[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 05 June 2016 - 09:20 AM, said:

Whitt Wanderers. Coal Aston.

Not county league though which was the original question. You're right though, open up to other leagues and you can add a fair few more.

[dim view]

RGS, on 01 June 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:

Ex PPP coaches, including Spireites legend, set up their own business

http://www.derbyshir...chool-1-7940106

Reading CFC website releases about the success of the Academy, which seems to coincide with the influx of players at all ages from PPP, what I want to know is what effect the demise of PPP will have on Academy recruitment. Will this new business and it's partners maintain the supply line with the same amount of commitment to the CFC Academy? Perhaps the DT can ask them.

IF this new business cannot guarantee that commitment, then DA has to step in to retain PPP as an enterprise.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 05 June 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

Not county league though which was the original question. You're right though, open up to other leagues and you can add a fair few more.

Exactly which shows how many people are involved in local cricket that have nowt to do with Chesterfield CC but live within the DT catchment
area.
Oh and it's Wingerworth S.CC (the "S" representing Saltergate) I believe

[Benno Spire]

clarevoyant., on 05 June 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Exactly which shows how many people are involved in local cricket that have nowt to do with Chesterfield CC but live within the DT catchment
area.
Oh and it's Wingerworth S.CC (the "S" representing Saltergate) I believe

Do Saltegate still play in the over 65,s league?

[clarevoyant.]

Benno Spire, on 05 June 2016 - 10:15 AM, said:

Do Saltegate still play in the over 65,s league?

Are you after a game?

[Johnnyspireite7]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Reading CFC website releases about the success of the Academy, which seems to coincide with the influx of players at all ages from PPP, what I want to know is what effect the demise of PPP will have on Academy recruitment. Will this new business and it's partners maintain the supply line with the same amount of commitment to the CFC Academy? Perhaps the DT can ask them.

IF this new business cannot guarantee that commitment, then DA has to step in to retain PPP as an enterprise.

They could......if they weren't banned! Keep up!

[dim view]

Johnnyspireite7, on 05 June 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

They could......if they weren't banned! Keep up!

Player First and Espial have been banned?
What from?

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 05 June 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

Not county league though which was the original question. You're right though, open up to other leagues and you can add a fair few more.

You listed Hundall who aren't so I thought I would expand

[JonB]

clarevoyant., on 05 June 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Exactly which shows how many people are involved in local cricket that have nowt to do with Chesterfield CC but live within the DT catchment
area.
Oh and it's Wingerworth S.CC (the "S" representing Saltergate) I believe

Yep, a point I've raised earlier in this thread I think regarding local cricket coverage.

Couldn't remember which way round they had it.

Westbars Spireite, on 05 June 2016 - 10:53 AM, said:

You listed Hundall who aren't so I thought I would expand

I refer you to my previous comments regarding a long sunny afternoon in the field!!

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Reading CFC website releases about the success of the Academy, which seems to coincide with the influx of players at all ages from PPP, what I want to know is what effect the demise of PPP will have on Academy recruitment. Will this new business and it's partners maintain the supply line with the same amount of commitment to the CFC Academy? Perhaps the DT can ask them.

IF this new business cannot guarantee that commitment, then DA has to step in to retain PPP as an enterprise.

Its up to chesterfield fc to sort its self out and have paid scouts like proper football clubs do.

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 05 June 2016 - 01:53 PM, said:

Its up to chesterfield fc to sort its self out and have paid scouts like proper football clubs do.

The proof is in the pudding.
CT/LM's system is producing young un's for CFC that are competing with cat 1 clubs. Is that a fact or not?

If only it was run properly

[valemadness]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:

The proof is in the pudding.
CT/LM's system is producing young un's for CFC that are competing with cat 1 clubs. Is that a fact or not?

If only it was run properly

No its not, ct/LS is the development centre/international academy/PPP. The teams that have been competing with cat 1 clubs ie liverpool recently is the academy, which leads on the youth team. This is run by Mark Smith and a totally different entity altogether which is part of the club.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:

The proof is in the pudding.
CT/LM's system is producing young un's for CFC that are competing with cat 1 clubs. Is that a fact or not?

If only it was run properly

No its not a fact at all and we are not competing with cat 1 clubs either regardless of the hyperbole .

[dim view]

valemadness, on 05 June 2016 - 02:48 PM, said:

No its not, ct/LS is the development centre/international academy/PPP. The teams that have been competing with cat 1 clubs ie liverpool recently is the academy, which leads on the youth team. This is run by Mark Smith and a totally different entity altogether which is part of the club.

Yep, I know.

For 3 years, The Development Centre has been identifying talent (150 boys?) for Mark Smith's Academy in a much more productive way than CFC scouts have ever done before. That is why CT gets so frustrated with the people that are inhibiting him. How wonderful it would be if that were indeed his primary motive.

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 05 June 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

No its not a fact at all and we are not competing with cat 1 clubs either regardless of the hyperbole .

Fair enough. I value your opinion in this area.

So, are you saying that the releases on the website are propaganda, over optimistic, premature, or what?

[Bonnyman]

The cat 1 structure is massive we cannot compete with them as for the development i agree its a good idea always has been nbut its been run despicably

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 05 June 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

....as for the development i agree its a good idea always has been nbut its been run despicably

why then do you advocate doing it the old fashioned way with scouts?

This way, a private company coaches hundreds of boys at a profit (or loss), and CFC pay nowt for those that are considered good enough for the CFC Academy. No scouts needed, or am I missing summat?

[Bonnyman]

Im not advocating anything but if a club is serious about recruitment it has to have scouts , i get calls all the time asking to come and watch my lads but not from cfc.Other clubs have development centres that are free as well i appreciate cfc cannot do that as it has no facilities.

This post has been edited by Bonnyman: 05 June 2016 - 04:24 PM

[Mrhappy]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

Fair enough. I value your opinion in this area.

So, are you saying that the releases on the website are propaganda, over optimistic, premature, or what?

Firstly I want to state that the CFC academy certainly has a few prospects among the different age groups. My worry for the long term development of players is two-fold. Firstly from the games I have seen (predominantly 14/15's), the teams appear set up to win. Now before you all jump on me, I know the point of the game is to win, but.......I don't believe this approach looks at the bigger picture ie development.

There seems a game plan of knocking long balls into channels for pacey wingers to chase down, often bypassing midfield. It's certainly effective but I don't believe it's the right way.

Also, the teams I've watched often player older players down, whereas the cat 1 clubs they play will often play younger boys up. They may field an almost complete team a year younger as Liverpool did recently.

I don't want to take away from what the boys are doing, as beating Cat 1 teams is an achievement, but I think the club is in danger of becoming short sighted and looking to get results. The cat 1 teams obviously want to win their games as well, but the staff and boys have a fuller idea of developing their game.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 05 June 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:

The proof is in the pudding.
CT/LM's system is producing young un's for CFC that are competing with cat 1 clubs. Is that a fact or not?

If only it was run properly

Genuine question: do the official academy sign PPP players because those they have aren't good enough, it's easier and/or cheaper than scouting talent or to fund and/or legitimise Turner and Sutcliffe's enterprise?

I'd celebrate any reassurance their 'system' was set up for reasons other than what's in it for them.