[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

Yes, mate, I'm being honest; I've done it a couple of times. I remember being in Faliraki (?) back in '97...me and a few mates were sat having a drink, late one evening; some lass over the street stumbled along, clearly smashed, and eventually laid down on the floor, star shaped. Some random scumbag was walking past, noted she was out cold, then preceded to pull down her jeans and slide his hand into her knickers. I was disgusted and we let him know it....if memory serves me right he told us to fk off. If we wouldn't have been there, i think he would have raped her. Personally, I think you have serious issues if you are willing to take advantage of a drunken woman, no matter what the circumstances; why does morality go out of the window just because you've had a few....

What a ridiculous example. The woman in question was not unconcious, she'd had the equivalent of 4 or 5 pints, she admitted she 'consented'; but claimed after the fact that she was too drunk to remember.

Do you REALLY think that if the video evidence showed her 'out cold' that the conviction would have been quashed? Really?

The case was a joke. It will cost the taxpayer a fortune; and it has made the law a laughing stock.

[newboldsteve]

longeatonspireite, on 21 June 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

I agree, time to let him get on with his life. When he is found "not guilty" what happens to the time in prison bit? who will pay for that?

nobody he got a fair trial on the evidence. its new evidence that they have found so he has no body to blame but his legal team

[Spire-ite]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 21 June 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

What a ridiculous example. The woman in question was not unconcious, she'd had the equivalent of 4 or 5 pints, she admitted she 'consented'; but claimed after the fact that she was too drunk to remember.

Do you REALLY think that if the video evidence showed her 'out cold' that the conviction would have been quashed? Really?

The case was a joke. It will cost the taxpayer a fortune; and it has made the law a laughing stock.

Spot on.

[moondog]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 21 June 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

What a ridiculous example. The woman in question was not unconcious, she'd had the equivalent of 4 or 5 pints, she admitted she 'consented'; but claimed after the fact that she was too drunk to remember.

Do you REALLY think that if the video evidence showed her 'out cold' that the conviction would have been quashed? Really?

The case was a joke. It will cost the taxpayer a fortune; and it has made the law a laughing stock.

Not seen where she admitted she consented, as far as I recall she claimed she didn't remember anything that happened in the hotel

[Goku]

moondog, on 21 June 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Not seen where she admitted she consented, as far as I recall she claimed she didn't remember anything that happened in the hotel

That was my memory too. She said she couldn't remember owt and it was looked into.

[Misnomer]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 21 June 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

What a ridiculous example. The woman in question was not unconcious, she'd had the equivalent of 4 or 5 pints, she admitted she 'consented'; but claimed after the fact that she was too drunk to remember.

Do you REALLY think that if the video evidence showed her 'out cold' that the conviction would have been quashed? Really?

The case was a joke. It will cost the taxpayer a fortune; and it has made the law a laughing stock.

Try following the thread properly before you spout more bollox; what I wrote was about immoral behaviour in general, not directly related to the Ched Evans case.

Let me get this right...so, you are saying she admitted to the police that she consented to both men having sexual intercourse with her but then said, 'actually, I can't remember'......?That's complete fact is it? And, then, the CPS deemed this suitable for trial? And, then, an independent jury, knowing that this is exactly what happened (that she told the police she consented to sexual intercourse but then couldn't remember) convicted a man, on this evidence, of rape? 😄

[ash_cfc]

Didn't she tweet her mate something about buying them both flash pink minis when it all blows over? Might be completely wrong, just something that I vaguely remember.

[Hoare (400)]

Wont this trial cost the tax payer twice ? Firstly in the cost of a re trial, an secondly if he is found not guilty, then that means there has been a miscarriage of justice, an he will be entitled to 2-4 years loss of earnings because of this?



Hoare (400)

[Misnomer]

ash_cfc, on 21 June 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

Didn't she tweet her mate something about buying them both flash pink minis when it all blows over? Might be completely wrong, just something that I vaguely remember.

Apparently, some New York firefighter (for reasons unknown, somehow had a keen interest in the case) who also masquerades as a hacker, hacked into her already deleted Twitter account and deleted tweets, and managed to unearth a few tweets, one of which being the 'pink minis' tweet...apparently/according to Ched Evans' Facebook profile/according to folk on the Internet...

[firedodger]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Try following the thread properly before you spout more bollox; what I wrote was about immoral behaviour in general, not directly related to the Ched Evans case.

Let me get this right...so, you are saying she admitted to the police that she consented to both men having sexual intercourse with her but then said, 'actually, I can't remember'......?That's complete fact is it? And, then, the CPS deemed this suitable for trial? And, then, an independent jury, knowing that this is exactly what happened (that she told the police she consented to sexual intercourse but then couldn't remember) convicted a man, on this evidence, of rape? 😄

Well, now you put it like that.....!?
The Evans case aside for a moment I find it incredible that only around 5% of rape cases actually result in a conviction, and I just don't believe that around 95% of people who make rape allegations are 'making it up'.
So question for our legal experts out there, or PC Norbert, why is it so difficult to get a conviction for rape?

[Westbars Spireite]

Can we assume he captained the prison team?

[stagmanrob]

From what I gather, she never claimed she was raped at all. She reported to the Police that she had lost her purse and phone, and she couldn't remember a thing. The whole rape thing blew up from there if I remember right.

[Phil V 72]

firedodger, on 21 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Well, now you put it like that.....!?
The Evans case aside for a moment I find it incredible that only around 5% of rape cases actually result in a conviction, and I just don't believe that around 95% of people who make rape allegations are 'making it up'.
So question for our legal experts out there, or PC Norbert, why is it so difficult to get a conviction for rape?

Because it's often one person's word against another, the CPS will only take a case forward if there is a reasonable prospect of winning and then you have to be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Can I just say, one or two posts are straying towards discussing the facts of this particular case. Is this wise, given there is to be another trial?

[spireitenag]

ash_cfc, on 21 June 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

Didn't she tweet her mate something about buying them both flash pink minis when it all blows over? Might be completely wrong, just something that I vaguely remember.

You're not wrong mate.

That was one of a number of posts she made bragging about what she was going to do with the money when she "won big".

Also cannabis and cocaine found in her system.

Finally she has allegedly made two previous allegations of rape which were both found to be false.

However whatever the outcome of his new court hearing his and his friends behaviour that night was totally unacceptable in decent society and showed a complete lack of morals.

My personal opinion is should he be found guilty again and fails to accept responsibility and show remorse his contract should be terminated immediately.

Until then we've signed him and I am prepared to give him the chance to resurrect his career and hopefully conduct himself in a correct and decent manner.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

spireitenag, on 21 June 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

You're not wrong mate.

That was one of a number of posts she made bragging about what she was going to do with the money when she "won big".

Also cannabis and cocaine found in her system.

Finally she has allegedly made two previous allegations of rape which were both found to be false.

However whatever the outcome of his new court hearing his and his friends behaviour that night was totally unacceptable in decent society and showed a complete lack of morals.

My personal opinion is should he be found guilty again and fails to accept responsibility and show remorse his contract should be terminated immediately.

Until then we've signed him and I am prepared to give him the chance to resurrect his career and hopefully conduct himself in a correct and decent manner.

Court case aside, the most baffling part in all of this is the decision of his partner and her family to stand by him!

[spireitenag]

freelander2, on 21 June 2016 - 08:09 PM, said:

Court case aside, the most baffling part in all of this is the decision of his partner and her family to stand by him!

Got to admit that's a strange one.

[Misnomer]

spireitenag, on 21 June 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

You're not wrong mate.

That was one of a number of posts she made bragging about what she was going to do with the money when she "won big".

Also cannabis and cocaine found in her system.

Finally she has allegedly made two previous allegations of rape which were both found to be false.

However whatever the outcome of his new court hearing his and his friends behaviour that night was totally unacceptable in decent society and showed a complete lack of morals.

My personal opinion is should he be found guilty again and fails to accept responsibility and show remorse his contract should be terminated immediately.

Until then we've signed him and I am prepared to give him the chance to resurrect his career and hopefully conduct himself in a correct and decent manner.

Are the alleged previous rape claims legitimate? Who is privy to such information (the alleged attacker(s)) to be able to put it into the public domain?

It's fact cocaine and cannabis were in her system? When was she tested? This absolutely would not tie in with the description of her slurring and seemingly very drunk (witness accounts)....

[Misnomer]

freelander2, on 21 June 2016 - 08:09 PM, said:

Court case aside, the most baffling part in all of this is the decision of his partner and her family to stand by him!

Unfathomable....truly baffling!

[spireitenag]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

Are the alleged previous rape claims legitimate? Who is privy to such information (the alleged attacker(s)) to be able to put it into the public domain?

It's fact cocaine and cannabis were in her system? When was she tested? This absolutely would not tie in with the description of her slurring and seemingly very drunk (witness accounts)....

I suppose none of us will ever know ?

However I would be surprised if he's found guilty again.

[Westbars Spireite]

There's virtually no chance, in my opinion, that he'll be found guilty again.

His signing probably shows why no real attempt was made to sign Novak. Potentially a better player at a 1/3 of the wages.

With his father-in-law being absolutely minted I'm sure things will have been discussed about extracting cash from his wallet.