[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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Croat Croot isn't it? Just a figure head I suppose and he probably wants to remain in position

If so, then this is the issue I had with CFSS in the first place.
CFSS existed to represent the fans, not the other way around. If he can't represent the fans and ask pertinent questions now, in this time of uncertainty then, as with my view on the latter existence of CFSS, stand aside.

Anyone have any contact details forsythias chap?

[moondog]

azul, on 29 March 2016 - 10:35 PM, said:

Not really and in hindsight he clearly had nothing to say or was blocked before he could say it

There was and still is no block on his account

[azul]

a kick in the balls, on 29 March 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

If so, then this is the issue I had with CFSS in the first place.
CFSS existed to represent the fans, not the other way around. If he can't represent the fans and ask pertinent questions now, in this time of uncertainty then, as with my view on the latter existence of CFSS, stand aside.

Anyone have any contact details forsythias chap?

He is top man of the CFC Community Trust and is also a director on the main board

John Croot – Chief Executive Officer 01246 264030

This post has been edited by azul: 29 March 2016 - 10:58 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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He is top man of the CFC Community Trust and is also a director on the main board

John Croot – Chief Executive Officer 01246 264030

Cheers. He will be getting a call tomorrow.

Add to that, where isnTooley? A true CFC man, a part time but committed journo? Why have we had no questioned from him? Surely this really is an issue that Tooleys should be all over

[azul]

a kick in the balls, on 29 March 2016 - 11:06 PM, said:

Cheers. He will be getting a call tomorrow.

Add to that, where isnTooley? A true CFC man, a part time but committed journo? Why have we had no questioned from him? Surely this really is an issue that Tooleys should be all over

Don't think he's been seen since the row over his "as good as it gets" post

[azul]

a kick in the balls, on 29 March 2016 - 11:06 PM, said:

Cheers. He will be getting a call tomorrow.

Add to that, where isnTooley? A true CFC man, a part time but committed journo? Why have we had no questioned from him? Surely this really is an issue that Tooleys should be all over

Not sure what good that will do but good luck. He might at least ensure (if he has enough courage) that DA knows about the situation.

He'll only be on the board as top man in the CFC Community Trust and I'd imagine that role probably doesn't carry much clout with DA as he'll be there under sufferance.

If you remember CFSS handed over ownership of the club to DA who became majority shareholder and in return its members received shares. My memory of the exact process is fading but share distribution was significant. I seem to remember that 80% was the figure that would ensure DA had total control. Others will be able to explain why that proportion was so significant, if I'm correct. The formation of the trust and a seat on the board would've been a sweetener to ensure that CFSS members voted for the proposals and voted essentially voted themselves out of existence. That is why I user the word sufferance

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 30 March 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

Not sure what good that will do but good luck. He might at least ensure (if he has enough courage) that DA knows about the situation.

He'll only be on the board as top man in the CFC Community Trust and I'd imagine that role probably doesn't carry much clout with DA as he'll be there under sufferance.

If you remember CFSS handed over ownership of the club to DA who became majority shareholder and in return its members received shares. My memory of the exact process is fading but share distribution was significant. I seem to remember that 80% was the figure that would ensure DA had total control. Others will be able to explain why that proportion was so significant, if I'm correct. The formation of the trust and a seat on the board would've been a sweetener to ensure that CFSS members voted for the proposals and voted essentially voted themselves out of existence. That is why I user the word sufferance

Why was the proportion of shares allocated to DA so high? Clearly because DA was paying such a large chunk of cash to subscribe for his shares. Any person in his position would have wanted effective full control, which the 80% (or there abouts) gave him.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 30 March 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

Why was the proportion of shares allocated to DA so high? Clearly because DA was paying such a large chunk of cash to subscribe for his shares. Any person in his position would have wanted effective full control, which the 80% (or there abouts) gave him.

I'd want full control of the club if I was ploughing £4M plus the "short term loans" to complete the stadium build and others were putting comparatively little or nothing.

And that is why the other board members will little or no influence which AKITB seems to be hoping for

This post has been edited by azul: 30 March 2016 - 08:40 AM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

a kick in the balls, on 29 March 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

Not being funny here, and this is just my opinion, but how far away from the activities of DB/ Kieth Haslam are we from the activities of a root vegetable?

We know that Ashley (and others) regularly read this, and CT is still in position. Therefore "they" know all that we do. Therefore one can only assume that that the Sheffield mafia not only know about all of this, but are supportive, if not complicit in the activities of the root vegetable.


That being the case any debts and losses under his watch, are not just down to a stable ingredient of stews but firmly lay at the feet of the owner.

It's his train set, he runs it how he sees fit, and the debts and problems are 100% down to him.



Problem is, it's likely that it will be us that again pick up the pieces. To this end, who is the CFSS member on the board? Is it still Croot? If so, can the trust, or what ever CFSS became petition for this to be investigated and results given to share holders

Ashley Carson does, or at least did read 'Bob's Board'. As does the person telling Turner/Sutcliffe/Bingham to edit their websites. And of course the CEO has the real names of several members whilst 'Sammy' was sacked for his contribution.

Then I'm led to believe it was input from the authorities that led to a meeting, possibly even a Board meeting, which saw the Club divorce itself from Bingham/Perri/Bonney/Whatever.

In short there's absolutely no reason why the Chairman shouldn't now be fully aware of this whole sorry mess and the damage done, and still being done to his football club.

So a question; why are those responsible for embracing such a questionable individual, and bearing in mind one of them spent many months and an unknown amount of CFC money embracing another fake quickly exposed by ordinary fans whilst the other has sought to delete a whole swathe of his past for some reason, still at that football club?

Meanwhile we await with interest the DC/PPP accounts due to be lodged at Companies House today...

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Allowing for translation, another interesting article.

Source: http://www.falliment...allimento--2762

Date: 03/12/14

Note: The Monza-Cremonese game was played on 09/10/14. No prizes for guessing who was in Italy at the same time.

The debts have breached the two million euro: the Court has taken steps to send to the headquarters of the sports center Monzelli multiple injunctions. Meanwhile the players, who had given up monthly until August, acted against the company. If no payments will be received in September and October, including 40 days we will be released and you will come to failure .

It 'been called the Ordinary Shareholders' Meeting
Today will be held the ordinary shareholders' meeting, and then the extraordinary general meeting four days later. With the Ordinary General Meeting the Board of Directors and Statutory Auditors who are working on the statutory audit will submit a request to Armstrong-Emery for a direct recapitalization to ensure business continuity, while extraordinary in the Assembly, you will understand if the request was accepted. If the outcome will not be positive the managing director Maurizio Prada will go to the Bankruptcy Court to submit the request for temporary operation. If, on the other hand, are positive, and therefore, the recapitalization: the Extraordinary General Meeting would give the good pleasure in continuing the activity and should pay the fees passed with no injunction. Finally, it would riprisitinata the debt situation with suppliers.

The possible implications of the affair
Armstrong-Emery, who lives in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, after the crisis of its multinational, Ecohouse Group, would talk of possible 720mila euro for Thursday. The money would come from a friend of the couple, who attended the match Monza-Cremonese in the presence of the Director General Mauro Ulizio, ie those who are dealing with the acquisition of Pro Patria by Giovanni Vavassori: the italoaustraliano Morris Pagniello, which holds the Genova International School of Soccer, football player of Serie a in the Hungarian Budapest Honvéd, Roda Kerkrade in the Netherlands and in the US New York MetroStars and president of Trento, and Piervittorio Belfanti, disco socio Lele Mora House and Trento. The foreign friend is an entrepreneur in the field of black gold.

The Genova International School of Soccer
E 'was published on the Facebook page of the Genova International School of Soccer a notice on the basis of which it is perceived that on May 19 the GISS is currently partner of Monza for the 2014/15 season. Genova International School of Soccer will create a real football school with the ' AC Monza Brianza 1912 . GISS is putting on a staff of professionals who will join the coaches of Monza. The GISS project is exclusive and is intended to meet the needs of younger players who want to grow in footballing level. Players will be trained for six days a week with sessions in the morning and in the afternoon, to Monzelli sports center. There will be friendly matches twice a week with teams of Series A, B, Lega Pro. They will be added to Italian courses.

Everything spoken of was not, in fact, led to the end, despite being accompanied by a brochure dated June 7, on the Facebook page. If you browse you can read: Monza is located in the local underground of Milan, the duration of the project will allow players to celebrate their dreams, like a real professional soccer at the highest levels; There is a swimming pool where you can relax, in the spring and summer. It 'clear that the purpose is to bring the young and wealthy scions. The image of Monzelli is not the real one, but the one imagined by Clarence Seedorf, who played for AC Milan and the Dutch national team and who was responsible for the refinancing of Monza with his friend Jan Lagendijk owner. In this way, the GISS has tried to find boys from all over the planet, with monthly fees to be paid between 2000 and 2600 Euros monthly, for a sports center that does not exist. According to reports in the Monzelli, called Monza Sport Center has three football fields: one with natural grass and the other two with synthetic grass, tennis and five indoor courts, two gymnasiums and a huge swimming pool.

This is the project dated March 8, 2012 in the company, when the presidency was Luca Magnoni, in handcuffs from May 9 through the financial Police, submitted to the association for direct accuese conspiracy to fraudulent bankruptcy, fraud, embezzlement and tax fraud appropriation. The work is worth 8 million and 900 thousand euro and was to be made ​​with the consent of the municipality, which owns the sports complex, with private funding. The Municipality did not like, however, some design elements. It must be said that by November 15 will be presented to the City, the project to redevelop the Monzelli and Brianteo. It will manage to get out from the hypothesis failure ?

[brockwell-spireite]

[quote name='freelander2' timestamp='1459445536' post='1198507']
Allowing for translation, another interesting article.

Source: http://www.falliment...allimento--2762

Date: 03/12/14

Note: The Monza-Cremonese game was played on 09/10/14. No prizes for guessing who was in Italy at the same time.

The debts have breached the two million euro: the Court has taken steps to send to the headquarters of the sports center Monzelli multiple injunctions. Meanwhile the players, who had given up monthly until August, acted against the company. If no payments will be received in September and October, including 40 days we will be released and you will come to failure .

It 'been called the Ordinary Shareholders' Meeting
Today will be held the ordinary shareholders' meeting, and then the extraordinary general meeting four days later. With the Ordinary General Meeting the Board of Directors and Statutory Auditors who are working on the statutory audit will submit a request to Armstrong-Emery for a direct recapitalization to ensure business continuity, while extraordinary in the Assembly, you will understand if the request was accepted. If the outcome will not be positive the managing director Maurizio Prada will go to the Bankruptcy Court to submit the request for temporary operation. If, on the other hand, are positive, and therefore, the recapitalization: the Extraordinary General Meeting would give the good pleasure in continuing the activity and should pay the fees passed with no injunction. Finally, it would riprisitinata the debt situation with suppliers.

The possible implications of the affair
Armstrong-Emery, who lives in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, after the crisis of its multinational, Ecohouse Group, would talk of possible 720mila euro for Thursday. The money would come from a friend of the couple, who attended the match Monza-Cremonese in the presence of the Director General Mauro Ulizio, ie those who are dealing with the acquisition of Pro Patria by Giovanni Vavassori: the italoaustraliano Morris Pagniello, which holds the Genova International School of Soccer, football player of Serie a in the Hungarian Budapest Honvéd, Roda Kerkrade in the Netherlands and in the US New York MetroStars and president of Trento, and Piervittorio Belfanti, disco socio Lele Mora House and Trento. The foreign friend is an entrepreneur in the field of black gold.

The Genova International School of Soccer
E 'was published on the Facebook page of the Genova International School of Soccer a notice on the basis of which it is perceived that on May 19 the GISS is currently partner of Monza for the 2014/15 season. Genova International School of Soccer will create a real football school with the ' AC Monza Brianza 1912 . GISS is putting on a staff of professionals who will join the coaches of Monza. The GISS project is exclusive and is intended to meet the needs of younger players who want to grow in footballing level. Players will be trained for six days a week with sessions in the morning and in the afternoon, to Monzelli sports center. There will be friendly matches twice a week with teams of Series A, B, Lega Pro. They will be added to Italian courses.

Everything spoken of was not, in fact, led to the end, despite being accompanied by a brochure dated June 7, on the Facebook page. If you browse you can read: Monza is located in the local underground of Milan, the duration of the project will allow players to celebrate their dreams, like a real professional soccer at the highest levels; There is a swimming pool where you can relax, in the spring and summer. It 'clear that the purpose is to bring the young and wealthy scions. The image of Monzelli is not the real one, but the one imagined by Clarence Seedorf, who played for AC Milan and the Dutch national team and who was responsible for the refinancing of Monza with his friend Jan Lagendijk owner. In this way, the GISS has tried to find boys from all over the planet, with monthly fees to be paid between 2000 and 2600 Euros monthly, for a sports center that does not exist. According to reports in the Monzelli, called Monza Sport Center has three football fields: one with natural grass and the other two with synthetic grass, tennis and five indoor courts, two gymnasiums and a huge swimming pool.

This is the project dated March 8, 2012 in the company, when the presidency was Luca Magnoni, in handcuffs from May 9 through the financial Police, submitted to the association for direct accuese conspiracy to fraudulent bankruptcy, fraud, embezzlement and tax fraud appropriation. The work is worth 8 million and 900 thousand euro and was to be made ​​with the consent of the municipality, which owns the sports complex, with private funding. The Municipality did not like, however, some design elements. It must be said that by November 15 will be presented to the City, the project to redevelop the Monzelli and Brianteo. It will manage to get out from the hypothesis failure ?
[/quote

Clarence seedorf! Very interesting!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Perhaps your Italian is better than this interpretation, 'BS', so can you clarify the context in which Seedorf's name is quoted?

[brockwell-spireite]

MDCCCLXVI, on 31 March 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Perhaps your Italian is better than this interpretation, 'BS', so can you clarify the context in which Seedorf's name is quoted?

seedorf looks like he owned the club alongside a partner and had plans drawn up for the Monzello training complex to develop pitches and other facilities but it never came off.

[moondog]

Brockwell Spireite don't you think "The foreign friend is an entrepreneur in the field of black gold" is more interesting ?

[Wooden Spoon]

moondog, on 31 March 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

Brockwell Spireite don't you think "The foreign friend is an entrepreneur in the field of black gold" is more interesting ?

Royal Pearl.

[moondog]

quote name='a kick in the balls' timestamp='1459460450' post='1198534']
Royal Pearl.
[/quote]


One could deduce that from the website below and Brockwell Spireite hasn't denied he knows the owner


http://www.royalpearlint.com/

[brockwell-spireite]

a kick in the balls, on 31 March 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Royal Pearl.

not really.... we all know DB bought the club dont we? there must've been 10 articles from Monza news linked on various threads, thats nothing new, all this article does is shed light on how bad the clubs financial situation was at the time, i didn't know seedorf had been there or Guiseppe Bergomi, it seems they didn't exactly leave the club in a blaze of glory either, then again if you think English lower league football is a mess you should see what goes on in Europe..there are pub teams in England with more professionalism than some pro clubs abroad.

[Wooden Spoon]

brockwell-spireite, on 31 March 2016 - 09:50 PM, said:

not really.... we all know DB bought the club dont we? there must've been 10 articles from Monza news linked on various threads, thats nothing new, all this article does is shed light on how bad the clubs financial situation was at the time, i didn't know seedorf had been there or Guiseppe Bergomi, it seems they didn't exactly leave the club in a blaze of glory either, then again if you think English lower league football is a mess you should see what goes on in Europe..there are pub teams in England with more professionalism than some pro clubs abroad.

Do you think Dennis Bingham is someone CFC ought to be wary of?

[Mr Mercury]

brockwell-spireite, on 31 March 2016 - 09:50 PM, said:

not really.... we all know DB bought the club dont we? there must've been 10 articles from Monza news linked on various threads, thats nothing new, all this article does is shed light on how bad the clubs financial situation was at the time, i didn't know seedorf had been there or Guiseppe Bergomi, it seems they didn't exactly leave the club in a blaze of glory either, then again if you think English lower league football is a mess you should see what goes on in Europe..there are pub teams in England with more professionalism than some pro clubs abroad.

Don't you think it's strange that an International company in the oil trade can only be contacted by sending them an online message and then hoping they get in touch with you?

[Stockholm Spireite]

freelander2, on 31 March 2016 - 05:32 PM, said:

Allowing for translation, another interesting article.

Source: http://www.falliment...allimento--2762

Date: 03/12/14

Note: The Monza-Cremonese game was played on 09/10/14. No prizes for guessing who was in Italy at the same time.


The possible implications of the affair
Armstrong-Emery, who lives in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, after the crisis of its multinational, Ecohouse Group, would talk of possible 720mila euro for Thursday. The money would come from a friend of the couple, who attended the match Monza-Cremonese in the presence of the Director General Mauro Ulizio, ie those who are dealing with the acquisition of Pro Patria by Giovanni Vavassori: the italoaustraliano Morris Pagniello, which holds the Genova International School of Soccer, football player of Serie a in the Hungarian Budapest Honvéd, Roda Kerkrade in the Netherlands and in the US New York MetroStars and president of Trento, and Piervittorio Belfanti, disco socio Lele Mora House and Trento. The foreign friend is an entrepreneur in the field of black gold.

Just bear with me, I know they've been re-branded as the New York Red Bulls, but I have a pal in the "front office" over there.

I'll drop him a line and report back, either here or by PM to those who are in contact with the club.