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azul, on 23 August 2016 - 10:18 AM, said:

That is good information.

Reinforces to me the idea that we should hang on to him and go for the compensation in the summer. All a bit of a gamble though

It would be imperative we make him a good offer to backup our valuation. DA would be squitting himself over that, he might actually agree to re-sign

If there is interest in the player, we'll be keen to get a deal done now.

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 23 August 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

He'll have a struggle to cement a place in thier team. Don't think it is a position they are struggling with. I reckon it is speculate to accumulate on Barnsley's part so they will be trying it on

He won't cement a place in any Championship side for a good bit of time. Any higher league club that buys a winger like Gboly will put him on the bench and use him to chase openings when they are losing; or to bolster an easy win.

I think we have all seen over the last few years that lower division players very often don't cement a place in a higher league- they are soon back out on loan again, but it doesn't stop daft money being paid.

[Westbars Spireite]

If he goes I just hope Allen isn't silly enough not to give Danny a small pot to bring in a couple. Any goodwill generated by two home wins could easily evaporate.

[Zorro]

At last, a football related topic.

From where I am sitting, I believe no club should stand in the way of a player progressing and moving up the ladder, but... we find ourselves in a position for whatever reason (bad management, bad accounting or whatever) that we are short of money. The option to sell will only put a plaster over the problems. Gboly is not worth what people are mentioning at this moment. So would it be a good idea and good for the club to cash in? Personally I think the money that he could be sold for at his current ability will not help CFC 1 iota. Gboly is an important part within the CFC playing team atm and we should keep him here as long as we possibly can. Ched Evans needs the service of players like Gboly & Dan Jones. Jones is out so it is important Danny is allowed to keep hold of Gboly at least until January. Gboly has 3-4 months to put himself in the shop window and to be spotted by better teams than Barnsley. Come January he could have a few clubs interested in him and he would do himself no harm (unless he gets injured) by staying with us. Just because Barnsley have put a few bids in doesn't mean he will be playing first team football if he joins them. The lad needs football regularly, this is the only way he can improve. CFC have a decision to make, they can either accept a bid, let him go and put some money in the bank. They 'could' look for another replacement as I feel Mitchell is not quite ready. Or they could hold onto him, hope he sets the world on fire and improves as a player and helps CFC secure a 'decent' season and then let him go either in January or on a free transfer with a fee set by the panel. Gboly will improve, his valuation will increase. Let the club think of the fans for a change and hang on to somebody who I think is an asset to the club.

These are my views and my opinions only.

Z

[Westbars Spireite]

We know they're your views and opinions Zorro as you posted them. Disclaimer not needed.

(You sum it up correctly though)

[Tha Knows...]

Totally agree Z . He needs games atm not sitting on a championship bench all season. Expect they will sell

This post has been edited by Spire-Power: 23 August 2016 - 01:22 PM

[Lincs Spireite]

Zorro, on 23 August 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

At last, a football related topic.

From where I am sitting, I believe no club should stand in the way of a player progressing and moving up the ladder, but... we find ourselves in a position for whatever reason (bad management, bad accounting or whatever) that we are short of money. The option to sell will only put a plaster over the problems. Gboly is not worth what people are mentioning at this moment. So would it be a good idea and good for the club to cash in? Personally I think the money that he could be sold for at his current ability will not help CFC 1 iota. Gboly is an important part within the CFC playing team atm and we should keep him here as long as we possibly can. Ched Evans needs the service of players like Gboly & Dan Jones. Jones is out so it is important Danny is allowed to keep hold of Gboly at least until January. Gboly has 3-4 months to put himself in the shop window and to be spotted by better teams than Barnsley. Come January he could have a few clubs interested in him and he would do himself no harm (unless he gets injured) by staying with us. Just because Barnsley have put a few bids in doesn't mean he will be playing first team football if he joins them. The lad needs football regularly, this is the only way he can improve. CFC have a decision to make, they can either accept a bid, let him go and put some money in the bank. They 'could' look for another replacement as I feel Mitchell is not quite ready. Or they could hold onto him, hope he sets the world on fire and improves as a player and helps CFC secure a 'decent' season and then let him go either in January or on a free transfer with a fee set by the panel. Gboly will improve, his valuation will increase. Let the club think of the fans for a change and hang on to somebody who I think is an asset to the club.

These are my views and my opinions only.

Z

Very accurate assessment in my opinion Z . Any chance of e-mailing your post to the board ?

[Phil V 72]

Sadly, a similar discussion happens every time a player attracts any sort of interest - the same, quite valid, reasons for 'why he should stay' are put forward. I did it myself with Tendayi, Roberts and Morsy but it seems to me the situation is - the financial situation at CFC means they are a selling club, everyone is for sale at the right price and at least part of the business model is on the basis that player sales are necessary to prevent them from making a heavy loss.

Therefore, as soon as a club meets CFC's valuation, Gboly will leave

[kh83]

Totally agree with Z.
Would be a terrible move for the player and the club and the team if we where to Sell him now.

Player - Although he has come on well and is starting to look like a really dangerous winger, he still needs to develop a lot to get to the standard his potential suggests. Him moving to Barnsley to be an impact sub is only going to halt his development, staying here playing a major role every week and building the consistency that he lacked last season will see him develop greatly.

The club - would then be in a position to sell him for a bigger fee in January, possibly with a bidding war if a few teams have started notice him.

Team - Bolly will no doubt be a major player in the first team and play a massive contribution to us getting us many points on the board as possible before the end of January, putting us in a good position to stay in the league as a minimum.

To me and probably most people involved with the club it makes complete sense to keep hold of him until at least January, my only worry is when it comes to Chris Turner, sense is not something he is blessed with.

[azul]

Phil V 72, on 23 August 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Sadly, a similar discussion happens every time a player attracts any sort of interest - the same, quite valid, reasons for 'why he should stay' are put forward. I did it myself with Tendayi, Roberts and Morsy but it seems to me the situation is - the financial situation at CFC means they are a selling club, everyone is for sale at the right price and at least part of the business model is on the basis that player sales are necessary to prevent them from making a heavy loss.

Therefore, as soon as a club meets CFC's valuation, Gboly will leave

Big difference is that none of those mentioned would qualify for compensation and also GBoly probably has more room for improvement than those. The fee will be swallowed up by our incompetent leaders, and as someone else said, paying SEB off. Time to speculate to accumulate DA

Last para is correct though as the above won't even register with powers that be.

[Stockholm Spireite]

Quick question: why has the latest "jewel in our crown" / sellable asset been allowed to enter the last year of his contract and the club yet again be put in this position?

Do certain people learn nothing from previous experience? If he is so highly rated by Uncle Dave and was going to feature so heavily this season, why weren't terms offered a while ago to keep this from happening?

[Zorro]

Stockholm Spireite, on 23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Quick question: why has the latest "jewel in our crown" / sellable asset been allowed to enter the last year of his contract and the club yet again be put in this position?

And that my friend is the best question I have seen on here this month.

Z

[Waller is my hero]

Stockholm Spireite, on 23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Quick question: why has the latest "jewel in our crown" / sellable asset been allowed to enter the last year of his contract and the club yet again be put in this position?

Do certain people learn nothing from previous experience? If he is so highly rated by Uncle Dave and was going to feature so heavily this season, why weren't terms offered a while ago to keep this from happening?

Because we seem to have a distinct lack of foresight (unlike what we did with Eoin Doyle)

You could see GA had the potential in him (in flashes) last season & should have looked at a contract extension then....jesus, if i could see it last season (& yes, i said he could be our next £1m sale)..then it s a shame football experts couldn't!

Still think we hold a lot of the cards in this saga - we hold out for £1m+ & sell on....or wait until end of season & get compo!! (which i still think will be a sizeable sum, especially if he consistantly performs well over the season & bigger & better clubs start knocking on his door)

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Stockholm Spireite, on 23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Quick question: why has the latest "jewel in our crown" / sellable asset been allowed to enter the last year of his contract and the club yet again be put in this position?

Do certain people learn nothing from previous experience? If he is so highly rated by Uncle Dave and was going to feature so heavily this season, why weren't terms offered a while ago to keep this from happening?

I suspect it all boils down to the same thing. The player & his agent fancy their chances elsewhere and we will be keen to plug this season's shortfall in income.

[60s 70s Spireite]

It was all discussed here. Presumably the club don't read this board
http://www.thecfss.c...pic=57461&st=20

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 23 August 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:

It was all discussed here. Presumably the club don't read this board
http://www.thecfss.c...pic=57461&st=20

It was being dicussed at the beginning of last season

http://www.thecfss.c...1

People impressed with SEB as well (cough)

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[Tha Knows...]

Waller is my hero, on 23 August 2016 - 04:53 PM, said:

Because we seem to have a distinct lack of foresight (unlike what we did with Eoin Doyle)

You could see GA had the potential in him (in flashes) last season & should have looked at a contract extension then....jesus, if i could see it last season (& yes, i said he could be our next £1m sale)..then it s a shame football experts couldn't!

Still think we hold a lot of the cards in this saga - we hold out for £1m+ & sell on....or wait until end of season & get compo!! (which i still think will be a sizeable sum, especially if he consistantly performs well over the season & bigger & better clubs start knocking on his door)

We do hold a lot of cards DWT but the owner just wants to claw back money at every opportunity with no regard for the fans. So as soon as a glimmer of hope for a decent season arises it is extinguished like a candle. And this is likely to be a reoccurring scenario until DA is satisfied. I will be surprised if we have Ched beyond January. Next summer at the very latest. The owner will spend the minimum to keep us in L1 as he has decided that's the highest this club should aim for.

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Stockholm Spireite, on 23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Quick question: why has the latest "jewel in our crown" / sellable asset been allowed to enter the last year of his contract and the club yet again be put in this position?

Do certain people learn nothing from previous experience? If he is so highly rated by Uncle Dave and was going to feature so heavily this season, why weren't terms offered a while ago to keep this from happening?

Have you not yet realised it is not just a question of offering a contract extension to a player and he will sign it no matter what. Said player will be influenced by his agent who, in turn, wants the best for his player because the more the player gets the more the agent lines his pockets. DW has said that talks appear to be going well with Gboly but that means nowt if the player, or his agent, can smell more money.

The much lorded CE of Walsall allowed a fair number of last year's play-off squad to run down their contracts if you want to talk your way. However, there is a fair chance that talks had taken place with a number of these players before they packed their bags.

Personally, I don't like seeing good players leave but I must say it is nice that we have now started to see fees being paid for our players rather than them go for nowt.

[Stockholm Spireite]

dtp, on 23 August 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

1 - Have you not yet realised it is not just a question of offering a contract extension to a player and he will sign it no matter what.
2 - Said player will be influenced by his agent who, in turn, wants the best for his player because the more the player gets the more the agent lines his pockets.
3 - DW has said that talks appear to be going well with Gboly but that means nowt if the player, or his agent, can smell more money.

1 - Er, yes. Working in this industry means I 'kind of' get that concept. My point - which you may not have yet realised - is that last year, DW would have been told the budget for this year and to cut his cloth accordingly. Seeing as though DW played Gboly sparingly, but more than Dean Shambles, you could be forgiven if you assumed that Gboly might feature more this season, which he has.

If DW knew that Gboly would feature more and play a more significant role, then you might again assume that he asked his CEO to extend his contract LAST season, so that we didn't face this current again - one that bears more than a passing resemblance to Sam Morsy.

So, if Gboly was upset last year that he didn't get the playing time he wanted before the change in manager, and then saw this and his mood improve under DW, why would he play roulette with his career to such an extent that an untried and unproven L1 player would become a free agent in 12 months, when he wasn't a starter in the XI to begin with?

2 - Player and agent can only become aware of suitors after a string of performances that draw attention. That's only happened this season, according to reports.

3 - This statement would imply that Gboly is 'reasonably' happy with the amount of football at the moment, and the promise of more of the same. Whereas Barnsley or anyone else can offer more money, can they promise him 90 minutes each week? At this stage of his development, he needs to be playing every week in order to keep progressing.

Questions arising from your third point - Is DW directly involved in the contract negotiations, or is that being left to CT? Is CT reporting to DW that things are going well? Is that a help or a hindrance?

[boot]

dtp, on 23 August 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

Have you not yet realised it is not just a question of offering a contract extension to a player and he will sign it no matter what. Said player will be influenced by his agent who, in turn, wants the best for his player because the more the player gets the more the agent lines his pockets. DW has said that talks appear to be going well with Gboly but that means nowt if the player, or his agent, can smell more money.

The much lorded CE of Walsall allowed a fair number of last year's play-off squad to run down their contracts if you want to talk your way. However, there is a fair chance that talks had taken place with a number of these players before they packed their bags.

Personally, I don't like seeing good players leave but I must say it is nice that we have now started to see fees being paid for our players rather than them go for nowt.

Nail on head. I wouldn't be surprised if his agent hasn't been made aware of Barnsley's interest since the end of last season when he ripped them apart for our winning goal. "If he becomes available we're interested." sort of thing. The agent realises his potential as much as we do but I personally think if he gets a full season with us before he goes it will be win-win all round - club, player , agent and fans.