[RikShaw]

MDCCCLXVI, on 14 September 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

So Dave Allen himself attended the opening of a separate enterprise that had no financial connection to CFC?

Quote from the Chairman's Report in the 2015 Financial Statement:

"Our Pioneering Player Progression Pathway, under the direction of Liam Sutcliffe, continues to recruit and develop players for the academy and there are currently over 600 youngsters associated with the club as a result of this scheme."

The use of the words "our" and "club", for me at least do not imply the PPP being a separate enterprise.

[Bonnyman]

Maverick, on 15 September 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Quote from the Chairman's Report in the 2015 Financial Statement:

"Our Pioneering Player Progression Pathway, under the direction of Liam Sutcliffe, continues to recruit and develop players for the academy and there are currently over 600 youngsters associated with the club as a result of this scheme."

The use of the words "our" and "club", for me at least do not imply the PPP being a separate enterprise.

Words like "pioneering" always were laughable,but i suppose it helps the egos of those running it ,if they believe such things.Lets face it who is going to join the PPP at dronfield,it has to get numbers to function and the purpose was player development with a progression to academy ,but if they have small numbers they are not going to send players to chesterfield as it impacts on takings.

[Zorro]

Rather than me waiting for someone to announce how many weeks it has been since AC agreed to a meeting, I will let you know that I haven't given up requesting a date.
My last contact with AC was yesterday and no meeting date has been set.
We may not get the meeting that I was expecting for many reasons.

I personally believe that a large 'can of worms' has been opened with questions & grievances that have been posted on this forum.
I personally believe that there is at least 1 person out of the 3 who do not want to hold a meeting and face the fans and the questions.
DA 'maybe' protecting a person or persons or he could be saying that the running of CFC & the PPP has nothing to do with the fans!

However, I have been informed/told that significant changes will be happening behind the scenes at the PPP and we may not be able to discuss the PPP.

That all seems well & good for CFC, but I think that any questions that need asking surrounding factual evidence relating to the PPP & CFC should be asked by the shareholders at this years AGM. Nobody should sweep things under the carpet & fans should not be treated as idiots and 'fobbed' off.

If the club has nothing to hide, then surely a civil meeting between a few fans and a few members of CFC & PPP should take place prior to the AGM to clarify a few worries that fans have.

Mavericks post referring to the Chairman's report "Our Pioneering Player Progression Pathway, under the direction of Liam Sutcliffe, continues to recruit and develop players for the academy and there are currently over 600 youngsters associated with the club as a result of this scheme." gives us a reason to ask certain questions.

It's all ambiguous to me, one spokesman says the PPP is not connected to CFC & the other says it is. Why can't we just have clarity? Why can't I see the transparency that was spoken about?

I will keep requesting a meeting in the hope that someone will grow a pair & talk honestly and answer questions, surely if there is nothing to hide then there is no harm in having the meeting??

Z

This post has been edited by Zorro: 15 September 2016 - 03:57 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Zorro, on 15 September 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

Rather than me waiting for someone to announce how many weeks it has been since AC agreed to a meeting, I will let you know that I haven't given up requesting a date.
My last contact with AC was yesterday and no meeting date has been set.
We may not get the meeting that I was expecting for many reasons.

I personally believe that a large 'can of worms' has been opened with questions & grievances that have been posted on this forum.
I personally believe that there is at least 1 person out of the 3 who do not want to hold a meeting and face the fans and the questions.
DA 'maybe' protecting a person or persons or he could be saying that the running of CFC & the PPP has nothing to do with the fans!

However, I have been informed/told that significant changes will be happening behind the scenes at the PPP and we may not be able to discuss the PPP.

That all seems well & good for CFC, but I think that any questions that need asking surrounding factual evidence relating to the PPP & CFC should be asked by the shareholders at this years AGM. Nobody should sweep things under the carpet & fans should not be treated as idiots and 'fobbed' off.

If the club has nothing to hide, then surely a civil meeting between a few fans and a few members of CFC & PPP should take place prior to the AGM to clarify a few worries that fans have.

Mavericks post referring to the Chairman's report "Our Pioneering Player Progression Pathway, under the direction of Liam Sutcliffe, continues to recruit and develop players for the academy and there are currently over 600 youngsters associated with the club as a result of this scheme." gives us a reason to ask certain questions.

It's all ambiguous to me, one spokesman says the PPP is not connected to CFC & the other says it is. Why can't we just have clarity? Why can't I see the transparency that was spoken about?

I will keep requesting a meeting in the hope that someone will grow a pair & talk honestly and answer questions, surely if there is nothing to hide then there is no harm in having the meeting??Z

Aha! I think I've found the source of the problem...

Thanks for your efforts anyway, Rob.

(PS: three weeks, by the way.)

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 15 September 2016 - 04:13 PM

[Mrhappy]

freelander2, on 14 September 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

Point 4,

@CFCINTACADEMY: We have two squads of players at U19 level and league fixtures were released yesterday. Let's get it on!#MakeItHappen
27/08/16 16:53

Out of interest, does anyone know which league these u19's are playing in? Why are they not playing in the same league as last season? One which runs for DC teams.

[Lincs Spireite]

Zorro, on 15 September 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

Rather than me waiting for someone to announce how many weeks it has been since AC agreed to a meeting, I will let you know that I haven't given up requesting a date.
My last contact with AC was yesterday and no meeting date has been set.
We may not get the meeting that I was expecting for many reasons.

I personally believe that a large 'can of worms' has been opened with questions & grievances that have been posted on this forum.
I personally believe that there is at least 1 person out of the 3 who do not want to hold a meeting and face the fans and the questions.
DA 'maybe' protecting a person or persons or he could be saying that the running of CFC & the PPP has nothing to do with the fans!

However, I have been informed/told that significant changes will be happening behind the scenes at the PPP and we may not be able to discuss the PPP.

That all seems well & good for CFC, but I think that any questions that need asking surrounding factual evidence relating to the PPP & CFC should be asked by the shareholders at this years AGM. Nobody should sweep things under the carpet & fans should not be treated as idiots and 'fobbed' off.

If the club has nothing to hide, then surely a civil meeting between a few fans and a few members of CFC & PPP should take place prior to the AGM to clarify a few worries that fans have.

Mavericks post referring to the Chairman's report "Our Pioneering Player Progression Pathway, under the direction of Liam Sutcliffe, continues to recruit and develop players for the academy and there are currently over 600 youngsters associated with the club as a result of this scheme." gives us a reason to ask certain questions.

It's all ambiguous to me, one spokesman says the PPP is not connected to CFC & the other says it is. Why can't we just have clarity? Why can't I see the transparency that was spoken about?

I will keep requesting a meeting in the hope that someone will grow a pair & talk honestly and answer questions, surely if there is nothing to hide then there is no harm in having the meeting??

Z

I have a feeling you have hit the nail totally on the head with your supposition that DA is protecting someone, and more importantly running of CFC and PPP is his, and has nothing to do with the fans.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Mrhappy, on 15 September 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Out of interest, does anyone know which league these u19's are playing in? Why are they not playing in the same league as last season? One which runs for DC teams.

I'm assuming this one:
http://full-time.the...eague=354158995

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

I must've missed the reason why a Chesterfield team, bearing the Chesterfield name, Chesterfield badge and associating itself with the Chesterfield brand is playing as far away as Eastwood?

[Mrhappy]

freelander2, on 15 September 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

I'm assuming this one:
http://full-time.the...eague=354158995

Ok, so just the one team? I understand there were two last year. Also this season the teams appear more local........cost cutting maybe???

This post has been edited by Mrhappy: 15 September 2016 - 09:14 PM

[moondog]

Mrhappy, on 15 September 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Ok, so just the one team? I understand there were two last year. Also this season the teams appear more local........cost cutting maybe???

There are two divisions North & South "we" are in the North one but will play home games in the South at Eastwood

Yes there were 2 U 19 teams last year although "we" struggled to fulfil the fixtures playing at least one game with 9 players

[dim view]

Zorro, on 15 September 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

I will keep requesting a meeting in the hope that someone will grow a pair & talk honestly and answer questions, surely if there is nothing to hide then there is no harm in having the meeting??

Z

heyup Z.

Even if there is/was something to hide, it's still best to hold the meeting. That's what people with integrity do. Take it on the chin, admit errors, apologise, promise not to make the same mistakes again, make improvements, and start again with a clean sheet. It might be slightly embarrassing and humiliating in the short term, but people get over it.

DA and AC want CT in post, so this is the best way forward. In fact, it may even turn out that the accusers are wrong and there is nothing to hide.

It was confirmed to me yesterday that DA will not allow a meeting to happen, which is short sighted. The Board's plan is to ride it out at the AGM having made some changes which they think will appease protesters. They have already started practicing their lines and are up for a fight.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dim view, on 16 September 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

heyup Z.

Even if there is/was something to hide, it's still best to hold the meeting. That's what people with integrity do. Take it on the chin, admit errors, apologise, promise not to make the same mistakes again, make improvements, and start again with a clean sheet. It might be slightly embarrassing and humiliating in the short term, but people get over it.

DA and AC want CT in post, so this is the best way forward. In fact, it may even turn out that the accusers are wrong and there is nothing to hide.

It was confirmed to me yesterday that DA will not allow a meeting to happen, which is short sighted. The Board's plan is to ride it out at the AGM having made some changes which they think will appease protesters. They have already started practicing their lines and are up for a fight.

If there is anyone inside the corridors of power trying to get to the bottom this lot, I bet there are some interesting conversations if they have access to th clubs full accounts and financial records. Presumably they will show one way or another if there is a relationship with the ppp or not.

I'm sure though if everyone puts their head in the sand and delays any meetings, forums long enough then it will all blow over and people will just forget about it.

[Mrhappy]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 16 September 2016 - 08:12 AM, said:

If there is anyone inside the corridors of power trying to get to the bottom this lot, I bet there are some interesting conversations if they have access to th clubs full accounts and financial records. Presumably they will show one way or another if there is a relationship with the ppp or not.

I'm sure though if everyone puts their head in the sand and delays any meetings, forums long enough then it will all blow over and people will just forget about it.

I don't think it will blow over, more revelations may well be thrown up, and more mistakes will no doubt happen.

[The Black Triangle]

dim view, on 16 September 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

heyup Z.

Even if there is/was something to hide, it's still best to hold the meeting. That's what people with integrity do. Take it on the chin, admit errors, apologise, promise not to make the same mistakes again, make improvements, and start again with a clean sheet. It might be slightly embarrassing and humiliating in the short term, but people get over it.

DA and AC want CT in post, so this is the best way forward. In fact, it may even turn out that the accusers are wrong and there is nothing to hide.

It was confirmed to me yesterday that DA will not allow a meeting to happen, which is short sighted. The Board's plan is to ride it out at the AGM having made some changes which they think will appease protesters. They have already started practicing their lines and are up for a fight.

This is all very strange. Covering up lies and deciptful actions, such as James Higgins while preparing themselves for "a fight"! doesn't the stubborn old goat realise it's his customers, not "ordinary" shareholders he is taking on? None of it makes any sense at all. I can only think that Allen has been sold the idea of debt reduction through player sales to the point he does not care one iota who the CEO and the PPP associate themselves with as long as kids are brought in to be fattened up ready for slaughter. Indeed any means of generating revenues is acceptable, regardless of how honest it is.

[Andy Spireite]

The Gimp, on 16 September 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

This is all very strange. Covering up lies and deciptful actions, such as James Higgins while preparing themselves for "a fight"! doesn't the stubborn old goat realise it's his customers, not "ordinary" shareholders he is taking on? None of it makes any sense at all. I can only think that Allen has been sold the idea of debt reduction through player sales to the point he does not care one iota who the CEO and the PPP associate themselves with as long as kids are brought in to be fattened up ready for slaughter. Indeed any means of generating revenues is acceptable, regardless of how honest it is.

But as at the last accounts debt wasn't coming down through player sales, it was going up despite player sales.

[Tha Knows...]

dim view, on 16 September 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

heyup Z.

Even if there is/was something to hide, it's still best to hold the meeting. That's what people with integrity do. Take it on the chin, admit errors, apologise, promise not to make the same mistakes again, make improvements, and start again with a clean sheet. It might be slightly embarrassing and humiliating in the short term, but people get over it.

DA and AC want CT in post, so this is the best way forward. In fact, it may even turn out that the accusers are wrong and there is nothing to hide.

It was confirmed to me yesterday that DA will not allow a meeting to happen, which is short sighted. The Board's plan is to ride it out at the AGM having made some changes which they think will appease protesters. They have already started practicing their lines and are up for a fight.

Hopefully someone will give them a "fight" as nobody did at the last AGM according to what I read on here. DA blocking the meeting is deplorable if true

[Tha Knows...]

The Gimp, on 16 September 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

This is all very strange. Covering up lies and deciptful actions, such as James Higgins while preparing themselves for "a fight"! doesn't the stubborn old goat realise it's his customers, not "ordinary" shareholders he is taking on? None of it makes any sense at all. I can only think that Allen has been sold the idea of debt reduction through player sales to the point he does not care one iota who the CEO and the PPP associate themselves with as long as kids are brought in to be fattened up ready for slaughter. Indeed any means of generating revenues is acceptable, regardless of how honest it is.

If you don't mind paying you might be able to get on the playing staff yourself Gimpy 😆

[Paul Fisher]

moondog, on 15 September 2016 - 09:42 PM, said:

There are two divisions North & South "we" are in the North one but will play home games in the South at Eastwood

Yes there were 2 U 19 teams last year although "we" struggled to fulfil the fixtures playing at least one game with 9 players

There was a U21 side in this league last year. This season there is an Under 21 and Under 19 side playing in their respective year groups as you can see via the North Midlands FA website.

I'm surprised the PPP were allowed in considering the amount of Admin Fines they had accrued.

[E PRESLEY]

dim view, on 16 September 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

heyup Z.

Even if there is/was something to hide, it's still best to hold the meeting. That's what people with integrity do. Take it on the chin, admit errors, apologise, promise not to make the same mistakes again, make improvements, and start again with a clean sheet. It might be slightly embarrassing and humiliating in the short term, but people get over it.

DA and AC want CT in post, so this is the best way forward. In fact, it may even turn out that the accusers are wrong and there is nothing to hide.

It was confirmed to me yesterday that DA will not allow a meeting to happen, which is short sighted. The Board's plan is to ride it out at the AGM having made some changes which they think will appease protesters. They have already started practicing their lines and are up for a fight.

When is the AGM ?

[Mr Mercury]

E PRESLEY, on 16 September 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

When is the AGM ?

I think we get told when the accounts are published, so no news yet. Last year it was late October if I remember.