[jonnythespireite]

Spire-Power, on 29 August 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

Some of this may be against EU law. As for young English players being over paid spoilt etc is it much different abroad?

Yeah the non foreign ( EU at least ) proposal would be illegal.

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

We won't be subject to EU law by 2019, I very much doubt kids at German academies will be the money kids are on in the premier league.

Really?

[Tylerdurdencfc]

jonnythespireite, on 29 August 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Yeah the non foreign ( EU at least ) proposal would be illegal.


Really?

Once we leave the EU fully, foreign kids won't be able to sign for clubs as they won't have met the work permits criteria. It will also see a large reduction of foreign players coming to the premiership as again they won't meet the work permit criteria, so the bang average foreigners on massive wages won't take up squad places.

They will be the same subject to immigration permits as non EU countries and must have played for their country in 75% of internationals in the past two years before a transfer, this automatically denies any kid playing in an academy.

[jonnythespireite]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 09:05 PM, said:

Once we leave the EU fully, foreign kids won't be able to sign for clubs as they won't have met the work permits criteria. It will also see a large reduction of foreign players coming to the premiership as again they won't meet the work permit criteria, so the bang average foreigners on massive wages won't take up squad places.

They will be the same subject to immigration permits as non EU countries and must have played for their country in 75% of internationals in the past two years before a transfer, this automatically denies any kid playing in an academy.

I'm intrigued as to how you know all this given the terms of us leaving the EU haven't even been discussed yet.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

jonnythespireite, on 29 August 2016 - 09:44 PM, said:

I'm intrigued as to how you know all this given the terms of us leaving the EU haven't even been discussed yet.

It's nothing to do with terms of the EU, it's clearly stated under football law you need to meet that criteria in order to obtain a work permit from a non-EU country therefore as we wouldn't be in The EU anymore it would be sensible to assume that the UK immigration and work permits would apply in the same format as non EU countries in future, plus it was talked about in the referendum debates that that is what would happen as the premier league were urging people to vote to remain.

[Heart of a Niven]

Premier league teams to only have a maximum of 30 under 18 academy players

This point is, I believe, the real problem - Premiership teams trawling their nets for anything and everything, regardless of what's right for the individual player.
Look at Fulton. Now from what I've seen he's never going to make it as a goalkeeper at the highest level BUT with some good coaching he could possibly make a decent career at it, at some level or other.
As it stands, he is a Liverpool player and chances are he's been made to feel that he's already made it and that he just needs to sit back and watch the money roll in. The big problem though is that there are hundreds of other kids who have been told exactly the same thing, they and their parents wowed by riches.
All of the suggestions being banded about as remedial measures for the good of the National team are mere sticking plasters to try and heal the severed artery that is the England team and are the result of the Premiership's selfish approach to the game as a whole but, rather than admit their errors, they'll pass the buck down the chain until it lands in the laps of the lower league clubs who have had nothing to do with any of it.
The saddest thing is that, despite people turning from the FL Trophy in their thousands, I can still see lower league CEOs taking their 30 pieces of silver to let this farce continue.

[jonnythespireite]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 09:55 PM, said:

It's nothing to do with terms of the EU, it's clearly stated under football law you need to meet that criteria in order to obtain a work permit from a non-EU country therefore as we wouldn't be in The EU anymore it would be sensible to assume that the UK immigration and work permits would apply in the same format as non EU countries in future, plus it was talked about in the referendum debates that that is what would happen as the premier league were urging people to vote to remain.

I can't be bothered to go into detail at this time of night but it's highly likely that in exchange for trade agreements with EU nations then freedom of movement will be maintained. So for us to maintain an ability to trade on the single market EU nationals will still have a right to freely move to the UK to work.
In other words , what Farage and Johnson were campaigning on was a load of old cock!

[Tylerdurdencfc]

jonnythespireite, on 29 August 2016 - 10:03 PM, said:

I can't be bothered to go into detail at this time of night but it's highly likely that in exchange for trade agreements with EU nations then freedom of movement will be maintained. So for us to maintain an ability to trade on the single market EU nationals will still have a right to freely move to the UK to work.
In other words , what Farage and Johnson were campaigning on was a load of old cock!

The EU can't stop trading with us (ie maintain an ability to trade as you say), the UK would just take them to the WTO for infringement of trade.

[Jud]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

We won't be subject to EU law by 2019

I wouldn't be so sure.

[RGS]

As a Rangers fan I've always been intrigued by the idea of us and them joining the English leagues. It's probably the only way either club will ever be able to compete adequately in Europe (both would eventually reach Premier League and with their fan bases, do quite well)

But I just can't see it happening. I don't think UEFA would let it. And the policing costs/potential for trouble would have politicians dead against it.

[jonnythespireite]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

The EU can't stop trading with us (ie maintain an ability to trade as you say), the UK would just take them to the WTO for infringement of trade.

Right. That'd probably get sorted in a few minutes then. Meanwhile the status quo would remain.

[valemadness]

moondog, on 29 August 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

It's known as the "whole game solution" five divisions of 20 teams to be voted on at next summer football league (EFL) AGM. Clubs losing eight fixtures is beyond a joke, not to mention four less places in the Championship (2nd division)

Bet season ticket prices don't go down to reflect the reduced league games

[60s 70s Spireite]

Heart of a Niven, on 29 August 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

Premier league teams to only have a maximum of 30 under 18 academy players

This point is, I believe, the real problem - Premiership teams trawling their nets for anything and everything, regardless of what's right for the individual player.
Look at Fulton. Now from what I've seen he's never going to make it as a goalkeeper at the highest level BUT with some good coaching he could possibly make a decent career at it, at some level or other.
As it stands, he is a Liverpool player and chances are he's been made to feel that he's already made it and that he just needs to sit back and watch the money roll in. The big problem though is that there are hundreds of other kids who have been told exactly the same thing, they and their parents wowed by riches.
All of the suggestions being banded about as remedial measures for the good of the National team are mere sticking plasters to try and heal the severed artery that is the England team and are the result of the Premiership's selfish approach to the game as a whole but, rather than admit their errors, they'll pass the buck down the chain until it lands in the laps of the lower league clubs who have had nothing to do with any of it.
The saddest thing is that, despite people turning from the FL Trophy in their thousands, I can still see lower league CEOs taking their 30 pieces of silver to let this farce continue.

Excellent points. And it coincides with Patrick Bamford day- when the permanently on loan 'Chelsea' (he has not played for them yet in nearly 5 years); striker finds where his next destination is (Burnley this time) on the loan merry-go round.

[Somerset Spireite]

moondog, on 29 August 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

It's known as the "whole game solution" five divisions of 20 teams to be voted on at next summer football league (EFL) AGM. Clubs losing eight fixtures is beyond a joke, not to mention four less places in the Championship (2nd division)

The Golden Goose has been basted and the oven is on at gas mark V. It won't be too hard to turn one's back on the proposed "solution" to football's woes in this country. All this to serve the needs of the "Eng-er-land" team (who are a rock-bottom joke) and the Best League in The World (© Sky Sports).

All that TV money that the top clubs "earn" seems to insulate them from reality, meaning that, for example, they can spend a fortune on players they formerly owned and let go for a pittance. It all stinks and seems so far divorced from the sport that I am familiar with that I don't even really recognise it at all. I haven't taken an interest in the Premiership for several years now and can't see that I ever will.

[kh83]

frearsghost, on 29 August 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

....is due to begin in season 2019-20. The Daily Telegraph is reporting Celtic and Rangers will be invited to submit a team. Greg Dyke's brainchild I'm told. The clubs are expected to roll over - after compensation for reduced fixtures - and the fans are not likely to be consulted.

Tomorrow's 'game' against Wolves Academy could well become a league fixture some time in the future.

I hope tomorrow's nationwide boycott is a success. It may still be football but not as we know it.

P.S. Just discovered an extra point will be awarded for winning a penalty shoot-out. Give me strength.

If this comes to fruition, we have to make a massive stand against it, a nationwide Football protest will be needed

[Scooby Doo]

Spireite-Karl, on 29 August 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Looks a superb idea to me!


... If you have a look at the link and what the new structed leagues could look like, there's no Mansfield, so it's not all bad

That's not even funny at what point would it affect clubs like Accrington, Crewe and it wouldn't be too long before we became a non league club.

Terrible idea.

[frearsghost]

EFL Trophy boycott protest bites. Games against academy sides particularly embarrassing.

Good overview by the Guardian.

https://www.theguard...amboycott-bites

Note also that I'm not the only one questioning how this game was marketed.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 31 August 2016 - 02:54 PM

[moondog]

Follow this link to see the letter the EFL sent to all clubs about the re-structure proposals, responses due tomorrow, good on those clubs consulting fans...


http://www.fsf.org.u...-taken-to-clubs

[dim view]

moondog, on 01 September 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

Follow this link to see the letter the EFL sent to all clubs about the re-structure proposals, responses due tomorrow, good on those clubs consulting fans...


http://www.fsf.org.u...-taken-to-clubs

CFC does of course have a wonderful opportunity to consult fans during the Pie and Pea and Pint (I think that's what PPP stands for) supper - date soon to be confirmed by AC who is unfortunately currently fighting a losing battle trying to coordinate the diaries of his fellow investors. It must be horrendously difficult.