[smiffy]

hilly81, on 14 March 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

Really??

It actually might make players think twice before overreacting to a situation like that if this started to be a trend.

This post has been edited by smiffy: 15 March 2016 - 01:15 PM

[Tha Knows...]

dim view, on 14 March 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

I hope the situation doesn't arise that the club decide they are unable to appeal, otherwise all the provocative behaviour may well be swept under the carpet. It all depends on whether there is photographic evidence that Dion didn't do what the lino thought he did.

Whether Donohue deserved his red is a separate matter to the jostling of Hird by 5 players surrounding him. Part of the same incident but different issues and the treatment of Hird should be looked into.

[Lincs Spireite]

What should Sam Hird do in that unacceptable situation he found himself in ?

Well I reckon he should have fallen to the ground when they touched him, and roll around a bit. Get 2 or 3 of their players sent off.

[dtp]

Bowzer spirey, on 16 March 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

What should Sam Hird do in that unacceptable situation he found himself in ?

Well I reckon he should have fallen to the ground when they touched him, and roll around a bit. Get 2 or 3 of their players sent off.

Whilst that could be interpreted as cheating the referee reckons he didn't see anything anyway until they were near the hoardings so it's doubtful he would have spotted it.

Obviously, the officials might have preferred him to go to ground though so that they could book him for cheating rather than standing up for himself which is clearly an offence in their eyes.

The handling of this attack by Walsall players by the referee and his officials was shameful. They probably know that and decided not to include it in their report as it would draw attention to themselves as I just cannot believe that we have not heard more about this matter yet.

[Lincs Spireite]

dtp, on 16 March 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:

Whilst that could be interpreted as cheating the referee reckons he didn't see anything anyway until they were near the hoardings so it's doubtful he would have spotted it.

Obviously, the officials might have preferred him to go to ground though so that they could book him for cheating rather than standing up for himself which is clearly an offence in their eyes.

The handling of this attack by Walsall players by the referee and his officials was shameful. They probably know that and decided not to include it in their report as it would draw attention to themselves as I just cannot believe that we have not heard more about this matter yet.

The club should forward a copy of the ' pushing ' incident to the F.A. to see what they make of it .

[smiffy]

Bowzer spirey, on 16 March 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

What should Sam Hird do in that unacceptable situation he found himself in ?

Well I reckon he should have fallen to the ground when they touched him, and roll around a bit. Get 2 or 3 of their players sent off.

Exactly what I was thinking. Be as devious as them so it backfires.

[Swifty]

Walsall fan in peace.

Not sure about the talk of "scum" and "thugs". We are top of the fair play league and after 37 games that probably has some merit. So it is quite a fanciful notion and completely out of character to think like some of the contributors here that it was a pre-planned ploy to lure an inexperienced lad into swinging a punch. I honestly think we work on lots of things in training but not that!

Having looked at it a few times, our scorer Mantom was keen to join us lot to celebrate an important goal. His path was blocked by Tom Bradshaw who was moving towards him to celebrate. Mantom side-stepped Bradshaw which took him into Hird. This halted Mantoms' momentum to the point where he was caught by his team-mates thus meaning Hird was unwittingly caught in a five man momentum that moved him towards our fans. I'll just take off my red-tinted specs a minute to say that one of our players (Demetriou -our number 2) was the one who could have released Hird and it looks like it is Demetriou who consciously keeps Hird in the group as it moves towards our fans. Demetriou should have been booked -no question. It wasn't violent, it was ungentlemanly and naughty. Unfortunately the only truly violent act was perpetrated by Donahue. Right in front of us. He swung a punch and aimed a kick (notably at Demetriou)and with the linesman keeping a very beady eye on things he had to go. Silly. Your sixth red of a campaign that has yet to see a Walsall player dismissed.

Always enjoy my trips to your place. Preferred Saltergate, but I'm an old fashioned bloke who enjoyed his football the way it used to be served.

Good luck for the rest of the season, although I note one or two of you are wishing us ill following this bizarre event -and that's what it was -an oddity I've never seen before and doubt I will again. A shame it drew some red mist, a dismissal and evidently some ill-feeling.

[Westbars Spireite]

Fair play to you fella. I don't know why some people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. The mentality of some is that the referee is always on 'their' side and our players can do no wrong.

[firedodger]

Swifty, on 19 March 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

Walsall fan in peace.

Not sure about the talk of "scum" and "thugs". We are top of the fair play league and after 37 games that probably has some merit. So it is quite a fanciful notion and completely out of character to think like some of the contributors here that it was a pre-planned ploy to lure an inexperienced lad into swinging a punch. I honestly think we work on lots of things in training but not that!

Having looked at it a few times, our scorer Mantom was keen to join us lot to celebrate an important goal. His path was blocked by Tom Bradshaw who was moving towards him to celebrate. Mantom side-stepped Bradshaw which took him into Hird. This halted Mantoms' momentum to the point where he was caught by his team-mates thus meaning Hird was unwittingly caught in a five man momentum that moved him towards our fans. I'll just take off my red-tinted specs a minute to say that one of our players (Demetriou -our number 2) was the one who could have released Hird and it looks like it is Demetriou who consciously keeps Hird in the group as it moves towards our fans. Demetriou should have been booked -no question. It wasn't violent, it was ungentlemanly and naughty. Unfortunately the only truly violent act was perpetrated by Donahue. Right in front of us. He swung a punch and aimed a kick (notably at Demetriou)and with the linesman keeping a very beady eye on things he had to go. Silly. Your sixth red of a campaign that has yet to see a Walsall player dismissed.

Always enjoy my trips to your place. Preferred Saltergate, but I'm an old fashioned bloke who enjoyed his football the way it used to be served.

Good luck for the rest of the season, although I note one or two of you are wishing us ill following this bizarre event -and that's what it was -an oddity I've never seen before and doubt I will again. A shame it drew some red mist, a dismissal and evidently some ill-feeling.

Got to be honest swifty, your description of events is generous in terms of the Walsall players involvement. Donohue has to expect a red for raising his hand, but his wasn't the only 'violent' act and I think we find it hard to accept that as the only red card worthy act. Particularly when it would never have happened if hird hadn't been jostled off the pitch in the first place.
And the refs cop out that he didn't see the hird incident when he was plainly very close to it, just adds insult to injury.
All that said I thought you were better than us, although I was a bit disappointed in sawyers.
I've no anti Walsall feelings, it was my grandparents home and I've enjoyed visiting there since my first walk from their house on new mills street down to fellows park (to stand on the laundry end?) nearly 40 years ago.
We are similar clubs I'm sure our paths will cross again soon.

[Goku]

Westbars Spireite, on 19 March 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

Fair play to you fella. I don't know why some people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. The mentality of some is that the referee is always on 'their' side and our players can do no wrong.

If you listen to some on here the refs have been against us every game this season. It's summat you'd expect to hear from a 12 year old.

[nattyfred]

Goku, on 19 March 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

If you listen to some on here the refs have been against us every game this season. It's summat you'd expect to hear from a 12 year old.

I think you are about 50 years out on Dema's age

[dtp]

Swifty, on 19 March 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

Walsall fan in peace.

Not sure about the talk of "scum" and "thugs". We are top of the fair play league and after 37 games that probably has some merit. So it is quite a fanciful notion and completely out of character to think like some of the contributors here that it was a pre-planned ploy to lure an inexperienced lad into swinging a punch. I honestly think we work on lots of things in training but not that!

Having looked at it a few times, our scorer Mantom was keen to join us lot to celebrate an important goal. His path was blocked by Tom Bradshaw who was moving towards him to celebrate. Mantom side-stepped Bradshaw which took him into Hird. This halted Mantoms' momentum to the point where he was caught by his team-mates thus meaning Hird was unwittingly caught in a five man momentum that moved him towards our fans. I'll just take off my red-tinted specs a minute to say that one of our players (Demetriou -our number 2) was the one who could have released Hird and it looks like it is Demetriou who consciously keeps Hird in the group as it moves towards our fans. Demetriou should have been booked -no question. It wasn't violent, it was ungentlemanly and naughty. Unfortunately the only truly violent act was perpetrated by Donahue. Right in front of us. He swung a punch and aimed a kick (notably at Demetriou)and with the linesman keeping a very beady eye on things he had to go. Silly. Your sixth red of a campaign that has yet to see a Walsall player dismissed.

Always enjoy my trips to your place. Preferred Saltergate, but I'm an old fashioned bloke who enjoyed his football the way it used to be served.

Good luck for the rest of the season, although I note one or two of you are wishing us ill following this bizarre event -and that's what it was -an oddity I've never seen before and doubt I will again. A shame it drew some red mist, a dismissal and evidently some ill-feeling.

Simple question mate - the ball entered the net near Tommy Lee's right hand post, Manton and his extras were over to Sam Hird's and Tommy Lee's right making the natural place to celebrate in front of their own fans would be near Tommy Lee's right hand post so why did they en masse decide to move the length of the goals to the hoardings past the left hand post gathering up Hird in their charge?

Also, who was the player that clearly raised his arm and pushed his hand into Donohue's face - don't you think that should have been a sending off?

The linesman, with his beady eye, seems to have not seen what initiated the problem nor the raised hand into Donohue's - selective vision perhaps - whilst the referee told Hird he didn't see what happened!

Then, for Bradshaw to rub salt into the wounds of an already irate group of players by simulating injury, and for the referee to fall for it and stop play, was totally uncalled for.

Other than that, thanks for your opinion, I wish you well for the rest of the season, but I do hope you see that yellow and red cards are determined by referees who sometimes see, or don't see, things as they are. You might have had the rub of the green in that respect this season whilst we certainly haven't.

[Swifty]

Of course I'm a bit biased, we all are. If it went to a jury trial we'd all be excluded from that jury on the basis that nobody could trust our impartiality.

I think Mantom went that side as that's where the majority of our fans were. Between us, the fans and the players had got the previous manager the boot that week and between us we also wanted Whitney in charge so that goal at that moment was definitely a "we wanna be together" moment. Mantom got booked for the incident in any case so if some felt that his celebration was in anyway over the top, well the ref agrees. I think that's harsh and as I say above, Demetriou was the one of ours that should have been booked and it was his actions that lead Donahue to sprint 20 yards to try and lamp him. And I think that's the issue here. Donahue raised the bar in terms of the physical violence that was going on so got the punishment. It was the usual footballers handbags, pushing and shoving up until he literally waded in. If he hadn't it would have been the usual booking for each side and carry on. He had just conceded a goal, rightly saw Demetriou as key instigator in terms of carrying Hird off the pitch and decided to let it all get the better of him.

Like it says above, we're very similar sized, rock solid third division clubs. There will be the odd season in the league above and the odd one in the league below. So if you still feel badly done to, I'm sure the football gods will give every opportunity for it to all even itself out.

[ELTON 2020]

Swifty, on 20 March 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Of course I'm a bit biased, we all are. If it went to a jury trial we'd all be excluded from that jury on the basis that nobody could trust our impartiality.

I think Mantom went that side as that's where the majority of our fans were. Between us, the fans and the players had got the previous manager the boot that week and between us we also wanted Whitney in charge so that goal at that moment was definitely a "we wanna be together" moment. Mantom got booked for the incident in any case so if some felt that his celebration was in anyway over the top, well the ref agrees. I think that's harsh and as I say above, Demetriou was the one of ours that should have been booked and it was his actions that lead Donahue to sprint 20 yards to try and lamp him. And I think that's the issue here. Donahue raised the bar in terms of the physical violence that was going on so got the punishment. It was the usual footballers handbags, pushing and shoving up until he literally waded in. If he hadn't it would have been the usual booking for each side and carry on. He had just conceded a goal, rightly saw Demetriou as key instigator in terms of carrying Hird off the pitch and decided to let it all get the better of him.

Like it says above, we're very similar sized, rock solid third division clubs. There will be the odd season in the league above and the odd one in the league below. So if you still feel badly done to, I'm sure the football gods will give every opportunity for it to all even itself out.

It's called KARMA

[Sussex Spireite]

Swifty, on 20 March 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Of course I'm a bit biased, we all are. If it went to a jury trial we'd all be excluded from that jury on the basis that nobody could trust our impartiality.

I think Mantom went that side as that's where the majority of our fans were. Between us, the fans and the players had got the previous manager the boot that week and between us we also wanted Whitney in charge so that goal at that moment was definitely a "we wanna be together" moment. Mantom got booked for the incident in any case so if some felt that his celebration was in anyway over the top, well the ref agrees. I think that's harsh and as I say above, Demetriou was the one of ours that should have been booked and it was his actions that lead Donahue to sprint 20 yards to try and lamp him. And I think that's the issue here. Donahue raised the bar in terms of the physical violence that was going on so got the punishment. It was the usual footballers handbags, pushing and shoving up until he literally waded in. If he hadn't it would have been the usual booking for each side and carry on. He had just conceded a goal, rightly saw Demetriou as key instigator in terms of carrying Hird off the pitch and decided to let it all get the better of him.

Like it says above, we're very similar sized, rock solid third division clubs. There will be the odd season in the league above and the odd one in the league below. So if you still feel badly done to, I'm sure the football gods will give every opportunity for it to all even itself out.

For Walsall maybe, not us. I've been following Town for over 40 years now and have never seen us play in the second tier of English football and after last season when we had our best chance since the early 80's of going up, I don't think I ever will now!

Two games against you lot always stick in my mind, both in the late 70's. One at Saltergate when you scored 2 goals in the first half but also had 2 players sent off and you still won 1:2. The other was at Fellows Park when it was televised on Soccer Sunday with Hugh Johns doing the commentary and Ernie Moss scored a hat-trick, but we still lost 4:3!!

Good luck for the rest of the season, but I think it ail be Burton and Wigan that go straight up. Your run-in isn't great with you having to play 8 games in April.

[Lincs Spireite]

Swifty, on 20 March 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Of course I'm a bit biased, we all are. If it went to a jury trial we'd all be excluded from that jury on the basis that nobody could trust our impartiality.

I think Mantom went that side as that's where the majority of our fans were. Between us, the fans and the players had got the previous manager the boot that week and between us we also wanted Whitney in charge so that goal at that moment was definitely a "we wanna be together" moment. Mantom got booked for the incident in any case so if some felt that his celebration was in anyway over the top, well the ref agrees. I think that's harsh and as I say above, Demetriou was the one of ours that should have been booked and it was his actions that lead Donahue to sprint 20 yards to try and lamp him. And I think that's the issue here. Donahue raised the bar in terms of the physical violence that was going on so got the punishment. It was the usual footballers handbags, pushing and shoving up until he literally waded in. If he hadn't it would have been the usual booking for each side and carry on. He had just conceded a goal, rightly saw Demetriou as key instigator in terms of carrying Hird off the pitch and decided to let it all get the better of him.

Like it says above, we're very similar sized, rock solid third division clubs. There will be the odd season in the league above and the odd one in the league below. So if you still feel badly done to, I'm sure the football gods will give every opportunity for it to all even itself out.

Personally Swifty I don't have a problem with Donahue's red card. Any player seen to be attempting fisticuffs should walk. My issue is the rugby scrum and pushing one of our players off the pitch, which wasn't punished.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Swifty, on 19 March 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

Walsall fan in peace.

Not sure about the talk of "scum" and "thugs". We are top of the fair play league and after 37 games that probably has some merit. So it is quite a fanciful notion and completely out of character to think like some of the contributors here that it was a pre-planned ploy to lure an inexperienced lad into swinging a punch. I honestly think we work on lots of things in training but not that!

Having looked at it a few times, our scorer Mantom was keen to join us lot to celebrate an important goal. His path was blocked by Tom Bradshaw who was moving towards him to celebrate. Mantom side-stepped Bradshaw which took him into Hird. This halted Mantoms' momentum to the point where he was caught by his team-mates thus meaning Hird was unwittingly caught in a five man momentum that moved him towards our fans. I'll just take off my red-tinted specs a minute to say that one of our players (Demetriou -our number 2) was the one who could have released Hird and it looks like it is Demetriou who consciously keeps Hird in the group as it moves towards our fans. Demetriou should have been booked -no question. It wasn't violent, it was ungentlemanly and naughty. Unfortunately the only truly violent act was perpetrated by Donahue. Right in front of us. He swung a punch and aimed a kick (notably at Demetriou)and with the linesman keeping a very beady eye on things he had to go. Silly. Your sixth red of a campaign that has yet to see a Walsall player dismissed.

Always enjoy my trips to your place. Preferred Saltergate, but I'm an old fashioned bloke who enjoyed his football the way it used to be served.

Good luck for the rest of the season, although I note one or two of you are wishing us ill following this bizarre event -and that's what it was -an oddity I've never seen before and doubt I will again. A shame it drew some red mist, a dismissal and evidently some ill-feeling.

Wigan and Walsall are the two best teams we have played this season. You are near the top on merit

[Wooden Spoon]

Goku said:

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If you listen to some on here the refs have been against us every game this season. It's summat you'd expect to hear from a 12 year old.

I know Dema is only a short bloke, but surely he looks older than that HB

[Spired]

Swifty, on 20 March 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Like it says above, we're very similar sized, rock solid third division clubs. There will be the odd season in the league above and the odd one in the league below. So if you still feel badly done to, I'm sure the football gods will give every opportunity for it to all even itself out.

Not sure about that...you're up there averaging 5300 we are down here averaging 6600.