[Blue95]

dim view, on 10 November 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

Yep. CT receives a percentage of profit on player sales. PC did as well but that perk stopped for subsequent managers. CT has not yet been paid, so we now have the farcical situation of the guy overseeing CFC's financial performance being a major creditor in the accounts.

I don't want to say much more until more attendees get involved or the official account comes out. For total disclosure Nick Johnson should make the whole recording public. What a fine podcast that would be.

Conflict of interest surely?! This whole scenario is absolute bizarre/ridiculous/farcical/amatuer. Professional club my bottom. Turner & Allen out. Idiots.

[Tonycfc]

Maverick, on 10 November 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

Is this not also a conflict of interest, where our CEO is effectively incentivised to sell our best players, therefore limiting the club's ability to complete? Surely, he should be incentivised on progressing the club forward in terms of league finishing position and debt reduction/financial performance? Oh, hang on a sec, conflict of interest, he's now a major creditor!
What a farce!

Some could say it looks like hes making a decent pension pot for himself on the back of the transfers. Not me i'm staying neutral.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Heart of a Niven, on 10 November 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Surely, with this New World Order you've created over night, it shouldn't be a problem being told what was discussed at the meeting, bearing in mind that one of the main issues is transparency.
Sammy Spireite's comment that there were 'commitments made on both sides' suggests that there's been an agreement that board members will, at the very least, end their hounding of CT but I wait for clarification on what was actually meant (and as you say the proof of the pudding is in the eating). It does however appear that the fall-out from the meeting will create the atmosphere the Gang Of Three are desperate to generate - divide and conquer, where the fan base is left with the Orwellian problem of 'all animals are equal' etc.
It is vital that those present tell people what happened last night and let them form their own conclusions, not wait until their new masters say 'jump'.
On a side note, I wouldn't have a clue what Les Ashmore looks like, nor do I have a problem with him expressing his views on here, as I'm sure anyone else on this board would agree, so forgive me a little laugh.

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

This post has been edited by freelander2: 10 November 2016 - 01:53 PM

[Heart of a Niven]

Thanks Freelander. Good work by all concerned. Sad to that many answers weren't to your liking and that change is required - but then I guess we knew that. Keep up the good work and look forward to Moondog's updates.

[Tonycfc]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.
Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

That is a worrying statement. Fair play for coming out and saying it.

This post has been edited by Tonycfc: 10 November 2016 - 02:00 PM

[hilly81]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

This is such a worrying statement.

[BodieUK]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

Agreed.

Respect to them all for making the first step towards building bridges with the fans, but having CT in a more "Football-Focused" role will surely be more beneficial and suited to both himself and the club.

We need someone (with experience) who is going to come in and be ruthless with cutting costs

[CFC91]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

Thanks for not sitting on the fence. Confirmed the fears many have had for a while now.

So...this protest on Sunday?

[erniemossity]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

Thankyou for attending and we all await with trepidation what the minutes of the meeting will say. I get the impression from your comments that our concerns have not only been confirmed, but probably run deeper than we first thought. I guess we should hold our powder dry until we get the write-up, but I feel even more worried now than a couple of days ago. It appears the guys in charge DO NOT have the clubs interests at heart, only their own...and unless we get a change at the top then we are on a downward spiral. I can't believe a multi-million pound business is run in such a shoddy, unprofessional manner, and even more surprised DA seems content it's run that way. As I say, powder dry until the minutes, but I think an organised protest HAS to come very soon.

[Mrhappy]

erniemossity, on 10 November 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Thankyou for attending and we all await with trepidation what the minutes of the meeting will say. I get the impression from your comments that our concerns have not only been confirmed, but probably run deeper than we first thought. I guess we should hold our powder dry until we get the write-up, but I feel even more worried now than a couple of days ago. It appears the guys in charge DO NOT have the clubs interests at heart, only their own...and unless we get a change at the top then we are on a downward spiral. I can't believe a multi-million pound business is run in such a shoddy, unprofessional manner, and even more surprised DA seems content it's run that way. As I say, powder dry until the minutes, but I think an organised protest HAS to come very soon.

[DIFH]

Sudays game will pass by nicely and without protest then ?

[calvin plummers socks]

Who is Les Ashmore and why does he need protecting?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 10 November 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Sudays game will pass by nicely and without protest then ?

I think its fair to say Sunday's game will pass by before everyone has agreed the minutes of the meeting. What little bits have been suggested are alarming

[The Black Triangle]

dim view, on 10 November 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

He was. Our message was obvious but he had the air of a man who knew there was no one at the meeting who could affect his position. He listened, waffled, blustered, made some ridiculous excuses (such as LS's value as a youth coach outweighs his deficiencies), and some outrageous suggestions (such as that some fans present could help him do due diligence in future).

I'm very pessimistic. There is a simple way out of this which is that DA moves him to Director of Football and spends £80k on a proper CEO. In my opinion that would pay for itself within 12 months. This option is nowt to DA yet he won't do it.

There is nobody at CFC running the finances or the departments. The Directors are not performing their duties as custodians of our football club and I told them that. I heard a very slight whimper of a whisper about takeover talks but I'm not holding my breath.

Not very encouraging. In a nut shell they accept he is turd at his job, but he is safe in his position while ever Allen is the owner as the other directors can't/won't act? What a sorry state of affairs.

[alho]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 10 November 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Sudays game will pass by nicely and without protest then ?

Whether we like it or not Dave Allen regularly bailing us out and filling the financial shortfalls is the only thing keeping the club afloat so we need to be very careful regarding protests etc, the consequences could be horrendous

[Zorro]

freelander2, on 10 November 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

I believe Moondog might issue all with an update later.

As I understand it, 16 questions were submitted to Ashley Carson prior to last night's meeting. All of those questions were finance related and the majority were based on present versus historical data.

We have received answers, some of which we are not overly happy with. We are in the process of asking Ashley Carson to relook at some of his answers before they are released on here.

With regards to last night's Q&A, there's about three and a half hours of audio to listen to and summarise. In reality, that's probably seven hours worth of work. Nick Johnson got lumbered with that and it was agreed that all parties would agree the content before it is released.

In terms of the meeting itself, I can only speak for myself, CHANGE IS REQUIRED AT OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. It is leaderless and those currently in charge of the business do not have the knowledge, understanding or qualifications to make it work. I'm not convinced they know what the problem is and I am 100% certain after last night they have no solution for it.

Given that Dave Allen supports what is going on, you really have to wonder where our club is going.

Mike's summary is spot on, I believe that the club may already realise that changes need to happen but I don't think it will happen with heads being lost. What we seriously need is leadership, we NEED a professional CEO, a Financial Director & a PR man who will talk to the fans on behalf of the club. CT came in for a lot of criticism last night and most of it was justified. CT is a football man through & through and should be retained as our Director of Football. As a CEO, he is like a fish out of water and the blame must lie with DA & the board for placing him in this role. Alan Sugar would struggle to turn the club into a profiteering business with the current structure.

Regarding protests, IMO that is the last thing our club needs now. Last night was a good start for both the club & fans to exchange views, ask questions and try to look to the future. Holding demonstrations would damage any relationships. The club & board do know that protests are trying to be planned by a few, but what would this achieve? For the Sheffield United game, I would prefer it if the fans got behind the team on Sunday instead of protesting about the club and how it is run. This is one of those games where fan power would help the team and I am more interested in supporting our team at the moment instead of our club.

Please wait for the details of the meeting to be revealed before any action against the club is planned.

C.O.Y.B.

Z

[BlueLowen]

moondog, on 06 November 2016 - 10:57 PM, said:

I've not changed one iota mate and can assure you there are no lap dogs amongst the group co-opted to attend this meeting. I also don't see a single posturing post over being chosen, if I've missed it provide the post number.

Incidentally how would you have handled being asked to put a limited group together?

you could have held a raffle £20 a ticket

[dim view]

Zorro, on 10 November 2016 - 03:33 PM, said:

As a CEO, he is like a fish out of water and the blame must lie with DA & the board for placing him in this role. Alan Sugar would struggle to turn the club into a profiteering business with the current structure.


Please wait for the details of the meeting to be revealed before any action against the club is planned.

C.O.Y.B.

I don't think the Board placed him in the role. DA knew all about CT's strengths and there is no evidence that he regrets his action.

I agree with what you say about action.

[For your eyes only]

dim view, on 10 November 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

He listened, waffled, blustered, made some ridiculous excuses (such as LS's value as a youth coach outweighs his deficiencies)

This bit just goes to show that Chris Turner does not listen and is completely unaware of what's been happening.
Value LS as a coach? Why doesn't he ask the ex squad how valued he was when LS demoted Sean O'Neill & took his squad off him, after LS & Sean had words over cross coaching in a match.
They were not happy. They didn't want LS and told him so too, all LS could say was 'I don't know what their problem is I'm the better coach'
Erm...no. Not actually.
Sean O'Neill was and still is a better coach than LS will ever be.
Why doesn't Chris Turner ask the ex employee who used to do LS's set coaching pieces for him for sessions?
Ask the squads if his consistent lateness which had them sitting waiting for him in a minibus ready to train for an hour at a time had an effect on their mentality and eagerness to learn that day.

Unbelievable. The man needs to wake up.

[DIFH]

BodieUK, on 10 November 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

Agreed.

Respect to them all for making the first step towards building bridges with the fans, but having CT in a more "Football-Focused" role will surely be more beneficial and suited to both himself and the club.

We need someone (with experience) who is going to come in and be ruthless with cutting costs

Disagree in that CT has a conflict of interest.