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dalekpete, on 25 August 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

We did go through it with John Bilton a few weeks ago.

The Club has 27 professional footballers on its books.

There are about 18 in the u18 Academy (Youth Team)

Then there are 30 plus students with Liam's FE college- Player Progression Pathway.

Clearly Dean Saunders can pick any of the pros or youth team to play for the first team, he can also register any of the students to play.

The reserves will be made up of those not getting regular games for the firsts and might be supplemented by youth team players, those from Liam's Shadow Squad and trialists.

Some of the PPP u18 students will make up the Elite Shadow Squad and play in the North Midlands u21 Development League. I believe trialists and the like can also play as it isn't a student league. Students who are not making sufficient progress on the field will still have to complete their education. The Youth team and students will also play inter-club games.

It is expected that the senior management team will watch all matches

Ta.
So...
Liam's Shadow Squad is the team that the PPP puts out?. Nowt to do with CFC?.

The Elite Shadow Squad is CFC managed and competes in the NM U21 Development league?. It's a 'junior' reserve team which can field ringers?.

Then there's the senior Reserve Team which can also field ringers?.

[shaun1866]

Which 1 played at Blackburn today ? Quick stop in McDonald's near Ossett. Jamie Hewitt was with them in a shabby blue mini bus

[dalekpete]

dim view, on 25 August 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Ta.
So...
Liam's Shadow Squad is the team that the PPP puts out?. Nowt to do with CFC?.

The Elite Shadow Squad is CFC managed and competes in the NM U21 Development league?. It's a 'junior' reserve team which can field ringers?.

Then there's the senior Reserve Team which can also field ringers?.

No there is only one Shadow Squad.

I think the term "elite" is used among the FE students to show which are considered good enough to play in the Shadow Squad. There will be students who are found not to be good enough to make a career as players but who can use the Btec qualification for university or jobs in coaching or sports admin. For example some of the Trust's futsal students transfered to Liam's course last season. The set-up is as a college but one where virtually all initially enrol in the hope of becoming professional footballers.

The "college" and the students are strictly nothing to do with CFC but shadow the youth set-up.

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dalekpete, on 25 August 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

No there is only one Shadow Squad.

I think the term "elite" is used among the FE students to show which are considered good enough to play in the Shadow Squad. There will be students who are found not to be good enough to make a career as players but who can use the Btec qualification for university or jobs in coaching or sports admin. For example some of the Trust's futsal students transfered to Liam's course last season. The set-up is as a college but one where virtually all initially enrol in the hope of becoming professional footballers.

The "college" and the students are strictly nothing to do with CFC but shadow the youth set-up.

Right....
Liam runs PPP which is a Further Education College whose students can graduate with a Btec. They are not all great footballers, but Liam calls some of them 'elite' because they represent their College. The college football team is called the Shadow squad. PPP is strictly nowt to do with CFC (although DA says it is), so the phrase 'Shadow Squad' seems to be a stupid name to me 'cos they don't shadow anything.

PPP scholars can turn out for CFC's teams provided they are registered.

Presumably, CFC Academy, Youth team players, and even first teamers who are striving for a Btec could enrol with Liam and play for the Shadow squad.

Am I getting close?. I have to say, the whole bluddddy thing is a farce.

This post has been edited by dim view: 25 August 2015 - 06:05 PM

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dim view, on 25 August 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

Right....
Liam runs PPP which is a Further Education College whose students can graduate with a Btec. They are not all great footballers, but Liam calls some of them 'elite' because they represent their College. The college football team is called the Shadow squad. PPP is strictly nowt to do with CFC (although DA says it is), so the phrase 'Shadow Squad' seems to be a stupid name to me 'cos they don't shadow anything.

PPP scholars can turn out for CFC's teams provided they are registered.

Presumably, CFC Academy, Youth team players, and even first teamers who are striving for a Btec could enrol with Liam and play for the Shadow squad.

Am I getting close?. I have to say, the whole bluddddy thing is a farce.

you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over nothing...the development squads at youth level are connected to cfc..as they supply a large portion of the academy players as the academy has no real scouting system other than the development..if you are in the development say for example 13 years old you can go into the academy if your good enough unless of course you want to carry on playing at grassroots but you are not contracted to cfc you are contracted to your grassroots club..the development is a pathway if you want it to be or a soccer school depending on your preference.As for the older age groups it is run with the intention of providing players for cfc with minimal if any outlay whilst providing a btec qualification .

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you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over nothing...the development squads at youth level are connected to cfc..as they supply a large portion of the academy players as the academy has no real scouting system other than the development..if you are in the development say for example 13 years old you can go into the academy if your good enough unless of course you want to carry on playing at grassroots but you are not contracted to cfc you are contracted to your grassroots club..the development is a pathway if you want it to be or a soccer school depending on your preference.As for the older age groups it is run with the intention of providing players for cfc with minimal if any outlay whilst providing a btec qualification .

Should the club be scouting the area for talented youngsters instead?

[Beelzebub]

dim view, on 25 August 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Ta.
So...
Liam's Shadow Squad is the team that the PPP puts out?. Nowt to do with CFC?.

The Elite Shadow Squad is CFC managed and competes in the NM U21 Development league?. It's a 'junior' reserve team which can field ringers?.

Then there's the senior Reserve Team which can also field ringers?.

It's not as simple as that

Don't forget the 'A' and 'B' sides in the PL/FL Development League

http://full-time.the...eague=889263802

[dim view]

Bonnyman, on 26 August 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over nothing...the development squads at youth level are connected to cfc..as they supply a large portion of the academy players as the academy has no real scouting system other than the development..if you are in the development say for example 13 years old you can go into the academy if your good enough unless of course you want to carry on playing at grassroots but you are not contracted to cfc you are contracted to your grassroots club..the development is a pathway if you want it to be or a soccer school depending on your preference.As for the older age groups it is run with the intention of providing players for cfc with minimal if any outlay whilst providing a btec qualification .

I'm quite calm dear.
I just want to be clear that any money I spend helps CFC.
CCJ's and name changes aren't nothing.

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dim view, on 25 August 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

Right....
Liam runs PPP which is a Further Education College whose students can graduate with a Btec. They are not all great footballers, but Liam calls some of them 'elite' because they represent their College. The college football team is called the Shadow squad. PPP is strictly nowt to do with CFC (although DA says it is), so the phrase 'Shadow Squad' seems to be a stupid name to me 'cos they don't shadow anything.

PPP scholars can turn out for CFC's teams provided they are registered.

Presumably, CFC Academy, Youth team players, and even first teamers who are striving for a Btec could enrol with Liam and play for the Shadow squad.

Am I getting close?. I have to say, the whole bluddddy thing is a farce.

You are close but the youth team is the Academy u17 and u18, they have their own (similar) education system. The pros have PFA backed schemes if they want to study.

What the PPP gives is up to 20 youngsters a year group who want, as much as the youth team do, to be professionals. Some of these will have just failed to get in at top flight clubs and so were too late for the youth team while others will be from abroad.

The Shadow Squad matches, being in an u21 league, will enable potential Club development players to have extended trials. This effectively happened with Michael Onovwigum.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dalekpete, on 26 August 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

You are close but the youth team is the Academy u17 and u18, they have their own (similar) education system. The pros have PFA backed schemes if they want to study.

What the PPP gives is up to 20 youngsters a year group who want, as much as the youth team do, to be professionals. Some of these will have just failed to get in at top flight clubs and so were too late for the youth team while others will be from abroad.

The Shadow Squad matches, being in an u21 league, will enable potential Club development players to have extended trials. This effectively happened with Michael Onovwigum.

Can someone do us all a wall chart?

[Goku]

I've lost interest in it all. Too complicated.

[Beelzebub]

dalekpete, on 26 August 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

You are close but the youth team is the Academy u17 and u18, they have their own (similar) education system. The pros have PFA backed schemes if they want to study.

What the PPP gives is up to 20 youngsters a year group who want, as much as the youth team do, to be professionals. Some of these will have just failed to get in at top flight clubs and so were too late for the youth team while others will be from abroad.

The Shadow Squad matches, being in an u21 league, will enable potential Club development players to have extended trials. This effectively happened with Michael Onovwigum.

Am I right in thinking the A and B sides in the U19 Development League are also from Liam's lot?

Is it the first time we've fielded six different sides in a season? And is it the first time we've ever had two different sides in the same league?

[dim view]

dalekpete, on 26 August 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

What the PPP gives is up to 20 youngsters a year group who want, as much as the youth team do, to be professionals. Some of these will have just failed to get in at top flight clubs and so were too late for the youth team while others will be from abroad.

Can kids who do not want to be professionals, eg girls, who want a Btec be accepted into this group?.

[Spireite-Karl]

djs, on 26 August 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Er.... What's a CCJ?😕

Initials of Cameron Colin Jerome Birmingham City player we are after

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 26 August 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I'm quite calm dear.
I just want to be clear that any money I spend helps CFC.
CCJ's and name changes aren't nothing.

I dont know anything about that but i know they are connected with cfc and approved by paul mitchell

[Spireite-Karl]

Goku, on 26 August 2015 - 06:55 PM, said:

I've lost interest in it all. Too complicated.

I'm glad it's not just me. I tried and very quickly become bored and thought to myself... How does this affect me?? Squat diddly, so I skipped all the complicated boring stuff.

The only bit I want to know is.. Have we been summoned a County Court Judgment (just for Dim )

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dim view, on 26 August 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Can kids who do not want to be professionals, eg girls, who want a Btec be accepted into this group?.

In theory yes but the college is a combination of the academic work and football training. There are football trials to gain entry as well as the need for GCSEs. The futsal version run by club charities allows a bit more variation in sporting abilities and includes coaching and refereeing qualifications as standard. There are girls courses but I am not sure of mixed ones as both the football and futsal courses have competitive games as part of the remit.

[Westbars Spireite]

djs, on 26 August 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Er.... What's a CCJ?😕

County Court Judgement.

[BozaSpireite]

Anybody seen the goals from the youth team against Blackburn , never seen such awful defending both from both teams