[spireitenag]

Westbars Spireite, on 21 June 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

There's virtually no chance, in my opinion, that he'll be found guilty again.

His signing probably shows why no real attempt was made to sign Novak. Potentially a better player at a 1/3 of the wages.

With his father-in-law being absolutely minted I'm sure things will have been discussed about extracting cash from his wallet.

I wonder if he's wealthy enough to buy a football club ?

[Westbars Spireite]

spireitenag, on 21 June 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

I wonder if he's wealthy enough to buy a football club ?

I think he is. Would you be surprised if 'sponsorship' of some sort is in the offing?

[firedodger]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Apparently, some New York firefighter (for reasons unknown, somehow had a keen interest in the case) who also masquerades as a hacker, hacked into her already deleted Twitter account and deleted tweets, and managed to unearth a few tweets, one of which being the 'pink minis' tweet...apparently/according to Ched Evans' Facebook profile/according to folk on the Internet...

The firefighter was apparently interested in the civil liberty angle, he managed to hack into the only remaining copies of the messages in a cached copy of the account on a French Twitter server, now that may all be genuine I have no understanding of the workings of Twitter, but it sounds far fetched.

[Misnomer]

spireitenag, on 21 June 2016 - 08:31 PM, said:

I suppose none of us will ever know ?

However I would be surprised if he's found guilty again.

I've heard this 'previous rape allegations' before but I'd love to know the actual source. What the cocaine and cannabis has to do with it, I've absolutely no idea; unless she actually stated she'd taken both that night? Cannabis can be traced in the system for months after use, cocaine can be traced days after...

[Misnomer]

firedodger, on 21 June 2016 - 08:41 PM, said:

The firefighter was apparently interested in the civil liberty angle, he managed to hack into the only remaining copies of the messages in a cached copy of the account on a French Twitter server, now that may all be genuine I have no understanding of the workings of Twitter, but it sounds far fetched.

Doesn't it just...

[mr. smith]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 08:41 PM, said:

I've heard this 'previous rape allegations' before but I'd love to know the actual source. What the cocaine and cannabis has to do with it, I've absolutely no idea; unless she actually stated she'd taken both that night? Cannabis can be traced in the system for months after use, cocaine can be traced days after...

there seems to be a lot of character blackening going on since he became 'our' ched.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

I bet he's the only player in the lower leagues to employ a PR firm!

[Goku]

firedodger, on 21 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Well, now you put it like that.....!?
The Evans case aside for a moment I find it incredible that only around 5% of rape cases actually result in a conviction, and I just don't believe that around 95% of people who make rape allegations are 'making it up'.
So question for our legal experts out there, or PC Norbert, why is it so difficult to get a conviction for rape?

Stab in the dark but would DNA tend to be a big factor in rape cases and I imagine most women wouldn't be buzzing to get swabbed post-rape? And the Dna leaves the system eventually leaving no "evidence"?

Like I say, complete guess

spireitenag, on 21 June 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

Also cannabis and cocaine found in her system.

Why is this relevant?

[Misnomer]

Goku, on 21 June 2016 - 08:53 PM, said:

Stab in the dark but would DNA tend to be a big factor in rape cases and I imagine most women wouldn't be buzzing to get swabbed post-rape? And the Dna leaves the system eventually leaving no "evidence"?

Like I say, complete guess



Why is this relevant?

Mate, I don't get this type of posting; either post the facts, as in it definitely happened, or don't post anything. Stating she made two false rape accusations, stating she tweeted this and that, stating she had cocaine and cannabis in her system; ALL OF WHICH IS THEN NOT REMOTELY SUBSTANTIATED, just appeals to those that are easily persuaded to take a negative view. I'm not saying these things didn't or haven't happened, I've absolutely no idea; but surely one cannot post such things solely based on rumour?

If anyone can substantiate these claims with solid evidence, please feel free to post them...

[trickytrevsfanclub]

firedodger, on 21 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Well, now you put it like that.....!?
The Evans case aside for a moment I find it incredible that only around 5% of rape cases actually result in a conviction, and I just don't believe that around 95% of people who make rape allegations are 'making it up'.
So question for our legal experts out there, or PC Norbert, why is it so difficult to get a conviction for rape?

Because most rape cases aren't so called stranger rapes. Most boil down to one word against the other and the issue of whether or not consent is given. Having been involved in many rape cases the conviction rate doesn't surprise me at all.

[sophocles]

carrie69, on 21 June 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

This is an inherently sensible post. Thank you.

Rubbish - it's a patently unintelligent and irrelevant post because it completely misses the point that the decision of the board brings negative and controversial publicity to CFC whatever the legal outcome.

[sophocles]

Wooly, on 21 June 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

Exactly. He wasn't and still isn't guilty, i'd say good luck to the bloke who's life has been made a complete nightmare for the last four years. Some of you lot ought to be thinking of coming down a few feet from your saddleflaps and think how you're going to feel when he is fully vindicated in October. Which he will.

A very good signing for you, potentially astronomic in fact.

If that happens he will be sold to a Sheffield club for peanuts, and what I will feel is that CT etc have once more stuck two fingers up at CFC supporters.

[Denny]

This might be because I'm not living in town but, today. I reckon I've been asked 30 times how happy I am to be supporting a rapist.
I'm really not happy about this at all. We are gonna get this hassle as long as he is here and for years longer.
I am thankful for misnomer and goku's reaction on here. I read a lot on social media about "rape culture" I didn't think I knew anyone that could even be associated with it. But some comments in here are that to a tee.
If my friends are bit pissed in town I really hope they wander past josh rather than,say, S&D.

[azul]

Denny, on 21 June 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

This might be because I'm not living in town but, today. I reckon I've been asked 30 times how happy I am to be supporting a rapist.
I'm really not happy about this at all. We are gonna get this hassle as long as he is here and for years longer.
I am thankful for misnomer and goku's reaction on here. I read a lot on social media about "rape culture" I didn't think I knew anyone that could even be associated with it. But some comments in here are that to a tee.
If my friends are bit drunk in town I really hope they wander past josh rather than,say, S&D.

I agree with you, some shameful posts about what constitutes rape. The usual suspects are out in force and I find it a bit sad that so many seem to accept it. I guess if it goes right or horribly wrong our beloved board have every right to say, "our fan base was behind us"

Everyone assumes that there is some killer evidence proving his innocence when it might only be some technicallity.

There has been little said in the press so far but October and beyond will be a barbeque with us on spit

[moondog]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 09:22 PM, said:

Mate, I don't get this type of posting; either post the facts, as in it definitely happened, or don't post anything. Stating she made two false rape accusations, stating she tweeted this and that, stating she had cocaine and cannabis in her system; ALL OF WHICH IS THEN NOT REMOTELY SUBSTANTIATED, just appeals to those that are easily persuaded to take a negative view. I'm not saying these things didn't or haven't happened, I've absolutely no idea; but surely one cannot post such things solely based on rumour?

If anyone can substantiate these claims with solid evidence, please feel free to post them...

The cocaine & cannabis is fact, an expert at the trial gave a view about it, will try and find out the evidence for you

[moondog]

moondog, on 21 June 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

The cocaine & cannabis is fact, an expert at the trial gave a view about it, will try and find out the evidence for you

https://www.crimelin...s-chedwyn-evans

[For your eyes only]

seen these links tonight, a bit of info on what new evidence may have been bought to the table at the appeal. Mirror link has a lot more info though

http://www.walesonli...r-ched-10237013

http://www.mirror.co...dossier-6611546

This post has been edited by For your eyes only: 21 June 2016 - 11:08 PM

[Jud]

Denny, on 21 June 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

This might be because I'm not living in town but, today. I reckon I've been asked 30 times how happy I am to be supporting a rapist.
I'm really not happy about this at all. We are gonna get this hassle as long as he is here and for years longer.
I am thankful for misnomer and goku's reaction on here. I read a lot on social media about "rape culture" I didn't think I knew anyone that could even be associated with it. But some comments in here are that to a tee.
If my friends are bit drunk in town I really hope they wander past josh rather than,say, S&D.

Absolutely agree with the last bit of this, Denny. And whilst my argument is that it's hard to voice a legitimate moral concern over town signing a player who at the minute is legally innocent of any charges, this doesn't mean that what he was charged with was anything other than appalling.

Although Search and Destroy will pretty much say anything from behind his copy of The Sun to cause a stir, such is the life of a peabrained bigot, it did concern me massively at the time of Evans conviction and still does now, that all too common response of "who hasn't done that". I haven't, and neither have any of my mates. Because I only associate with folk who enjoy f*cking the conscious. Rape isn't just men hiding in bushes with shanks, waiting to pounce.

And before anyone gets on the defensive, these opinions are not linked to how high my horse is, it's about common decency and respect for other human beings.

This post has been edited by Jud: 21 June 2016 - 11:41 PM

[trickytrevsfanclub]

I don't think anyone could argue that f*****g the unconscious is anything but repugnant. Evans has always claimed that the sex was entirely consensual and that she was an enthusiastic participant.
All the girl has said is she couldn't remember it. This doesn't mean that she didn't consent at the time it only means she can't remember it.
He is saying they had drunken sex, there's a massive difference between drunken sex and having sex with someone who's too drunk to consent.
Thereby lies the issue.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Try following the thread properly before you spout more bollox; what I wrote was about immoral behaviour in general, not directly related to the Ched Evans case.

Let me get this right...so, you are saying she admitted to the police that she consented to both men having sexual intercourse with her but then said, 'actually, I can't remember'......?That's complete fact is it? And, then, the CPS deemed this suitable for trial? And, then, an independent jury, knowing that this is exactly what happened (that she told the police she consented to sexual intercourse but then couldn't remember) convicted a man, on this evidence, of rape? ��

What I'm saying, and let me make this crystal clear as you're obviously pretty thick, is that not remembering is not the same as not giving consent. Both McDonald and Evans claimed the woman enthusiastically had sex with her, concensually. The woman never disputed it (McDonald was acquitted). In fact she only called the police because she lost her wallet (allegedly).

Having sex, and being a bit drunk and 'forgetful', does not make the person you had sex with a rapist. And as a matter of FACT, the bloke who worked at the hotel heard the woman 'squealing' and some grunting and considered nothing dodgy to be going on. The judge apparently misled the jury on what constituted rape, and so on and so on.

Is that clear enough for you?

And as for the CPS, they balls things up all the time. And his conviction is quashed, and as such he is innocent.

Hope that helps.

ps. We're all in awe of what a 'gent' you are, but wouldn't it have been wiser to help that unconcious girl to safety in Faliraki... or did that geezer telling you and your mates to F Off put the wind up you? Wonder what happened after you left Sir Lancelot?

This post has been edited by KevinArnottsGoldenBoot: 22 June 2016 - 02:32 AM