[Westbars Spireite]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 23 June 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

It's a fair comment, and my guess would be that the CCTV and number of consistent witness stories suggests that there was consent viewed by others. There's no CCTV of Evans and no direct witnesses, only a porter outside the room.

What about his brother filming it through the window? Is this the evidence that is now available?

[Cheshunt Spireite]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 June 2016 - 10:37 PM, said:

What about his brother filming it through the window? Is this the evidence that is now available?

Doesn't seem likely- why would his brother wait 4yrs and his brother being in prison for 2.5 of those to present it? If he hadn't deleted the video he would have been forced to show it to the court or face a charge (possibly obstruction of justice or similar), and if he'd sent it on to others the police would have been well within their rights to take contact history and find out who he sent it to.

The video is mentioned in the trial description and doesn't seem to have been used by the prosecution or defence, but then not all details are on it. It could well be that by not fully addressing the video gives a technicality for the conviction to remain dropped, but whether it would be allowed as new evidence when it has been addressed to some degree I just don't know.

[moondog]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 23 June 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

It's a fair comment, and my guess would be that the CCTV and number of consistent witness stories suggests that there was consent viewed by others. There's no CCTV of Evans and no direct witnesses, only a porter outside the room.

McDonald was a witness

[moondog]

Cheshunt Spireite, on 24 June 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

Doesn't seem likely- why would his brother wait 4yrs and his brother being in prison for 2.5 of those to present it? If he hadn't deleted the video he would have been forced to show it to the court or face a charge (possibly obstruction of justice or similar), and if he'd sent it on to others the police would have been well within their rights to take contact history and find out who he sent it to.

The video is mentioned in the trial description and doesn't seem to have been used by the prosecution or defence, but then not all details are on it. It could well be that by not fully addressing the video gives a technicality for the conviction to remain dropped, but whether it would be allowed as new evidence when it has been addressed to some degree I just don't know.

Fairly sure I read the phone video didn't show anything of value

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

Fairly sure I read the phone video didn't show anything of value

It showed his bare ass on top of a lifeless looking woman.

Question is why a man would want a video of his own brother having sex? Very normal behaviour

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

It showed his bare ass on top of a lifeless looking woman.

Question is why a man would want a video of his own brother having sex? Very normal behaviour

Why do you keep making things up ?

As it happens hw waa was probably trying to film McDonald

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Why do you keep making things up ?

As it happens hw waa was probably trying to film McDonald

Making nothing up!

You keep defending him- man crush?

[Rodney's Moustache]

[quote name='moondog' timestamp='1466775745' post='1220281']
Why do you keep making things up ?

He clearly has an agenda `that's got nothing to do with the actual case.Maybe it's envy that he never got to be a pro footballer just a glorified sponge and bucket man.

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

Making nothing up!

You keep defending him- man crush?

Yes you are, constantly, stating what the phone film showed is one, that said victim was lifeless being another that's just in one sentence, if I could be bothered to write a list it would be a long one.


I'm not defending him, his actions on the night left a lot to be desired but I do believe in civil liberties and this case has importance well beyond Evans behaviour

[Goku]

wrong fred

This post has been edited by Goku: 24 June 2016 - 03:56 PM

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Yes you are, constantly, stating what the phone film showed is one, that said victim was lifeless being another that's just in one sentence, if I could be bothered to write a list it would be a long one.


I'm not defending him, his actions on the night left a lot to be desired but I do believe in civil liberties and this case has importance well beyond Evans behaviour

Defending the indefensible.
Try defending someone who deserves it.
Just because he will pull on a Town shirt does not a hero make.

He's toxic-trust me

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

Defending the indefensible.
Try defending someone who deserves it.
Just because he will pull on a Town shirt does not a hero make.

He's toxic-trust me

Nobody deserves being convicted for a crime not committed.

Try substanting your allegations with facts, it seems very clear you can't

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

Nobody deserves being convicted for a crime not committed.

Try substanting your allegations with facts, it seems very clear you can't

I'll carry on thank you very much.
It's called an opinion and its allowable to have one (at least it was under the EU;-)

I simply don't think that scum like Evans should be in the Club we love.
It's the icing on the cake after all the mess that's been happening in the last few months (Development Centre, bonus, Ernies day) etc.

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

I'll carry on thank you very much.
It's called an opinion and its allowable to have one (at least it was under the EU;-)

I simply don't think that scum like Evans should be in the Club we love.
It's the icing on the cake after all the mess that's been happening in the last few months (Development Centre, bonus, Ernies day) etc.

An opinion is one thing, spreading misinformation another

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

An opinion is one thing, spreading misinformation another

We'll agree to disagree

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 04:31 PM, said:

We'll agree to disagree

No we won't

[Bluebelle]

Just received the following from the club :

After careful consideration, we have made the decision to not offer refunds for season tickets.

It has been deemed that this would be setting a precedent when players who certain fans do not approve of are signed in the future.

Kind regards

Karen Wood
Ticket Office Manager & Sales

Ye gods, who else are we planning to sign !

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 24 June 2016 - 04:34 PM, said:

No we won't

Fair enough.
When you've had enough climb out of Cheds backside

Bluebelle, on 24 June 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Just received the following from the club :

After careful consideration, we have made the decision to not offer refunds for season tickets.

It has been deemed that this would be setting a precedent when players who certain fans do not approve of are signed in the future.

Kind regards

Karen Wood
Ticket Office Manager & Sales

Ye gods, who else are we planning to sign !

Adam Johnson has been spoken to I was told

[ash_cfc]

Bluebelle, on 24 June 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Just received the following from the club :

After careful consideration, we have made the decision to not offer refunds for season tickets.

It has been deemed that this would be setting a precedent when players who certain fans do not approve of are signed in the future.

Kind regards

Karen Wood
Ticket Office Manager & Sales

Ye gods, who else are we planning to sign !

I'll give you 50 notes for it if your that unhappy!

[Westbars Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 24 June 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

Fair enough.
When you've had enough climb out of Cheds backside



Adam Johnson has been spoken to I was told

Instead of making things up you're now peddling other people's made up guff!