[Snowflake McBedwetter]

SEB is waste of our budget imo.

He's not banging them in, he does'nt look that bothered about playing for us. I don't think he's as fit as he should be, and I'm not sure paying someone like him - fairly 'relaxed' - way more than the rest of the team is good for morale taking all the above into account.

Rather see the 4k a week better spent. Still got skills, just don't think he's good value.

This post has been edited by KevinArnottsGoldenBoot: 09 January 2016 - 03:16 PM

[spireitetoo]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 09 January 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

SEB is waste of our budget imo.

He's not banging them in, he does'nt look that bothered about playing for us. I don't think he's as fit as he should be, and I'm not sure paying someone like him - fairly 'relaxed' - way more than the rest of the team is good for morale taking all the above into account.

Rather see the 4k a week better spent. Still got skills, just don't think he's good value.

You must be watchin a different player to me.....seb is the coloured guy up front who chases and harries defenders and holds the ball up to bring others into the game....the one who is very strong with his back to goal (not a role he likes but plays well) the one who if they actually get the ball to him in the box always gets a shot away....the one the opposition defense always put 2 men on......

[Spireite-Karl]

Bluekent, on 09 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

So you don't know then? Cool.

A stupid a question as I come to expect on here though isn't it?? Of course I don't know and 99.99999% of fans don't know, that goes without saying. Instead of trying to be clever, why don't you counter my argument with why we have record busting wage budget and which players are more likely to be using a large percentage of this and which ones aren't taking much of it. It doesn't taking a genius or even an accountant to have an reasonable educated guess to which players are earning the most.

Town one nil!

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[Bluekent]

Spireite-Karl, on 09 January 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

A stupid a question as I come to expect on here though isn't it?? Of course I don't know and 99.99999% of fans don't know, that goes without saying. Instead of trying to be clever, why don't you counter my argument with why we have record busting wage budget and which players are more likely to be using a large percentage of this and which ones aren't taking much of it.

Town one nil!

Just don't understand how people can talk about players taking up a large chunk of the budget when they have absolutely no idea what that said player is on. Plus he's under contract so how do we just get rid? We either pay up his contract , someone buys him or another club agrees to take him on loan and agrees to pay his wages , now the first is never gonna happen and given the fact you think he's a waste of time , do you think the other 2 options will happen?

[Spireite-Karl]

Bluekent, on 09 January 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

Just don't understand how people can talk about players taking up a large chunk of the budget when they have absolutely no idea what that said player is on. Plus he's under contract so how do we just get rid? We either pay up his contract , someone buys him or another club agrees to take him on loan and agrees to pay his wages , now the first is never gonna happen and given the fact you think he's a waste of time , do you think the other 2 options will happen?

Of course we can't get rid (I never said we could, though I'd be looking for a way out of this mess which would allow me a budget to use in my prefered manor if I was the manager). It's silly spending like this from a manager that should never have been trusted to spend big and the boards fault for ever thinking that the manager was the right one to trust in the first place, that has got us in this predicament. I'm all for adding quality in the side and pushing the boat out a little to boost the side with a bit of added quality, but you have to have a manager that is not going to easily mess it up when you are as restricted financially as we are. The DS saga was a total disaster from start to finish and it's not the first time the board has led us down this path; Cook got them out of a massive hole which they immediately started digging again after his departure.

I never said either that he's a waste of time, I said he's preventing us from adding another good signing as we could probably sign two good players for his wage. If he's a lower mid first team earner then I would think differently. Do you think he's a lower mid first team earner or would you put him as one of our higher earners?

[Goku]

dtp, on 09 January 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

My view is similar to yours.

Cook didn't try very hard to get Ryan to sign a new contract, he virtually said that in one interview when he laughed the matter off and mentioned Roberts and Ryan car sharing, and he was hoping to get him on the cheap at his new club.

Cook was thinking ahead and not to the advantage of his employers at that time.

Chris Turner deserves a large slice of blame for letting Ryan's contract run.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

spireitetoo, on 09 January 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

You must be watchin a different player to me.....seb is the coloured guy up front who chases and harries defenders and holds the ball up to bring others into the game....the one who is very strong with his back to goal (not a role he likes but plays well) the one who if they actually get the ball to him in the box always gets a shot away....the one the opposition defense always put 2 men on......

So you want to pay top whack for a player to play in a position and to a style that doesn't suit? (I'm using your argument)

He's supposed to be banging 'em in. He isn't. He isn't the type of player that suits us imo.

[spireitetoo]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 09 January 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

So you want to pay top whack for a player to play in a position and to a style that doesn't suit? (I'm using your argument)

He's supposed to be banging 'em in. He isn't. He isn't the type of player that suits us imo.

He isnt banging em in cos he spends too much time with his back to goal..hopefully danny will sort this .....any how he makes defences think keeps 2 defenders busy and creates space for others ....so yes he's worth whatever we are paying him

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

spireitetoo, on 09 January 2016 - 04:30 PM, said:

He isnt banging em in cos he spends too much time with his back to goal..hopefully danny will sort this .....any how he makes defences think keeps 2 defenders busy and creates space for others ....so yes he's worth whatever we are paying him

OK. So you want to build a team around SEB. Our style doesn't suit him. And he's worth "WHATEVER" we are paying him.

You're not related are you!?

ps. Out of interest. If he had his front to goal do you think he'd be burning defenders for pace?

[Spireite-Karl]

Goku, on 09 January 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Chris Turner deserves a large slice of blame for letting Ryan's contract run.

Totally agree.

Worth every penny (Ebanks Blake, not Turner, I'm not totally deluded!)

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 09 January 2016 - 04:41 PM

[ash_cfc]

SEB haters.. This is awkward? Isn't he our top scorer this season too?

[Walton Spireite]

What about Grimsby pay £25k plus Padraig Amond as well for Armand. I'd take that.

[Spireite-Karl]

ash_cfc, on 09 January 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

SEB haters.. This is awkward? Isn't he our top scorer this season too?

No, Novak isn't he?

EDIT: And I'm no hater (far from it), but to dampen your dig (no need by the way) Simon's can only be two or three goals behind him and he's hardly had any minutes on the pitch in comparison

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 09 January 2016 - 04:46 PM

[spireitetoo]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 09 January 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

OK. So you want to build a team around SEB. Our style doesn't suit him. And he's worth "WHATEVER" we are paying him.

You're not related are you!?

ps. Out of interest. If he had his front to goal do you think he'd be burning defenders for pace?

The previous manager played him wrong.....like i said hopefullydanny puts this right and given his performance's under him i would say things are being built with seb in mind.......and btw he's just scored thats averaging 1 in 3 whilst at town....pretty good for any striker

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[Johnnyspireite7]

Walton Spireite, on 09 January 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

What about Grimsby pay £25k plus Padraig Amond as well for Armand. I'd take that.

Still waiting for you to start a thread with your thoughts about last Saturday, and wait with baited breath for today's!

[dtp]

Bluekent, on 09 January 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

Maybe I made my point in the wrong way. The only reason why armand is going for more than 2 of our better players is down to the contract situation. Nothing to do with ability or what the players are worth while under contract. Supporters were clearly correct about the pairing , one of the best centre midfield pairings we've ever had. A blind man could see that Ryan and Morsy have more ability than AG. if I've misunderstood your initial post and there wasn't some sort of dig in there then I apologise but if there wasn't then I'm struggling to see what your point is and what you found interesting?

Possibly, the only "dig" is for those that have been over critical of Armand on these boards.

Regarding contract situations it is not always the club at fault for a player not extending his contract and that is why it often makes for common sense to sell a player whilst he is under contract.

[dtp]

MDCCCLXVI, on 09 January 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

But the 'official line' was that Ryan wanted to move closer to home, 'dtp'.

Pompey? Closer to home?

I wonder if there was brinkmanship on both sides, but whichever was the truth CFC lost a terrific asset.

Agreed Chris.

[dtp]

MDCCCLXVI, on 09 January 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

In Sam's case I see it as an investment.

Of course nothing's certain, but an extra fifty, perhaps seventy five grand to secure his services for another year could be more than recouped through L1 survival and/or a stronger bargaining position.

I would love for us to be able to afford what Sam, or his agent, wants Chris.

It certainly seems that very good offers have been made to him but, so far, rejected though.

Would another £1000 to £1500 per week do it though?

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

spireitetoo, on 09 January 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

The previous manager played him wrong.....like i said hopefullydanny puts this right and given his performance's under him i would say things are being built with seb in mind.......and btw he's just scored thats averaging 1 in 3 whilst at town....pretty good for any striker

1 in 3 is the minimum you'd expect from a front man.

ps. Phil Thompson on Sky Sports...
"He looks like he's put a few pounds on"

LOL! Cue all the bedwetters spitting their dummies out!!!

[eddymelt]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 09 January 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

SEB is waste of our budget imo.

He's not banging them in, he does'nt look that bothered about playing for us. I don't think he's as fit as he should be, and I'm not sure paying someone like him - fairly 'relaxed' - way more than the rest of the team is good for morale taking all the above into account.

Rather see the 4k a week better spent. Still got skills, just don't think he's good value.

Clueless