[BlueRover52]

Which are so costly to teams.Many critical ones in the FA cup as well as the ones at Spotland.

[sophocles]

BlueRover52, on 11 January 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

Which are so costly to teams.Many critical ones in the FA cup as well as the ones at Spotland.

Infuriating as bad decisions are when they affect your team, I think we have to remember it's only an easy job when you're sitting on your sofa watching slow - motion replays. Having said that, I can't think of any excuse for the mess the officials made with Gboly's disallowed goal - that was a total shambles.

[BlueRover52]

sophocles, on 11 January 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

Infuriating as bad decisions are when they affect your team, I think we have to remember it's only an easy job when you're sitting on your sofa watching slow - motion replays. Having said that, I can't think of any excuse for the mess the officials made with Gboly's disallowed goal - that was a total shambles.

Don't know how they came to the penalty decision in the Spurs game.The camera had better view than the ref yes and couldn't see how it was awarded from his position. It hit both defender and forwards hands in quick succession but never warranted a penalty. Thankfully the decisions at Spotland didn't affect the final result but the decision to book Gboly for a second yellow has cost the lad and club a ban.

[DIFH]

BlueRover52, on 11 January 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

Don't know how they came to the penalty decision in the Spurs game.The camera had better view than the ref yes and couldn't see how it was awarded from his position. It hit both defender and forwards hands in quick succession but never warranted a penalty. Thankfully the decisions at Spotland didn't affect the final result but the decision to book Gboly for a second yellow has cost the lad and club a ban.

A timely lesson for the lad at this stage of his career, if there was any element of diving by him when he clearly had the beating of anything they tried then it is a good lesson learned.

[mr. smith]

BlueRover52, on 11 January 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

Don't know how they came to the penalty decision in the Spurs game.The camera had better view than the ref yes and couldn't see how it was awarded from his position. It hit both defender and forwards hands in quick succession but never warranted a penalty. Thankfully the decisions at Spotland didn't affect the final result but the decision to book Gboly for a second yellow has cost the lad and club a ban.

the only thing that has cost 'the lad' is his stupidity in diving again.

[BlueRover52]

mr. smith, on 11 January 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

the only thing that has cost 'the lad' is his stupidity in diving again.

If the club are of the opinion that Gboly dived on both occasions resulting in the sending off then surely some sort of disciplinary action is in order.

[60s 70s Spireite]

BlueRover52, on 12 January 2016 - 09:57 AM, said:

If the club are of the opinion that Gboly dived on both occasions resulting in the sending off then surely some sort of disciplinary action is in order.

The club, at least DW, aren't of that opinion. He says the first one was a clear foul, and the second one wasn't clear. If Ashley Young has never had two yellows in one game for diving, I think we can say Gboly has been a little unlucky.

[JonB]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 January 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

The club, at least DW, aren't of that opinion. He says the first one was a clear foul, and the second one wasn't clear. If Ashley Young has never had two yellows in one game for diving, I think we can say Gboly has been a little unlucky.

The difference is Gboly doesnt play for Man Utd....if Young still played for a Villa or Watford he probably would have been sent off for two dives.

[DIFH]

BlueRover52, on 12 January 2016 - 09:57 AM, said:

If the club are of the opinion that Gboly dived on both occasions resulting in the sending off then surely some sort of disciplinary action is in order.

I hope that's a wind-up

[spireitewolf]

sophocles said:

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Infuriating as bad decisions are when they affect your team, I think we have to remember it's only an easy job when you're sitting on your sofa watching slow - motion replays. Having said that, I can't think of any excuse for the mess the officials made with Gboly's disallowed goal - that was a total shambles.

We should have had 5 really Officials shocking

JonB said:

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The difference is Gboly doesnt play for Man Utd....if Young still played for a Villa or Watford he probably would have been sent off for two dives.

Thought Young joined Royal Navy .as a submariner lol

[BlueRover52]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 January 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

The club, at least DW, aren't of that opinion. He says the first one was a clear foul, and the second one wasn't clear. If Ashley Young has never had two yellows in one game for diving, I think we can say Gboly has been a little unlucky.

I didn't make the game so only saw the sky highlights.From my perspective the second incident looked like a clear penalty but it seems some are of a different opinion and that Gboly was stupid to try and "win a penalty".My comment was aimed at those posters and pose the thought that if the club was of the same thoughts then some sanction needs to be applied.Quite rightly they are backing the player,shame yellows can't be appealed against,especially second ones that result in a sending off.

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 12 January 2016 - 11:59 AM, said:

I hope that's a wind-up

You mentioned an element of diving and lesson to be learned.

This post has been edited by BlueRover52: 12 January 2016 - 01:49 PM

[CFC_GAV]

Having watched the replays numerous times both looked harsh decisions against Boly, I can understand why Novak's was given offside but how Boly's wasn't given is beyond me.

[DIFH]

BlueRover52, on 12 January 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

I didn't make the game so only saw the sky highlights.From my perspective the second incident looked like a clear penalty but it seems some are of a different opinion and that Gboly was stupid to try and "win a penalty".My comment was aimed at those posters and pose the thought that if the club was of the same thoughts then some sanction needs to be applied.Quite rightly they are backing the player,shame yellows can't be appealed against,especially second ones that result in a sending off.


You mentioned an element of diving and lesson to be learned.

I'm coming from DW position, he might have a quiet word but every player tries to gain an advatage when the opportunity presents.

If there is a disciplinary format then Bolly will have to bite the bullet.

Wasn't trying to be clever by the way.

[BlueRover52]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 12 January 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

I'm coming from DW position, he might have a quiet word but every player tries to gain an advatage when the opportunity presents.

If there is a disciplinary format then Bolly will have to bite the bullet.

Wasn't trying to be clever by the way.

Any player who gets booked/sent off when caught cheating or verbally abusing officials needs to have some sort of sanction,in an ideal world anyway.In that way the game might improve.Officials however have a difficult job as it is without having to deal with the cheats and as officials do,they get it wrong sometimes.Players get reputations and more often than not it can backfire on them when they are accused of simulation and do not get justice.Some managers may well encourage their players to go down like a "ton of bricks" at the slightest contact,but it's up to the officials to be strong and stamp the practice out,and yes they will get it wrong sometimes.
And I didn't take any offence either DIFH.

[Siberian Spireite]

Seems harsh- understandable but no 'benefit of the doubt to the attacking team' for the first'un......  disallowed.jpg (68.8K)
Number of downloads: 30

For the second disallowed goal it did seem Novak was offside when Gboly struck it- despite the officials faffing around, surely they arrived at the correct decision in the end?

Massive credit is due to the lads for not folding under the circumstances, but battling on and getting the win.

This post has been edited by Siberian Spireite: 12 January 2016 - 05:14 PM

[60s 70s Spireite]

CFC_GAV, on 12 January 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Having watched the replays numerous times both looked harsh decisions against Boly, I can understand why Novak's was given offside but how Boly's wasn't given is beyond me.

Looking at the 'alternative away day' video, (it won't change the result, won't change the ref's decision) but there is a clear foul on Gboly for the first booking he took- slow mo shows the defender stepping on his foot. I think it does clear Gboly of 'cheating' in that instance, without doubt to me.

For the second, Gboly does tumble easy, but there does seem a mini clash of bodies.

[DIFH]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 January 2016 - 05:31 PM, said:

Looking at the 'alternative away day' video, (it won't change the result, won't change the ref's decision) but there is a clear foul on Gboly for the first booking he took- slow mo shows the defender stepping on his foot. I think it does clear Gboly of 'cheating' in that instance, without doubt to me.

For the second, Gboly does tumble easy, but there does seem a mini clash of bodies.

To say that Rochdale tried every dirty trick in the book and Gboly rode the challenges time after time until being fouled, the ref even though the advantage was allowed never went back to any of those dirty desperate challenges. To watch the speed of Gboly on the day and the manner of the challenges on that surface the referee has acted not on what he actually saw but what he thought he saw.

[clarevoyant.]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 12 January 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:

To say that Rochdale tried every dirty trick in the book and Gboly rode the challenges time after time until being fouled, the ref even though the advantage was allowed never went back to any of those dirty desperate challenges. To watch the speed of Gboly on the day and the manner of the challenges on that surface the referee has acted not on what he actually saw but what he thought he saw.

Exactly, he never went back to have a word with the dale players, it was clear that this was winding Sam (as captain)up to an extent that it could have been a disaster from our point of view. His game management was abysmal

A couple of seasons ago I posted about this chap after games he refed when we were chasing the game with blatant unpunished time wasting by the opposition he apparently had the nickname 1/3 (that's one and three) due to him telling his colleagues well before the start of the game that he would add one minute at the end of the 1st half and 3 at the end of the 2nd unless anything really untoward happened

[Siberian Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 12 January 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

Exactly, he never went back to have a word with the dale players, it was clear that this was winding Sam (as captain)up to an extent that it could have been a disaster from our point of view. His game management was abysmal

A couple of seasons ago I posted about this chap after games he refed when we were chasing the game with blatant unpunished time wasting by the opposition he apparently had the nickname 1/3 (that's one and three) due to him telling his colleagues well before the start of the game that he would add one minute at the end of the 1st half and 3 at the end of the 2nd unless anything really untoward happened

I suppose that's the central question: do the authorities allow refs to use discretion or do they favour robots who do things by numbers? Riley's regime has always favoured the latter type.

[BurySpireite]

Siberian Spireite, on 12 January 2016 - 05:09 PM, said:

Seems harsh- understandable but no 'benefit of the doubt to the attacking team' for the first'un...... disallowed.jpg

For the second disallowed goal it did seem Novak was offside when Gboly struck it- despite the officials faffing around, surely they arrived at the correct decision in the end?

Massive credit is due to the lads for not folding under the circumstances, but battling on and getting the win.

In that footage he does look level, but to be fair in the alternate away day footage it shows the view from the sidelines and he's clearly offside. However, the 2nd disallowed goal should've been given and the first 'dive' was a foul for sure, 2nd one inconclusive I'd say but possibly a dive.