[DIFH]

With our turn over of players and managers is the above an impossibility.

There are it seems some models that have a modicum of success but without financial details it's difficult to assess how successful they really are. Walsall, Burton Accy and Crewe to a degree but they seem to have suffered a downward spiral of late.

Do you have in place a general manager, someone with a lot of football experience to cover the signing of players etc and then bring in the young coach to concentrate on the footballing side of things. Success as a manager/coach invariably sees these guys moving up the ladder and then the parent club are back where they started on the consistency side of things.

I realise this is another tier of management so to speak and then there are the other positions of scouts at a club such as Mitch. For what ever the reason he's moving on whether it be cost cutting or simply that the manager wants to bring in his choice of players.

Will the new loanee system next year make loads of Premiership youngsters surplus to requirements when they cannot go out on loan to develope their career on loans. Will we see these guys suddenly at a situation where they can't get clubs simply because of numbers out there.

I say football is pure short-termism and will always be so.

[brianclose]

I think its possible to have a long term plan as a football club of any size, but the most important way to achieve this is to have a tight reign and control of your finances from the outset and don't waiver from this.

After this it may take a certain alchemy of right manager/right players/right team spirit to achieve your goals, but can be done (look at Accrington/Burton/Burnley/Leicester for examples of long-term success stories not on large budgets)

[dtp]

brianclose, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

I think its possible to have a long term plan as a football club of any size, but the most important way to achieve this is to have a tight reign and control of your finances from the outset and don't waiver from this.

After this it may take a certain alchemy of right manager/right players/right team spirit to achieve your goals, but can be done (look at Accrington/Burton/Burnley/Leicester for examples of long-term success stories not on large budgets)

Regarding budgets - I suppose everything is relative.

Burnley's & Leicester's budgets are way way bigger than ours whereas ours, logically, is higher than Accrington's and Burton's.

Obviously, team spirit plays a big part and I personally believe that inflated wages paid to a chosen couple, or so, players does not help the atmosphere in the dressing room.

A lot of factors contribute to success. Some clubs have success with a team full of players that other clubs do not necessarily persue with a view to signing them and, as a result, can keep the core of the team together for several years. I think that has helped the likes of Rochdale for instance. Whereas, we had a team full of players other clubs desired and this effectively meant the team was dismantled over the matter of a few months.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Punkindonuts, on 26 April 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

If we manage to stay up I think we as a club need at the very least 2 or 3 years of stability and consolidation, where even if we finish off just outside of the bottom 4 each season we aren't sacking and having to pay off the manager every season. We need to get control of the finances and get the debt down and get the club self financing itself.

I know this isn't going to happen as some supporters seem to think it is our divine right to be a championship club and should be pushing for promotion regardless of cost, personally i would rather have a stable club able to pay its way and try its best to get promotion within its own means regardless of how long it takes, that would be my plan.

I've followed this board for 3 or 4 years, and not once have I heard anyone express the opinion, here or elsewhere, that we have a right to Championship football, let alone a divine right!

In fact the most aggressive claim of right I've seen is people hoping they might see us there for one season; in their lifetime!!!

Agree on need to stabilise, but reason we have become unstable is because we dismantled a stable set-up and appointed a lot of poor staff. Playing and otherwise.

[DIFH]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 26 April 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

I've followed this board for 3 or 4 years, and not once have I heard anyone express the opinion, here or elsewhere, that we have a right to Championship football, let alone a divine right!

In fact the most aggressive claim of right I've seen is people hoping they might see us there for one season; in their lifetime!!!

Agree on need to stabilise, but reason we have become unstable is because we dismantled a stable set-up and appointed a lot of poor staff. Playing and otherwise.

I disagree about a stable set up, it's been down hill from day one really.

I may be completely on the wrong tangent here so feel free to explain your stable set up comment.

Thanx for the reply

[brianclose]

dtp, on 26 April 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Regarding budgets - I suppose everything is relative.

Burnley's & Leicester's budgets are way way bigger than ours whereas ours, logically, is higher than Accrington's and Burton's.

Obviously, team spirit plays a big part and I personally believe that inflated wages paid to a chosen couple, or so, players does not help the atmosphere in the dressing room.

A lot of factors contribute to success. Some clubs have success with a team full of players that other clubs do not necessarily persue with a view to signing them and, as a result, can keep the core of the team together for several years. I think that has helped the likes of Rochdale for instance. Whereas, we had a team full of players other clubs desired and this effectively meant the team was dismantled over the matter of a few months.

This is why I have used all 4 examples - from Premiership to L2 long term sustained improvement can be achieved.

Rochdale perhaps not the best example of not losing players - think of the list of superb strikers they have lost over the years - Lambert, Holt, Le Fondre, Hogan, Dagnall, plus defenders like Craig Dawson. Difference being probably they only lose one at a time and always seem to replace well.

Burton are a good example this year of not having a prolific striker working in your favour re clubs wanting to poach your players!

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 26 April 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

I disagree about a stable set up, it's been down hill from day one really.

I may be completely on the wrong tangent here so feel free to explain your stable set up comment.

Thanx for the reply

If you think that the stable set up I referred to was Deanosaurus and Mal Supervests, then you're a good few tangents off course!

* I meant Cook last year, and not just the man, but the 'business' model. Also the likes of Shane Nicholson.

This post has been edited by KevinArnottsGoldenBoot: 26 April 2016 - 06:34 PM

[Spireite-Karl]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 26 April 2016 - 06:32 PM, said:

If you think that the stable set up I referred to was Deanosaurus and Mal Supervests, then you're a good few tangents off course!

* I meant Cook last year, and not just the man, but the 'business' model. Also the likes of Shane Nicholson.

The management have been losing money ever since they took over the control of the club. Of course it's not their fault, it's all ours apparently!

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 26 April 2016 - 06:40 PM

[DIFH]

Spireite-Karl, on 26 April 2016 - 06:39 PM, said:

The management have been losing money ever since they took over the control of the club. Of course it's not their fault, it's all ours apparently!

Keep on topic please 😀