprise Surprise  - they have not been paid yet. When the invoice was sent to the club, the garage were informed that the minibus belonged to ......the DC. Add another £600.

That can't be so. When I asked the question at the AGM, was there a danger that the DC could have been accused of passing off as CFC when incurring debt, Carson said absolutely not.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 February 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

That can't be so. When I asked the question at the AGM, was there a danger that the DC could have been accused of passing off as CFC when incurring debt, Carson said absolutely not.

With the amount of DC expenditure which the club have paid for and recharged at a later date, CFC haven't helped themselves. I believe Absolute Travel & AC are currently having a similar conversation.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 February 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

That can't be so. When I asked the question at the AGM, was there a danger that the DC could have been accused of passing off as CFC when incurring debt, Carson said absolutely not.

I'll check who gave the bad news to the garage owner.

[dim view]

moondog, on 10 February 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

I'd expect they've realised the PR cost in not taking action far outweighs the sums owed

You think they will pay the whole £150k?

Call me a cynic, but what I want to know is...

What safeguards are in place at CFC to prevent FTB being recompensed by CFC in the future for the sums owed? Howard wouldn't be able to find out 'cos it's impossible to detect. Even more worrying, I have grave doubts whether those in charge have any kind of dilemma about it. How closely do you check things Mr Croot and Mr Warner?

[Forever a Spireite]

dim view, on 10 February 2017 - 10:45 PM, said:

You think they will pay the whole £150k?

Call me a cynic, but what I want to know is...

What safeguards are in place at CFC to prevent FTB being recompensed by CFC in the future for the sums owed? Howard wouldn't be able to find out 'cos it's impossible to detect. Even more worrying, I have grave doubts whether those in charge have any kind of dilemma about it. How closely do you check things Mr Croot and Mr Warner?

They don't check or things would have been stopped before now. Unless they did know and have done nothing??? Mmmm another can of worms to open!

[moondog]

Forever a Spireite, on 11 February 2017 - 12:17 AM, said:

They don't check or things would have been stopped before now. Unless they did know and have done nothing??? Mmmm another can of worms to open!

Mike Warner at the AGM conceded at that he didn't know about the development centre and hoped to learn at the meeting from the questions, however once they started flowing upon instructions from the top table he curtailed them.

[meowdmucker]

moondog, on 11 February 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

Mike Warner at the AGM conceded at that he didn't know about the development centre and hoped to learn at the meeting from the questions, however once they started flowing upon instructions from the top table he curtailed them.

I know we all keep repeating ourselves but the fans have been lied to so many times by the club that we just cannot believe anything we are told.
There is absolutely no trust whatsoever. A real sorry state of affairs.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

meowdmucker, on 11 February 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

I know we all keep repeating ourselves but the fans have been lied to so many times by the club that we just cannot believe anything we are told.
There is absolutely no trust whatsoever. A real sorry state of affairs.

The problem isn't the lies, it's the reasons for them.

A succession of chancers and opportunists have been embraced on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

A catalogue of events have happened on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

A series of scandals have occurred on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

The lies are the symptom; Town employees indulging in unacceptable behaviour is the disease.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

MDCCCLXVI, on 11 February 2017 - 01:31 PM, said:

The problem isn't the lies, it's the reasons for them.

A succession of chancers and opportunists have been embraced on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

A catalogue of events have happened on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

A series of scandals have occurred on Sheff Road when they simply shouldn't have.

The lies are the symptom; Town employees indulging in unacceptable behaviour is the disease.

Unfortunately the behaviour has been so accepted and so unchallenged it is now the norm

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 11 February 2017 - 01:41 PM, said:

Unfortunately the behaviour has been so accepted and so unchallenged it is now the norm

I made a similar point at the AGM.

There must be a reason why these individuals appear at our club and are tolerated, for me the reason is crystal clear.

[Spireite-Karl]

freelander2, on 11 February 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

I made a similar point at the AGM.

There must be a reason why these individuals appear at our club and are tolerated, for me the reason is crystal clear.

Does David Cameron's old slogan come close??

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 11 February 2017 - 05:07 PM

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Mrhappy, on 05 February 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

He hasn't provided enough, he's provided some.




I think it's fair to say I wouldn't get a response.

Have you made contact with Mike Hegarty?