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jack bauer, on 13 March 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

sorry, I don't agree with this at all, if you watch it back, their players initially run away from goal in celebration then return on mass and move hird together, he hardly gets caught up in an accident and if you want us to applaud them as a club for this i'm sorry I can't. I think they are a decent side who would have beaten us yesterday but this unfortunately spoilt the occasion.

The FL should investigate this incident. Its deplorable. We lost a player - his fault for reacting - following this

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firedodger, on 13 March 2016 - 05:16 PM, said:

From looking at that again I can't see how the ref can possibly say he didn't see Hird getting dragged away, he was on the scene pretty quick for something he never saw.
Lesson to be learnt, Sam Hird should have let them push him a bit then go down and roll around like a big girl


It'll sit proudly on the shelf next to the copy of my dads 'history of markhams'.

mine will big that big , it will need its own shelf!

[smiffy]

dtp, on 13 March 2016 - 04:33 PM, said:

And, if you are referring to the "at least 2 more sendings off from that incident" as meaning Walsall players then the decisions made by the referee and his officials may have had a massive impact on the result.

Donahue looked like he deserved his red. Although dispicable what Walsall did, which sending off law in footy did Walsall break?

[Johnnyspireite7]

smiffy, on 13 March 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

Donahue looked like he deserved his red. Although dispicable what Walsall did, which sending off law in footy did Walsall break?

Classed as violent conduct!

[smiffy]

Johnnyspireite7, on 13 March 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

Classed as violent conduct!

Obviously not!

[dtp]

smiffy, on 13 March 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

Although dispicable what Walsall did, which sending off law in footy did Walsall break?

Is not man-handling en masse an opposition player an offence?

Raising your hands and putting them in the face of an opposing player might be.

Failing to control your players could be.

What the Walsall players did was deliberate, not an accident, and they should pay the penalty.

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dtp, on 14 March 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Is not man-handling en masse an opposition player an offence?

Raising your hands and putting them in the face of an opposing player might be.

Failing to control your players could be.

What the Walsall players did was deliberate, not an accident, and they should pay the penalty.

Ungentlemanly conduct a booking at most so would be surprised if anything happened to them.

[Webster]

kopblue, on 14 March 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Ungentlemanly conduct a booking at most so would be surprised if anything happened to them.

Could also though in bringing the game into disrepute will be interesting to hear if CFC refer the incident to the FA

[JonB]

Only seen the incident on the highlights but the Walsall players seem to make an effort to keep Hird wrapped up in the incident and make no effort to move away.

[whittman]

JonB, on 14 March 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

Only seen the incident on the highlights but the Walsall players seem to make an effort to keep Hird wrapped up in the incident and make no effort to move away.

Correct. It might have been that Hird was in the wrong place at the wrong time after the goal but when the Walsall players collide with

him they make no effort at all to break their stride and stop their collective celebration.

What also inflamed the situation was that Hird was pushed towards the Walsall fans who joined in the general mayhem at the time

[smiffy]

dtp, on 14 March 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Is not man-handling en masse an opposition player an offence?

Raising your hands and putting them in the face of an opposing player might be.

Failing to control your players could be.

What the Walsall players did was deliberate, not an accident, and they should pay the penalty.

Handbags. If the boot was on the other foot ,what would we have said.Booking and that's what happened.

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smiffy, on 14 March 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

Handbags. If the boot was on the other foot ,what would we have said.Booking and that's what happened.

Handbags?Well maybe but 4/5 players pushing a member of the opposition back some 20 yards off the pitch then pinning him up to their own supporters is something else.And yes Donohue should have kept away,but the incident that Walsall players instigated cost us the game

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Webster, on 14 March 2016 - 09:12 AM, said:

Could also though in bringing the game into disrepute will be interesting to hear if CFC refer the incident to the FA

I hope the situation doesn't arise that the club decide they are unable to appeal, otherwise all the provocative behaviour may well be swept under the carpet. It all depends on whether there is photographic evidence that Dion didn't do what the lino thought he did.

[Freddie]

dim view, on 14 March 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

I hope the situation doesn't arise that the club decide they are unable to appeal, otherwise all the provocative behaviour may well be swept under the carpet. It all depends on whether there is photographic evidence that Dion didn't do what the lino thought he did.

More likely to be photographic evidence that he did do what the lino saw him do! Clear punch / hand pushed with some force into opponents face. Red card every time I'm afraid.

[dtp]

Deep down - hasn't the ref got some responsibility in all this? He seems to have told Hird he didn't see what happened. He was eager to get in with the players shortly after not seeing anything. Should he not include something in his report? Shouldn't he feel obligated to actually watch the film of actually what happened? Does the adjudicator think he did well and shouldn't he also report on the incident?

There's so many questions to be asked but there is only one fact - fact is there would have been nothing to discuss if the Walsall players had celebrated their goal in a normal way.

[smiffy]

BlueRover52, on 14 March 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:

Handbags?Well maybe but 4/5 players pushing a member of the opposition back some 20 yards off the pitch then pinning him up to their own supporters is something else.And yes Donohue should have kept away,but the incident that Walsall players instigated cost us the game

My bet is that they planned something like that and that not one of them actually stepped over the mark but expected one of our unsuspecting youngsters to react and get himself a red. It worked .Sneaky, dirty,rotten trick ,but it worked.

[hilly81]

smiffy, on 14 March 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

My bet is that they planned something like that and that not one of them actually stepped over the mark but expected one of our unsuspecting youngsters to react and get himself a red. It worked .Sneaky, dirty,rotten trick ,but it worked.

Really??

[BlueRover52]

dtp, on 14 March 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

Deep down - hasn't the ref got some responsibility in all this? He seems to have told Hird he didn't see what happened. He was eager to get in with the players shortly after not seeing anything. Should he not include something in his report? Shouldn't he feel obligated to actually watch the film of actually what happened? Does the adjudicator think he did well and shouldn't he also report on the incident?

There's so many questions to be asked but there is only one fact - fact is there would have been nothing to discuss if the Walsall players had celebrated their goal in a normal way.

Ref is the guy in charge and no doubt saw most of it.Why he didn't take the appropriate action only he can say.But he should be taken to task by the powers that be.The Donohue incident was seen by the assistant ref,so incredibly took action on what he DIDN'T see and no action on what he SAW!!

[firedodger]

DerbySpireite53, on 13 March 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:

Tbh I don't think there was anything contrived by walsall. They're flying high, and going for promotion. We'd celebrate much the same way in their shoes. Sam just got caught up in the ruck. Pure accident by them. He actually could have got a red card himself if you watch closely.It's gone. Let's mive on, maybe even using them as a template to adopt as a club and as a playing style.

Your definition of an accident and mine differ greatly.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 14 March 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

Deep down - hasn't the ref got some responsibility in all this? He seems to have told Hird he didn't see what happened. He was eager to get in with the players shortly after not seeing anything. Should he not include something in his report? Shouldn't he feel obligated to actually watch the film of actually what happened? Does the adjudicator think he did well and shouldn't he also report on the incident?

There's so many questions to be asked but there is only one fact - fact is there would have been nothing to discuss if the Walsall players had celebrated their goal in a normal way.

The ref saw so little, yet the first men he booked in all this were, Ollie Banks and then.....Sam Hird!

Edit- That was our sixth sending off this season, joint top of the league with Peterborough. The average in the league is just over two per team - must be one of our worst seasons for a long time in terms of number of red cards.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 14 March 2016 - 04:31 PM