[Middle East]

Mr Mercury, on 20 June 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

Never ever ever been a stags fan, ever ever ever, I can put mine, my wife's and more importantly my sons life on the line for that.
If I've ever been a stags fan then God strike everyone I've ever loved ever down.
Take all of my families life tonight.
Simple as that, and I mean that totally

That's a no then...

[Mr Mercury]

Middle East, on 20 June 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

That's a no then...

Nope..I could go into my CFC history but I'll let him keep trolling.

[tomjoad]

Never posted on Stagsnet never wanted to and cant really understand why they want to post on here.Still it takes all sorts I suppose.Is being a Stag posting on here a bit like being gay and frightened to admit it? just wondered.....

[Trophy5]

ok freddie,

never have i seen a man protest so much.

I could reveal more intimate details but i wont. i think the more perceptive members here will hopefully see you as the former ex-stag that you are.

[Mr Mercury]

Trophy5, on 20 June 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

ok freddie,

never have i seen a man protest so much.

I could reveal more intimate details but i wont. i think the more perceptive members here will hopefully see you as the former ex-stag that you are.

Go on reveal you have my explicit permission to tell everything you know about me being a stags fan..years I attended, matches I went to, people I went with, pubs I drank in, etc etc etc even post details of the seat I had etc etc..no probs from me if you do.

[paulwardle]

This is a topic that is simply going to run and run and opinions will be divided.

The legal position seems fairly clear. The original conviction has been deemed unsafe due to new evidence and a retrial ordered. Evans has already spent time in prison for something that he now at this moment in time, is not guilty of. He seems to most to have to prove his innocence rather than the cps proving his guilt. There is no denial of his actions, rather than what appears to be a question of consent or not.

People say he should not be playing again until after the trial, but he's already been to prison, and why should he be denied the chance to work again? As for the role model bit, well some footballers are and can be that, others can't, it's the same in all walks of life!

Evans wanders around Alderley Edge in South Manchester regularly, yet I don't believe that people harass him in the street, ignore him or vilify him. Why therefore should we on this message board or within the media until he is found guilty or otherwise? Clearly new evidence has come to light and the courts have decided that he needs to be retried.

The consequences of Chesterfields decision to employ Evans will no doubt play out over the coming months. Whether it is a good or bad decision hinges on two main areas:

1. If he's found guilty at a retrial it will have proved to be a bad decision.
2. If he's lost his football ability it will again be seen as a gamble that hasn't paid off.

If he is found to be innocent and scores the goals clearly he has been capable of in the past, then it will be a great piece of business. That said I am more concerned that we have the right players around him to make sure he gets the ball!!

At 27 he ought to be a good signing, but we will only know sometime in October, until then he needs to get his head down and repay the faith shown in him by Chesterfield in giving him what is likely to be his last chance.

[Westbars Spireite]

Happ Hazzard, on 20 June 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

I am no longer a Chesterfield supporter. This is the end. Hope the club goes bankrupt and I hope Ched Evans rots in hell. They are made for each other. They have betrayed the fans.

Idiot.

[Mr Mercury]

Westbars Spireite, on 20 June 2016 - 10:59 PM, said:

Idiot.

He could come and support Mansfield with me?

[fursty-ferret]

well worth a listen

This post has been edited by fursty-ferret: 20 June 2016 - 11:10 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 20 June 2016 - 11:00 PM, said:

He could come and support Mansfield with me?

What's that bell end on about?

I'd rather be outed as a gay hating, woman oppressing ISIS supporter than a former Stags fan.

[moondog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...-wales-36395329

Trial expected to last two weeks

[Mr Mercury]

Westbars Spireite, on 20 June 2016 - 11:06 PM, said:

What's that bell end on about?

I'd rather be outed as a gay hating, woman oppressing ISIS supporter than a former Stags fan.

I'm awaiting his evidence.

[Jud]

paulwardle, on 20 June 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

This is a topic that is simply going to run and run and opinions will be divided.

The legal position seems fairly clear. The original conviction has been deemed unsafe due to new evidence and a retrial ordered. Evans has already spent time in prison for something that he now at this moment in time, is not guilty of. He seems to most to have to prove his innocence rather than the cps proving his guilt. There is no denial of his actions, rather than what appears to be a question of consent or not.

People say he should not be playing again until after the trial, but he's already been to prison, and why should he be denied the chance to work again? As for the role model bit, well some footballers are and can be that, others can't, it's the same in all walks of life!

Evans wanders around Alderley Edge in South Manchester regularly, yet I don't believe that people harass him in the street, ignore him or vilify him. Why therefore should we on this message board or within the media until he is found guilty or otherwise? Clearly new evidence has come to light and the courts have decided that he needs to be retried.

The consequences of Chesterfields decision to employ Evans will no doubt play out over the coming months. Whether it is a good or bad decision hinges on two main areas:

1. If he's found guilty at a retrial it will have proved to be a bad decision.
2. If he's lost his football ability it will again be seen as a gamble that hasn't paid off.

If he is found to be innocent and scores the goals clearly he has been capable of in the past, then it will be a great piece of business. That said I am more concerned that we have the right players around him to make sure he gets the ball!!

At 27 he ought to be a good signing, but we will only know sometime in October, until then he needs to get his head down and repay the faith shown in him by Chesterfield in giving him what is likely to be his last chance.

Can't argue with anything in this. Good post sir.

[bifocart]

paulwardle, on 20 June 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

This is a topic that is simply going to run and run and opinions will be divided.

The legal position seems fairly clear. The original conviction has been deemed unsafe due to new evidence and a retrial ordered. Evans has already spent time in prison for something that he now at this moment in time, is not guilty of. He seems to most to have to prove his innocence rather than the cps proving his guilt. There is no denial of his actions, rather than what appears to be a question of consent or not.

People say he should not be playing again until after the trial, but he's already been to prison, and why should he be denied the chance to work again? As for the role model bit, well some footballers are and can be that, others can't, it's the same in all walks of life!

Evans wanders around Alderley Edge in South Manchester regularly, yet I don't believe that people harass him in the street, ignore him or vilify him. Why therefore should we on this message board or within the media until he is found guilty or otherwise? Clearly new evidence has come to light and the courts have decided that he needs to be retried.

The consequences of Chesterfields decision to employ Evans will no doubt play out over the coming months. Whether it is a good or bad decision hinges on two main areas:

1. If he's found guilty at a retrial it will have proved to be a bad decision.
2. If he's lost his football ability it will again be seen as a gamble that hasn't paid off.

If he is found to be innocent and scores the goals clearly he has been capable of in the past, then it will be a great piece of business. That said I am more concerned that we have the right players around him to make sure he gets the ball!!

At 27 he ought to be a good signing, but we will only know sometime in October, until then he needs to get his head down and repay the faith shown in him by Chesterfield in giving him what is likely to be his last chance.

Yes, lot of sense in there..anyone with a (thoroughly) quashed conviction is entitled to a life and a career. As is anyone who, having been convicted ,serves their time and comes out again. Id argue though that neither of those conditions yet applies to Evans as he awaits a retrial.
Ive put my two cents in elsewhere ..but if Town are that keen, why not wait till after the trial?
Its a shabby and depressing state of affairs. I cant see any benefits for Town. And for those on this board who do see this solely in football terms, I wouldnt want to stay up or get promoted thanks to a couple of goals from Evans scored in a brief tenure before he began another sentance, should the second verdict go the way of the first.
'Night all.

[dim view]

bifocart, on 21 June 2016 - 12:07 AM, said:

I cant see any benefits for Town. And for those on this board who do see this solely in football terms....

..... it's an extension of the high risk policy to tap the pool of higher level players who can no longer get a contract at that level. It's not worked for Angel, SEB, or Herd. The policy has wasted money so far.

Back to basics - signing good quality L1 players - is too simple for our policy makers.

[dtp]

dim view, on 21 June 2016 - 05:30 AM, said:

..... it's an extension of the high risk policy to tap the pool of higher level players who can no longer get a contract at that level. It's not worked for Angel, SEB, or Herd. The policy has wasted money so far.

Back to basics - signing good quality L1 players - is too simple for our policy makers.

Ched was a quality L1 player when he scored all those goals for that league one team Sheffield United.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 21 June 2016 - 05:30 AM, said:

..... it's an extension of the high risk policy to tap the pool of higher level players who can no longer get a contract at that level. It's not worked for Angel, SEB, or Herd. The policy has wasted money so far.

Back to basics - signing good quality L1 players - is too simple for our policy makers.

Difference is Evans is not a crock like those 3, his body will be fine at 27 and there is no reason why he cannot be better than before,I doubt there is any evidence to prove his body or football will suffer, I hope his previous season starts now though.

[Price]

WhereisBenj, on 20 June 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

Super Ched Evans

Classy

[brockwell-spireite]

Bonnyman, on 21 June 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

Difference is Evans is not a crock like those 3, his body will be fine at 27 and there is no reason why he cannot be better than before,I doubt there is any evidence to prove his body or football will suffer, I hope his previous season starts now though.

There's an arguement that his body will be more than fine having not endured four seasons of 60 odd games a season to his knees and ankles he should be fresh, looking st him he's clearly been keeping fit, he has a lot to prove and owes the club one for taking a chance on him. If the club can get the proper fitness into him over the pre season I don't see how he can't prove to be a quality signing on the field, providing as one poster mentioned... We have players who can get the ball to him in the box...

[moondog]

bifocart, on 21 June 2016 - 12:07 AM, said:

Yes, lot of sense in there..anyone with a (thoroughly) quashed conviction is entitled to a life and a career. As is anyone who, having been convicted ,serves their time and comes out again. Id argue though that neither of those conditions yet applies to Evans as he awaits a retrial.
Ive put my two cents in elsewhere ..but if Town are that keen, why not wait till after the trial?
Its a shabby and depressing state of affairs. I cant see any benefits for Town. And for those on this board who do see this solely in football terms, I wouldnt want to stay up or get promoted thanks to a couple of goals from Evans scored in a brief tenure before he began another sentance, should the second verdict go the way of the first.
'Night all.

I think there has to be a retrial given that the prosection, the Crown, has opposed the significance of the new evidence,

It could well be that the case exposes serious deficiencies within the CPS and/or Police and possibly the Court of Appeal, which is in the public interest to expose. Whilst not condoning his behaviour that night and certainly not rape, Evans could actually be doing the Country a favour for standing his ground over his conviction. The Criminal Cases Review Commision don't make such decisions lightly.

If town waited until after the retrial, they wouldn't have a chance of signing him.

There was no such furore when we signed Terrell Forbes and his alleged victim was underage.


http://news.bbc.co.u...don/4041953.stm


I'm happy to back our manager who knows him well on this one.