[Sammy Spireite]

Stents, on 11 October 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

How would people feel about him playing for us if he is found guilty again?

Don't wish to keep dragging up the past with regards to past players and current employees but we've had players who've done much worse.

[Sammy Spireite]

latest from the BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/n...-wales-37616871

[Mr Mercury]

Heavy_Soul, on 11 October 2016 - 12:52 PM, said:

This.

He must have something good to come out otherwise they wouldn't have quashed the original conviction?

Exactly what I was thinking, either there's some really valuable new evidence or was it quashed on a technicality regarding the previous judges direction to the jury. I really can't remember.

[Heavy_Soul]

You can follow live on Sky news

Speaking to an ex of the alleged victim now and he says she would ask what happened the night before when she didn't seem to drunk night before

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 11 October 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

Exactly what I was thinking, either there's some really valuable new evidence or was it quashed on a technicality regarding the previous judges direction to the jury. I really can't remember.

It was on the basis of new evidence that the retrial was ordered

They had already appealed on the basis of the judges summing up and failed

[Mr Mercury]

azul, on 11 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

It was on the basis of new evidence that the retrial was ordered

They had already appealed on the basis of the judges summing up and failed

Cheers, but as yet no new evidence appears to have been presented?

[Heavy_Soul]

Mr Mercury, on 11 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Cheers, but as yet no new evidence appears to have been presented?

It has now I believe. A friend of the victim who has had sexual relations with her has come forward. Relations after the alleged rape aswell.

[Westbars Spireite]

Heavy_Soul, on 11 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

It has now I believe. A friend of the victim who has had sexual relations with her has come forward. Relations after the alleged rape aswell.

Former friend now.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Heavy_Soul, on 11 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

It has now I believe. A friend of the victim who has had sexual relations with her has come forward. Relations after the alleged rape aswell.

Per Sky TV and the BBC website, The prosecution asked the friend if his coming forward was anything to do with the £50,000 reward offered by an Evans website to anyone who came forward with new evidence. No, replied the friend.

I believe we are not allowed to comment on this, just report what was said in court.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 11 October 2016 - 04:42 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Per Sky TV and the BBC website, The prosecution asked the friend if his coming forward was anything to do with the £50,000 reward offered by an Evans website to anyone who came forward with new evidence. No, replied the replied.

I believe we are not allowed to comment on this, just report what was said in court.

All the Tweets from court are little more than quotes.

[Cheshunt Spireite]

The currently anonymous man who appears to be giving new evidence is also being forced to deny that he responded to a reward of £50,000 for someone to step forward, so the question will be why it's taken this long to give evidence if he's not doing it for the financial gain (which he's denied receiving). It could be fear of being caught up in a false investigation and/or his name being linked to a rape, which no one wants, but whatever the reason his evidence will be heavily scrutinised and it would be fair to expect an investigation into whether or not he received the money.

As to whether he should be allowed to continue at the club if found guilty, it should come down to showing remorse. If Evans is found guilty and shows that he is truly sorry for what he's done, then let him carry on. McCormick has made a career after showing remorse, and Plymouth don't seem to have suffered long term from signing him. The problem will occur if he's found guilty and doesn't change his tune, then that's grounds to release him as the clubs name will be dragged in the excrement for as long as he's at the club and likely longer.

There's a difference between doing something wrong and understanding you've done something wrong. Doing the first but failing the second does not mean you have grounds to protest innocence, which is what I suspect has happened here. I don't believe that Evans is a sexual predator who attacks women, but I am leaning to the belief that he failed to understand the situation and was lead by his desires which caused him to commit a criminal offense.

[bifocart]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

The currently anonymous man who appears to be giving new evidence is also being forced to deny that he responded to a reward of £50,000 for someone to step forward, so the question will be why it's taken this long to give evidence if he's not doing it for the financial gain (which he's denied receiving). It could be fear of being caught up in a false investigation and/or his name being linked to a rape, which no one wants, but whatever the reason his evidence will be heavily scrutinised and it would be fair to expect an investigation into whether or not he received the money.

As to whether he should be allowed to continue at the club if found guilty, it should come down to showing remorse. If Evans is found guilty and shows that he is truly sorry for what he's done, then let him carry on. McCormick has made a career after showing remorse, and Plymouth don't seem to have suffered long term from signing him. The problem will occur if he's found guilty and doesn't change his tune, then that's grounds to release him as the clubs name will be dragged in the excrement for as long as he's at the club and likely longer.

There's a difference between doing something wrong and understanding you've done something wrong. Doing the first but failing the second does not mean you have grounds to protest innocence, which is what I suspect has happened here. I don't believe that Evans is a sexual predator who attacks women, but I am leaning to the belief that he failed to understand the situation and was lead by his desires which caused him to commit a criminal offense.

So if hes found guilty but makes a sad enough face he can keep playing for us? No thanks. There's plenty of other ways he can make a living.

This post has been edited by bifocart: 11 October 2016 - 05:15 PM

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Sammy Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

Don't wish to keep dragging up the past with regards to past players and current employees but we've had players who've done much worse.

Reading the updates today, the most puzzling part in all of this remains the position of Evans' girlfriend and her family.

1) We know that he cheated on his girlfriend.

2) We know that someone has accused him of rape.

3) We know that Evans was sentenced to 5 years' imprisonment.

4) We know that he's currently involved in a retrial.

Given the position of his girlfriend, why would she want her family name associated with that lot? There will also come a point in the future where she will have to explain to their children all about their dad's background.

Call me old fashioned, but Evans' girlfriend should value herself and her family's name much higher than what she has done to date.

[Heavy_Soul]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

The currently anonymous man who appears to be giving new evidence is also being forced to deny that he responded to a reward of £50,000 for someone to step forward, so the question will be why it's taken this long to give evidence if he's not doing it for the financial gain (which he's denied receiving). It could be fear of being caught up in a false investigation and/or his name being linked to a rape, which no one wants, but whatever the reason his evidence will be heavily scrutinised and it would be fair to expect an investigation into whether or not he received the money.

As to whether he should be allowed to continue at the club if found guilty, it should come down to showing remorse. If Evans is found guilty and shows that he is truly sorry for what he's done, then let him carry on. McCormick has made a career after showing remorse, and Plymouth don't seem to have suffered long term from signing him. The problem will occur if he's found guilty and doesn't change his tune, then that's grounds to release him as the clubs name will be dragged in the excrement for as long as he's at the club and likely longer.

There's a difference between doing something wrong and understanding you've done something wrong. Doing the first but failing the second does not mean you have grounds to protest innocence, which is what I suspect has happened here. I don't believe that Evans is a sexual predator who attacks women, but I am leaning to the belief that he failed to understand the situation and was lead by his desires which caused him to commit a criminal offense.

He will remain anonymous I believe as he knows the alleged victim.

[dim view]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

As to whether he should be allowed to continue at the club if found guilty, it should come down to showing remorse. If Evans is found guilty and shows that he is truly sorry for what he's done, then let him carry on....

....presumably, as appeal judges have directed that the whole process had to start again, he can appeal if he is found guilty. That being the case, we could employ him until the appeal fails.

This post has been edited by dim view: 11 October 2016 - 06:02 PM

[Dave Richardson]

Sammy Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

Don't wish to keep dragging up the past with regards to past players and current employees but we've had players who've done much worse.

Sorry if I missed this in earlier posts. But who and what exactly?

[Westbars Spireite]

Dave Richardson, on 11 October 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

Sorry if I missed this in earlier posts. But who and what exactly?

Bob Newton for one.

[Zeus]

danblue, on 11 October 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

I've said before- its where do people draw the line.
There are players that hammer hard drugs, killed kids in drunken/drug road crashes, maimed people, beat women. Personally, anyone committing a serious crime (like above) is done for me.

You think snorting a bit of coke is as bad as raping a woman?

[tapton-one]

freelander2, on 11 October 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

Reading the updates today, the most puzzling part in all of this remains the position of Evans' girlfriend and her family.

1) We know that he cheated on his girlfriend.

2) We know that someone has accused him of rape.

3) We know that Evans was sentenced to 5 years' imprisonment.

4) We know that he's currently involved in a retrial.

Given the position of his girlfriend, why would she want her family name associated with that lot? There will also come a point in the future where she will have to explain to their children all about their dad's background.

Call me old fashioned, but Evans' girlfriend should value herself and her family's name much higher than what she has done to date.

Wasn't it the police that charged him with rape? Rather than the woman accuse him of it.

This post has been edited by tapton-one: 11 October 2016 - 07:22 PM

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 11 October 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

The currently anonymous man who appears to be giving new evidence is also being forced to deny that he responded to a reward of £50,000 for someone to step forward, so the question will be why it's taken this long to give evidence if he's not doing it for the financial gain (which he's denied receiving). It could be fear of being caught up in a false investigation and/or his name being linked to a rape, which no one wants, but whatever the reason his evidence will be heavily scrutinised and it would be fair to expect an investigation into whether or not he received the money.

As to whether he should be allowed to continue at the club if found guilty, it should come down to showing remorse. If Evans is found guilty and shows that he is truly sorry for what he's done, then let him carry on. McCormick has made a career after showing remorse, and Plymouth don't seem to have suffered long term from signing him. The problem will occur if he's found guilty and doesn't change his tune, then that's grounds to release him as the clubs name will be dragged in the excrement for as long as he's at the club and likely longer.

There's a difference between doing something wrong and understanding you've done something wrong. Doing the first but failing the second does not mean you have grounds to protest innocence, which is what I suspect has happened here. I don't believe that Evans is a sexual predator who attacks women, but I am leaning to the belief that he failed to understand the situation and was lead by his desires which caused him to commit a criminal offense.

He isn't at any point, irrespective of the outcome, going to show remorse as he has always said he is innocent. He isn't going to change his mind now