[Tha Knows...]

Beelzebub, on 24 July 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

You're right, the money is there but your impatience is unjustified. DS is hanging fire to see if anybody else leaves before making signings, as he has said, he builds his team and tactics on the players he has and doesn't force square pegs into round holes, so, if someone leaves he needs to take that into account with his new signings. With more squad places available he has greater opportunities to bring in better players and play in different ways.

Another advantage of leaving your signings till later is the fact that their prices drop, listen to Paul Dickov's RS interview from yesterday for an explanation of that!

It's not impatience, it's perfectly reasonable to argue he has had the time and enough money to replace Ryan and Roberts. If the replacements are in the bag that's ok but DS has admitted he has not devoted enough time to finding those replacements. And isn't £6k a week is enough to find two replacements? Or are you suggesting the club should be signing replacements on £4k or more a week?!

[Wooden Spoon]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 10:18 AM, said:

I don't get this about not being able to afford replacements for Roberts and Ryan. Roberts has taken £3k off the wage bill and DS should also have some "commission" from the transfer fee to spend. Ryan's wages were going to be doubled, let's say to £3k a week (or if you know for a fact what the offer was please state it). A total then of more than £6k a week spending power - enough to sign good replacements for R&R - available to DS for a month or so. He should have known it was highly likely that Roberts would leave for some weeks before he actually left (if he didn't know he must have been the only one), so he had time to identify a replacement in the eventuality of that happening.
DS has had plenty of time to identify and sign replacements and the money is clearly there for him to do so. He should have already replaced the pair, not by the end of August as you say. The season starts on August 8. and its preferable to get players bedded into the team before the season starts.

The club was losing money. A lot of money. The total wage bill for the business is around £4,000,000. The club are trying to address the losses. Its all there in last years accounts, wages, turnover losses etc.

SEB will have taken up Roberts wage.So as we stand your probably looking at a wage to replace Ryan.

Beelzebub, on 24 July 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

You're right, the money is there

Is it?

[azul]

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

My belief is evidenced based. The purchase of Clucas alone is ample.

Bonnyman is having a real downer of a time at the moment. I recall happier days.....

Bonnyman
Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:52 PM

Gardner is adding a new dimension direct expressive and already the confidence to do tricks,we have stolen banks and gardnervand mitchell should be doing time

Maybe Bonnyman is on a downer because he now realises neither Gardner or Banks look like they'll realise their potential

This post has been edited by azul: 24 July 2015 - 11:29 AM

[Tha Knows...]

a kick in the balls, on 24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

The club was losing money. A lot of money. The total wage bill for the business is around £4,000,000. The club are trying to address the losses. Its all there in last years accounts, wages, turnover losses etc.

SEB will have taken up Roberts wage.So as we stand your probably looking at a wage to replace Ryan.




Is it?

The club was ready to spend an estimated £5-6k a week on Roberts and Ryan after signing seb.

a kick in the balls, on 24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

The club was losing money. A lot of money. The total wage bill for the business is around £4,000,000. The club are trying to address the losses. Its all there in last years accounts, wages, turnover losses etc.

SEB will have taken up Roberts wage.So as we stand your probably looking at a wage to replace Ryan.




Is it?

So where did all the money go?

[Sammy Spireite]

I have it on good authority that some directors part funded the £90k purchase of Clucas. £10k each is a figure I've been told.

Now, assuming he leaves for a fee above that, should those directors get their cash back? with interest??

[Wooden Spoon]

sophocles, on 24 July 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

All this presupposes that some of the 'saved' money goes towards strengthening the squad. I haven't got a clue what the financial situation at the club is, and I see very little evidence that much is being invested in players. So far we've brought in SEB and a few kids, and given Tommy a new contract. Now I'm not advocating panic, BUT our first League game is TWO WEEKS from tomorrow!

When the club posts a £1,000,000 loss in a championship/wembley final season, and signs a couple of kids in close season (Onovwigun/Gboly) even David Blunkett can see what the financial situation is.

Wages increased with bonus on promotion, so the departure of Richards covered that, and Smith wages = Dan Jones. So the finances although healthier (higher crowds and 4th rnd FA cup, Doyle Cooper) are still not good on a day to day basis from last season.

Blimey, even Tooley warned us last season was the high water mark and to make the most of it. Anyone thinking that things are going to continue as they had for the last 2 seasons are going to be in for a surprise. The club cannot continue to run huge 6 figure losses season upon season, and there is no guarantee we will continue to have players good enough to command fees to cover these losses.

[fishini]

Beelzebub, on 24 July 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

You're right, the money is there but your impatience is unjustified. DS is hanging fire to see if anybody else leaves before making signings, as he has said, he builds his team and tactics on the players he has and doesn't force square pegs into round holes, so, if someone leaves he needs to take that into account with his new signings. With more squad places available he has greater opportunities to bring in better players and play in different ways.

Another advantage of leaving your signings till later is the fact that their prices drop, listen to Paul Dickov's RS interview from yesterday for an explanation of that!

Still deluded i see

[Andy Spireite]

Sammy Spireite, on 24 July 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

I have it on good authority that some directors part funded the £90k purchase of Clucas. £10k each is a figure I've been told.

Now, assuming he leaves for a fee above that, should those directors get their cash back? with interest??

If that's the case, what happened to the Cooper money?

[dim view]

azul, on 24 July 2015 - 11:28 AM, said:

Maybe Bonnyman is on a downer because he now realises neither Gardner or Banks look like they'll realise their potential

If the limit of their potential has been reached, then they have still done a great job as squad members getting us to where we are. We have had our money's worth if they leave tomorrow. If you think that reflects badly on Mitch, you are also on a downer.

[Wooden Spoon]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

The club was ready to spend an estimated £5-6k a week on Roberts and Ryan after signing seb.


The club wanted Roberts wages off the books!!!!

So where did all the money go?

I`d look at how a business with a turnover of £6,500,000 has a total wage bill of £4,000,000.

[Tha Knows...]

fishini, on 24 July 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

Still deluded i see

Yes you don't need to be a football manager to realise we need a partner in CM for Morsy. There's no square peg / round hole argument about it. Hopefully the Ryan replacement is being sorted imminently as it's been dragging on far too long. It's possible DS intended to replace Roberts with Clucas and is waiting on the Clucas situation but whether that move would be a square peg in a round hole is debatable.

[Tha Knows...]

KITB

If the club wanted Roberts off the books they should have told DS. He says he wanted to build the team around him.

Is there no breakdown of the wage bill in the accounts such as amount on players/ bonuses?

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

It's possible DS intended to replace Roberts with Clucas and is waiting on the Clucas situation but whether that move would be a square peg in a round hole is debatable.

It's a very short debate. Robbo was not a L1 top 6 player. Unlike Clucas.

[fishini]

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

It's a very short debate. Robbo was not a L1 top 6 player. Unlike Clucas.

What was he then?

[brianclose]

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

It's a very short debate. Robbo was not a L1 top 6 player. Unlike Clucas.

No I would have put him top 5.

[dim view]

fishini, on 24 July 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

What was he then?

It's a little brain teaser. You have to work it out.

[dtp]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

KITB

If the club wanted Roberts off the books they should have told DS. He says he wanted to build the team around him.

Is there no breakdown of the wage bill in the accounts such as amount on players/ bonuses?

I heard DS say he wanted to keep Roberts but I never heard him say that he wanted to build a team around him.

Anyway, Roberts didn't want to stay and he is now off the books and injured on top of which we signed him for nowt and sold him for summat.

[azul]

Andy Spireite, on 24 July 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

If that's the case, what happened to the Cooper money?

Well hopefully it has gone on reducing our debt and not subsidising continuing losses. We will find out soon

Think it is safe to say little went into squad strengthening

[Wooden Spoon]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

KITB

If the club wanted Roberts off the books they should have told DS. He says he wanted to build the team around him.

Is there no breakdown of the wage bill in the accounts such as amount on players/ bonuses?

There were comments among fans in February, that Roberts would be leaving. It depends who you listen to I suppose.

Freelander 2 aluded to it as well around that sort of time.

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

It's a very short debate. Robbo was not a L1 top 6 player. Unlike Clucas.

league table, and his assists for CFC suggest he was.

[Bonnyman]

azul, on 24 July 2015 - 11:28 AM, said:

Maybe Bonnyman is on a downer because he now realises neither Gardner or Banks look like they'll realise their potential

Dead right im gutted banks had a chequered start to his career playing out of position and then did well but his form tapered off and he was out of form when he got injured at wembley, since then he has done nothing.

As for Gardner he looks a world beater 2 minutes out of 90 but he plays with the choke out and makes bad decisions, he tries to do everything at a million miles an hour, in his head im convinced he thinks he is ronaldo, problem is ronaldo has a brain.

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

It's a very short debate. Robbo was not a L1 top 6 player. Unlike Clucas.

They never are when they leave.