[Limestone Cowboy]

Out of interest I wonder what the current first team squad think about his signing.

[Misnomer]

Bowzer spirey, on 21 June 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

Some footballers take advantage of females. That is fact like it or not, he is not the first and certainly won't be the last. Some very high profile players are included in that list. It is also true that some females want to ' pull ' a footballer for many reasons, one of them being access to fame and money. Rumour has it that the woman in Ched Evans case was well aware of what was happening to the point of texting the fact to her mates. This puts a totally different slant on the case.

The issue i have with this is: fame, money, and Ched Evans don't go that well together....he was a league one footballer, hardly John Terry status.

[kopgirl]

Limestone Cowboy, on 21 June 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

Out of interest I wonder what the current first team squad think about his signing.

I don't think any of our team would be daft enough to voice a personal opinion on the case or his signing.

[kopgirl]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

The issue i have with this is: fame, money, and Ched Evans don't go that well together....he was a league one footballer, hardly John Terry status.

You'd be surprised. Even non league players have the vultures circling on a Saturday night.

[Bankrobber]

Nerima Spireite, on 21 June 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

What really sticks in my craw in all of this is not the actual signing of Ched Evans; it does make me feel uncomfortable having someone still with a question mark above his morality signing for the club I have cherished all my life, and I do think it is a risk based on the possibility of a guilty verdict in the retrial and the fact that he may have lost whatever prowess as a footballer he may have possessed before all these shenanigans began. The first case far outstrips the second in terms of the fact that if found again guilty, the name of our beloved club is darkened by those in power. What irks me is that despite the fact there'd be obvious reservations and even hostile opposition from supporters who've cheered on our team through the darkest days, especially those with kids searching for role models to identify with - the powers that be have deemed it alright to employ this man without even a token act of acknowledgment for those reservations. They show NO recognition of the feelings of us fans who hold Chesterfield F.C. dearly in our hearts and are generally sticking two fingers up to anyone who cares about where this club is going. They hold us in contempt. That's what I'm so mad about.

Great post.

[Sammy Spireite]

I gather at least 2 of the clubs sponsors have already received a backlash from customers regarding the club decision to sign Ched Evans, knowing of their involvement with the club.

How long before public pressure affects their business to the point where they are forced to pull their sponsorship?

[Goku]

Bowzer spirey, on 21 June 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

Some footballers take advantage of females. That is fact like it or not, he is not the first and certainly won't be the last. Some very high profile players are included in that list. It is also true that some females want to ' pull ' a footballer for many reasons, one of them being access to fame and money. Rumour has it that the woman in Ched Evans case was well aware of what was happening to the point of texting the fact to her mates. This puts a totally different slant on the case.

"Some footballers take advantage of females, like it or not" lol are u seriously validating this and trying to make it out like yeah, it happens, it's okay?

What a terrifying post. This is something I'd have come out with 5 years ago when I was 18.

[Limestone Cowboy]

kopgirl, on 21 June 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think any of our team would be daft enough to voice a personal opinion on the case or his signing.

No surely not,i just wondered in their own minds what they thought that's all.Wouldn't expect any opinions from them.

[For your eyes only]

Sammy Spireite, on 21 June 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

I gather at least 2 of the clubs sponsors have already received a backlash from customers regarding the club decision to sign Ched Evans, knowing of their involvement with the club.

How long before public pressure affects their business to the point where they are forced to pull their sponsorship?

The one thing that worries me, is many parents will have to consider whether they take their children to the matches or not due to chants.
The away fans will bring all kinds of vile abusive chants with them, how the hell are they going to explain that to their kids

[TownRam]

Sammy Spireite, on 21 June 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

I gather at least 2 of the clubs sponsors have already received a backlash from customers regarding the club decision to sign Ched Evans, knowing of their involvement with the club.

How long before public pressure affects their business to the point where they are forced to pull their sponsorship?

Just been past the ground and HTM were removing all their signage. Wonder if Karen Child will be next, with her child foundation can she afford the backlash. Hmmmm.

[Benno Spire]

I have given plenty of thought about this signing before giving a knee-jerk comment. These are my own personal thoughts.

Ched Evans is a high profile media case as shown in previous attempts by him to sign for a football club. This will have many positive and negative effects on Chesterfield FC. Everything we do do will now be under public scrutiny. The first public pre season friendly will see a media frenzy in attendance and many of the games up till his trial will probably see a mix of supporting fans, unsupportive fans, potential political activists and feminist groups. We may even see anger towards Chesterfield fans from opposition fans. In a sadistic sort of way, it may increase attendances due to people attending just to vent anger.

As it stands today, legally Ched Evans is not guilty for the alleged crime and potentially just guilty of stupidity and as such should be allowed to ply his trade, however morally and until proven not guilty in a court is potentially damaged goods and any agreement should have been delayed until after his trial.

However, CFC have taken a very, very brave gamble by offering a contract now because potentially from a football point of view he is an excellent signing probably on the cheap for what we are getting, because if he is found not guilty in October he would have had many more high paid offers on the table. if he is found not guilty and performs very well I would imagine he would be sold in January as other clubs with bigger budgets would feel the heat is off, he is potentially scoring for fun so it may prove a nice windfall from a player sale from nothing. Unfortunately, none of us have a crystal ball to see into the future.

I personally welcome Ched to the club as it stands at the moment purely from a football point of view, and a big town fan as I hope he can make a positive impact on our performances next season. He will get my full support as will every other Chesterfield player when they cross that white line as I feel being negative during a match will be detrimental towards my team.

However I will expect his behaviour off the pitch to be impeccable as he has lots of browny points to redeem.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on Ched Evans and I fully understand that.

If however he is found guilty of rape in his trial in October then Chesterfield FC will be left in a mess, as another player will not be able to be signed, we would look foolish for giving a convicted rapist a platform and it may take a long time for fans of other clubs to forgive.

However if he scores goals that provide success and he is found not guilty, then the club may have just pulled off a masterstroke.

I hope the Directors have fully looked into the details of his trial and are aware of the new evidence to be sure that they have made the right decision.

as someone else has posted, the club may benefit from additional early season televised games and with it additional income.

many celebrities have said before, negative publicity is as good as positive publicity as it keeps them in the limelight.

an interesting few months ahead as a Chesterfield fan.

This post has been edited by Benno Spire: 21 June 2016 - 01:19 PM

[Misnomer]

kopgirl, on 21 June 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

You'd be surprised. Even non league players have the vultures circling on a Saturday night.

Really? I couldn't name one none league player off the top of my head, never mind recognise one....

[Phil V 72]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

Really? I couldn't name one none league player off the top of my head, never mind recognise one....

Danny Whitaker

[Misnomer]

Phil V 72, on 21 June 2016 - 01:22 PM, said:

Danny Whitaker

Cheers, Phil. No disrespect to Danny, but i doubt he'd have so much as a fly circling him, never mind a 'vulture'....

[60s 70s Spireite]

Sammy Spireite, on 21 June 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

I gather at least 2 of the clubs sponsors have already received a backlash from customers regarding the club decision to sign Ched Evans, knowing of their involvement with the club.

How long before public pressure affects their business to the point where they are forced to pull their sponsorship?

I wonder if the views of sponsors were sought before we signed Evans? They certainly didn't consider the views of the fans, especially of the Mums and Dads of young children supporters, who are having to explain to their offspring the term 'rapist'- conviction or no conviction.

[fursty-ferret]

Misnomer, on 21 June 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

It wasn't....some Jock who sounds like he has his own axe to grind. Great advice from him; alas, how does one avoid drunk women on a night out? That's one bored New York firefighter......

What I find really interesting is the behaviour of both of the men. She's clearly in a state, fallen over, (to me, she'd appear to be very drunk); according to Clayton she said "I'm going with you", after just meeting him......Sorry, but my reaction wouldn't be: I'm going to take advantage of this situation and have sex with her...I'd think: she needs to be put in a taxi and taken home.

So you've been out on the town , you've had a fair few drinks and you call for a kebab , an attractive girl who's drunk approaches you in the kebab shop and says to you "where you going ? I am coming with you... " you reply to her " not tonight because your clearly drunk , i will get you a taxi home ".. fair play to you if your being totally honest.
Unfortunately your probably in a minority , the vast majority of men of the nightclub attending age group , certainly in the 80s when i was doing the clubs around town , would see this as an opportunity too good to pass up , a combination of large amounts of alcohol and testostorone dont lead to the wisest of decisions being made.
If you believe the narrative of the " Jock with his own axe to grind " and most of what he says in the podcast is undisputed then its hard to see how Ched Evans was guilty , yet Clayton MacDonald wasnt , end of the day the truth will come out in October , clearly there is new evidence, of which we arent aware, otherwise they wouldnt be having a new trial

This post has been edited by fursty-ferret: 21 June 2016 - 01:48 PM

[Goku]

fursty-ferret, on 21 June 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

So you've been out on the town , you've had a fair few drinks and you call for a kebab , an attractive girl who's drunk approaches you in the kebab shop and says to you "where you going ? I am coming with you... " you reply to her " not tonight because your clearly drunk , i will get you a taxi home ".. fair play to you if your being totally honest.
Unfortunately your probably in a minority , the vast majority of men , certainly in the 80s when i was doing the clubs around town , would see this as an opportunity too good to pass up , a combination of large amounts of alcohol and testostorone dont lead to the wisest of decisions being made.
If you believe the narrative of the " Jock with his own axe to grind " and most of what he says in the podcast is undisputed then its hard to see how Ched Evans was guilty , yet Clayton MacDonald wasnt , end of the day the truth will come out in October , clearly there is new evidence, of which we arent aware, otherwise they wouldnt be having a new trial

Well there's different levels of drunk I guess. I'd wager most of us on here have had drunken sex but hopefully not many have gone back with someone only to find out they're basically paralytic and still gone through with it.

[Lincs Spireite]

Goku, on 21 June 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

"Some footballers take advantage of females, like it or not" lol are u seriously validating this and trying to make it out like yeah, it happens, it's okay?

What a terrifying post. This is something I'd have come out with 5 years ago when I was 18.

Are you serious ? Of course I don't validate or condone this type of behavior, and it's not ok. I was simply pointing out that it happens.

Also there is more 'evidence' apparently that we are not yet aware of.

[Goku]

Bowzer spirey, on 21 June 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

Are you serious ? Of course I don't validate or condone this type of behavior, and it's not ok. I was simply pointing out that it happens.

I'm glad you're here to point such things out to us, we'd have had no idea otherwise.

[brianclose]

TownRam, on 21 June 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

Just been past the ground and HTM were removing all their signage. Wonder if Karen Child will be next, with her child foundation can she afford the backlash. Hmmmm.

This post has been edited by brianclose: 21 June 2016 - 02:15 PM