[dim view]

Les Ashmore, on 12 November 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

The Fans Forum were asked to do one thing, wait for the Official released transcript and that was broken within hours

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

There often appear to be 'inconsistencies' in what he comes out with and the reality. He's very unlucky I reckon.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

There often appear to be 'inconsistencies' in what he comes out with and the reality. He's very unlucky I reckon.

[ELTON 2020]

Westbars Spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 05:31 PM, said:

There often appear to be 'inconsistencies' in what he comes out with and the reality. He's very unlucky I reckon.

That's happened a lot at this club!!

[Rodney's Moustache]

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

There's no sarcasm in this response, I'm sure you or many others on this board could've come up with a better tactical plan than what was served up today... for me I accept Danny is working on a tight budget.. but it's not the smallest budget in the league.. and he has brought in and played sub standard players like Fulton and di maio

You'd be wasting your time... it's a while ago now and a different management team but I did a report for town on Bristol city once, I lost count how many times I talked about showing Murray their winger outside and not letting him come in... first half and we're showing him inside to score into the kop end... so frustrating

Good player Scott Murray.

[Spireite88]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

A family member of mine was in attendance and he told me that was a request, not sure why he would lie to me.

[dim view]

Spireite88, on 13 November 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

A family member of mine was in attendance and he told me that was a request, not sure why he would lie to me.

Neither am I. Perhaps you should ask him.

[Spireite88]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

Neither am I. Perhaps you should ask him.

I know which one id rather believe, and no they have no connection to Les at all just in case you think that.

[DIFH]

essexspireman, on 12 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

There appear to be some members of the board and attendees at the fan's forum who know more about accounting and what's wrong with the club than the board do. Several on here have highlighted issues that have the board running around like headless chickens. Have any of you thought about offering your services to the club to help them out of this mess?

Something has to be done to keep the club alive and the board don't seem to know what.

That would mean hanging the skeletons out to dry...................

[Tyrion]

These heavies were in attendance again today and they were new ones to me (one looked a right bruiser) and they did their jobs for the first time I have known. A fair amount of aggro on the back row today

[DIFH]

Stockholm Spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Both of these statements are correct. There's a poster on here who was given access to the 'inner sanctum' and then told his input was not welcome. Sometimes the truth is unpalatable...

For what it's worth, I find scouting and analysis work easily whenever I'm back in England. I work for clubs in the north-west who send me games (much more than youtube highlights), so I can analyse the player, then I'm sent the specifics to focus upon. I've also done analysis work for those clubs regarding upcoming opponents to help with their preparations for specific games. CFC has my details. Maybe it's the Dave Allen "nobody outside this club tells us what to do" DNA that permeates other departments?






Maybe you could volunteer your services re: agents and legal fees - unless you yourself are working at a bigger club or institution?

You don't stand a chance - didn't our CEO !!!! yes CEO say he was going to look at a player last week.

[Sammy Spireite]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

I don't recall such a request, either.

There was a couple of specific request "please don't put this on the boards..." when a couple of very sensitive topics were discussed, understandable to all those present.

[Sammy Spireite]

freelander2, on 12 November 2016 - 05:41 PM, said:

Just waiting on MDCCCLXVI, Clairvoyant & Sammy now.

apologies, not been on here since Friday evening.

Will sort today.

[azul]

Sammy Spireite, on 14 November 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

I don't recall such a request, either.

There was a couple of specific request "please don't put this on the boards..." when a couple of very sensitive topics were discussed, understandable to all those present.

The answers must have been unpalltable or has DA found a buyer

I have to say it is pretty stupid to tell 10 blokes off a messagboard, 10 blokes off Facebook and ten blokes down the pub such sensitive information it can't be printed

This post has been edited by azul: 14 November 2016 - 02:37 PM

[BodieUK]

dim view, on 13 November 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Les. You need to apologise. There was no such request. You have made it up.

Happy it's not just me that thought that.

I was there on the night and I didn't recall such a request but given all the talk afterwards I thought that I must have missed it??

[moondog]

With apologies for the delay these are our groups questions and answers from the fans forum, the PDF of the advance Q&A's is attached again for completeness.


CCJ issued against CFC Football Development School Ltd on 23/08/16 totalling £4,334.

It is understood that the judgment relates to work carried out by a South Yorkshire based electrician. During a meeting in March, a supporter had previously asked Liam Sutcliffe & Chris Turner about this debt and he was told that the amount owing had already been paid.

When the supporter became aware of the judgment, he took the opportunity to raise the subject once again with Ashley Carson, Chris Turner & Liam Sutcliffe at a fans’ forum on 01/10/16 highlighting the judgment and that it had not been paid. Again, he was assured that the debt had been settled and Liam Sutcliffe confirmed that he would be happy to provide proof, however this was never forthcoming.

At the fans’ forum on 09/11/16, Chris Turner and Ashley Carson confirmed that the debt had been paid three or four days earlier, firmly putting the blame on Liam Sutcliffe.


Subsequent checks confirm that the CCJ dated 23/08/16 for £4,334 was paid on 31/10/16.

Postscript - A further CCJ was issued against the company on 14/11/16 for £12,870, which remains unpaid.

Action point – CT confirmed that he would speak with LS and produce proof of payment.




Running at Great Profit – CFC Football Development School Ltd

The minutes from the fans’ forum on the 25th April 2015 read as follows, when asked about the development centre, CT said that it was running at great profit, which will reduce the costs of the academy. However, just over 9 weeks later, the accounts for CFC Football Development School Ltd (year end 30/06/15) showed that the balance sheet had deteriorated from -£47,563 to -£77,630, equal to a £30,000 loss for the year.

Does this demonstrate a total lack of understanding of what was happening in your own business or did something happen in the nine weeks that turned a business which was operating at great profit to one which generated a £30,000 loss? If so, what?

Chris Turner believed the development school was trading at great profit because Liam Sutcliffe had told him it was. CT went on to emphasise the point that the concept was/is a great idea and that LS was a great coach. Mindful of the damage caused by the development centre and its impact on the club’s reputation, CT suggested that this was offset against the benefits the centre generates for the club and LS’s coaching abilities.

There was also a suggestion by Ashley Carson that he was in the process of removing the club’s badge from the development school.




CFC 2001 Accounts, Directed to John Croot & Chris Breeze

Chris Turner has said on many occasions that CFC Football Development School Ltd / CFC International Football Academy Ltd have never been a debtor in the CFC 2001 accounts, do you agree?

Answer – Yes

Action point – Dimview to make further enquiries and report back.


PSG Trip, Directed to Chris Turner

In a meeting with Liam Sutcliffe on the 5th August, it was pointed out that Liam had been asked if the PSG trip had been booked and paid for. Liam’s response, which was witnessed by Nick Johnson, was that he was unable to answer the question.

Given the emails that Liam has sent to parents telling them that they were not entitled to a refund and the press release which the club put out on 23/05/16 ([http://www.chesterfi...nt-3123049.aspx) suggested similar, was the trip booked and paid for and are you prepared to issue documentary evidence into the public domain confirming it was?

Action point – CT to speak with LS and release booking confirmation into the public domain.



Rafflegate

It was suggested to the representatives of CFC that Kevin Fitzgerald had been made a scapegoat over the invented raffle winner and that other individuals within the business must have been aware of the issue before it became public knowledge. This point was reinforced by the suggestion that the cost of the trip and the financing of it (raffle sales) would have been discussed in management and board meetings and therefore questions asked in relation to how sales were performing, etc.

Chris Turner stated that he was against the idea of raffle and told Fitzgerald that the financing of the trip (£28k) should be through sponsorship. He wasn't in agreemement to fans or sponsors being part of the travelling party. Pinders had allegedly offered £7,000 towards the trip and Fitzgerald had informed CT that a further four sponsors had been contacted and were possibilities, however none materialised. Pinders were later asked about their alleged contribution and why it was not forthcoming, they were unaware of the agreement and the figure mentioned related to other sponsorship which they had with the club.

CT said the first he knew about the raffle was the day after he and the players has returned when Fitzgerald asked him at the Sheffield Wednesday game if he was going to be sacked.

It was confirmed that Fitzgerald had received 3 months’ severance pay following his dismissal from the club.

CFC representatives were also asked to confirm two rumours. The first one, that Fitzgerald was working for Blackpool FC, which was incorrect. The second rumour was that Fitzgerald was working for FBT (the shirt manufacturer) who have linked up with Liam Sutcliffe, this was also denied. However after further probing, it was confirmed that Fitzgerald was working for a workwear company, called Romiro, a company under the control of Sir Rodney Walker (who also controls FBT Europe).

Ashley Carson was also asked about Chesterfield Borough Council’s investigation into the raffle, AC confirmed that he had not heard anything, but that he had tried to call them today (09/11/16) and was promised an update the following day. AC was reminded that he had promised to release CBC’s findings into the public domain.

Action point – AC to make enquiries and release information.



Finances Versus Other Clubs

It was pointed out that in Chris Turner’s programme notes for the Scunthorpe game, he stated that he had been taking note of the accounts of other clubs in our division and that you could see why some are making huge losses.

The suggestion was made that when you compare CFC’s accounts to those club who are generally considered to be well-run, we perform badly. Walsall was quoted as an example, profits of £416K, Burton who were promoted to the Championship last year confirmed profits of £162K on the back of £4.2M of turnover and Rochdale, who during the 2014/15 season sold Donnelly to Tranmere, Hogan to Brentford and Done to Sheff U, finished 8th in Division 1 and reported a £1.4M profit.

Chris Turner was glad that Walsall had been mentioned as they have much bigger conference and banqueting facilities, with the venue regularly hosting Asian weddings. Plus they receive over £500K for an advertising spot, an area that faces the M6.

It was pointed out that Walsall, Rochdale and Burton have inferior turnover to CFC, but their total wage bills are significantly less too. CT & AC confirmed that Dave Allen will not cut the playing budget.



Employee Remuneration – Directed to Chris Breeze

Wanting to draw a line under the past, Chris was asked to dispel the rumours that had been circulating on various forms of social media that certain members of senior management receive a percentage of income generated by player sales.

It was confirmed that both Chris Turner and Paul Cook had received bonuses based on the profit associated with player sales. CB added, that he believed CT had negotiated hard in the deals and had managed to secure fees beyond what the board considered possible.

It was also confirmed that some of the bonus payments which are due to CT are still owed to him.

CB also clarified that that agreement had not been extended to Paul Cook’s successors.



Questionable Characters – Directed to Chris Turner

It was pointed out that CT had embraced a number of characters, over an extended period of time, all of whom had been easily exposed as unsuitable by supporters of the club, to the point where the club had abruptly terminated those relationships.

CT was asked if any due diligence had been conducted on the individuals concerned and if pursuing these relationships constituted poor judgement on his part.

CT confirmed that no vetting had taken place.

[The Rec]

AC's responses to the financial questions = back of a fag packet management.

[dim view]

The Rec, on 21 November 2016 - 08:25 PM, said:

AC's responses to the financial questions = back of a fag packet management.

Can somebody explain how CFC can have run up such a large HMRC bill in such a short time?


10) Re. The interest charge on overdue tax, please confirm the company’s position in respect to the historic liability to HMRC.
All outstanding liabilities have been paid.

This post has been edited by dim view: 22 November 2016 - 08:05 AM

[Tonycfc]

It was confirmed that Fitzgerald had received 3 months’ severance pay following his dismissal from the club.

CFC representatives were also asked to confirm two rumours. The first one, that Fitzgerald was working for Blackpool FC, which was incorrect. The second rumour was that Fitzgerald was working for FBT (the shirt manufacturer) who have linked up with Liam Sutcliffe, this was also denied. However after further probing, it was confirmed that Fitzgerald was working for a workwear company, called Romiro, a company under the control of Sir Rodney Walker (who also controls FBT Europe).

You could not make this up, reward what some would call as fraud with a severance pay. Then he lands a job, that at the time was associated with CFC. Amazing stuff.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Moondog,

Regarding the outstanding action points, have either AC or CT been in touch since the forum on the 9th?