[dalekpete]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 23 July 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

I'll go 300k TD 700k Clucas

If those were our valuations I think both deals would be done!

[firedodger]

metallilad, on 23 July 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Is Clucas truly worth more than Doyle?

Yes, far better footballer

[Search & Destroy]

Bonnyman, on 23 July 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

15/2 for us to go down ....id say thats a massive rick by the bookmakers..the reason we did so well was having players who loved having the ball, possesion stats wil be down and our defence will creak like an old barn door...we should be 2/1 if we lose a big name.

Well, we will lose at least 2 more, that's a big, big price.

[azul]

Having read the recent posts on this thread I can't believe how easy going everyone is at seeing our team disassembled before our very eyes

Some even seem to be relishing it

[azul]

Bonnyman, on 23 July 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

15/2 for us to go down ....id say thats a massive rick by the bookmakers..the reason we did so well was having players who loved having the ball, possesion stats wil be down and our defence will creak like an old barn door...we should be 2/1 if we lose a big name.

Might have dabble at that price if these transfers go through

Put it towards next seasons trips to Eastleigh and Forest Green

dalekpete, on 23 July 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

If those were our valuations I think both deals would be done!

No, if they were half our valuation the deals would be done

[mattthespireite]

azul, on 23 July 2015 - 10:44 PM, said:

Having read the recent posts on this thread I can't believe how easy going everyone is at seeing our team disassembled before our very eyes

Some even seem to be relishing it

What would you like to see from folk?
It is what it is and we,as supporters, can only look on as our club continues with this 'transition'. I think most folk on here are realists and accept that our better players will always be sold. There is nowt wrong in players wanting to play at the highest level possible and earn some fantastic wages along the way. We have to sell Darikwa for the best price we can. No point keeping an unsettled player then see him leave for nowt next year.
Only thing that concerns me is our reluctance to sign any quality players to replace the recently departed. Surely DA ain't daft enough to believe he can get away without investing some cash in some quality signings? Without them we are favourites for relegation and the club would suffer financially so I have to believe that we have targets and will see some movement in the next week or so.
I admit though that it's very worrying we ain't been linked with anyone.....yet all our players keep getting linked with other clubs.

This post has been edited by mattthespireite: 24 July 2015 - 12:48 AM

[Middle East]

mattthespireite, on 24 July 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

What would you like to see from folk?
It is what it is and we,as supporters, can only look on as our club continues with this 'transition'. I think most folk on here are realists and accept that our better players will always be sold. There is nowt wrong in players wanting to play at the highest level possible and earn some fantastic wages along the way. We have to sell Darikwa for the best price we can. No point keeping an unsettled player then see him leave for nowt next year.
Only thing that concerns me is our reluctance to sign any quality players to replace the recently departed. Surely DA ain't daft enough to believe he can get away without investing some cash in some quality signings? Without them we are favourites for relegation and the club would suffer financially so I have to believe that we have targets and will see some movement in the next week or so.
I admit though that it's very worrying we ain't been linked with anyone.....yet all our players keep getting linked with other clubs.

I think its chicken and egg regarding signings....namely we wont/cant afford them until we get some decent money from the sale of either clucas/darikwa or both.

I agree regarding departures and whilst i would love to keep them, if them going means we can adequately replace them , secure 2 more quality sigings and wipe a million off the debt then from a business point of view it has to be done...

I am also comfortable at not publically being linked to other players, providing we are doing stuff behind closed doors and some quality ends up in a town shirt by the end of August!

[dim view]

Middle East, on 24 July 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

I am also comfortable at not publically being linked to other players, providing we are doing stuff behind closed doors and some quality ends up in a town shirt by the end of August!

it's Mitch's job to do just that. That's why he's on the payroll. He's one of the best in the business. What's more, he said over a month ago that the approaching period is when he thought deals would be done.

[Bonnyman]

dim view, on 24 July 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

it's Mitch's job to do just that. That's why he's on the payroll. He's one of the best in the business. What's more, he said over a month ago that the approaching period is when he thought deals would be done.

if he is one of the best in the business why is he working for us?

[azul]

mattthespireite, on 24 July 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

What would you like to see from folk?
It is what it is and we,as supporters, can only look on as our club continues with this 'transition'. I think most folk on here are realists and accept that our better players will always be sold. There is nowt wrong in players wanting to play at the highest level possible and earn some fantastic wages along the way. We have to sell Darikwa for the best price we can. No point keeping an unsettled player then see him leave for nowt next year.
Only thing that concerns me is our reluctance to sign any quality players to replace the recently departed. Surely DA ain't daft enough to believe he can get away without investing some cash in some quality signings? Without them we are favourites for relegation and the club would suffer financially so I have to believe that we have targets and will see some movement in the next week or so.
I admit though that it's very worrying we ain't been linked with anyone.....yet all our players keep getting linked with other clubs.

Of course there is nothing practical as supporters, that we can do about this sell off. That wasn't my complain, it was that we seem more concerned about DA's bank account than we do about anything else.

There are few examples of a club being stripped of its talent as us and we weren't even that successful last year. We were only a few points off being in an obscure mid table position. I get the impression that other clubs see us as an easy target and a place for a bargain. Maybe even DA has realised that things have got a bit out of hand. Perhaps the club are playing hardball over Darikwa in an attempt to arrest it but it is all too late after our CEO's past antics.

Regarding your last paragraph, I would've thought the same but there is precious little evidence that 30% of transfer income is being reinvested in the squad (and I'm not just talking transfer fees) so now I'm not so sure. I'd argue that 30% is flawed anyway. That might be ok if you are selling one to two players a year but if we are talking 4, 5 or 6 it just isn't sustainable. Does it concern you thatnSaunders has admitted he hasn't really been looking at additions as yet.

[azul]

Bonnyman, on 24 July 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

if he is one of the best in the business why is he working for us?

Just thinking that myself. Maybe we are paying him premiership wages or maybe he is just doing it for the love of the club?

People will believe anything

[sophocles]

Middle East, on 24 July 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

I think its chicken and egg regarding signings....namely we wont/cant afford them until we get some decent money from the sale of either clucas/darikwa or both.

I agree regarding departures and whilst i would love to keep them, if them going means we can adequately replace them , secure 2 more quality sigings and wipe a million off the debt then from a business point of view it has to be done...

I am also comfortable at not publically being linked to other players, providing we are doing stuff behind closed doors and some quality ends up in a town shirt by the end of August!

At the risk of sounding a bit negative, have you noticed that we will have played five games by then? I'd have thought it was better to shut the stable door BEFORE the horse has bolted.

[dim view]

azul, on 24 July 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

People will believe anything

My belief is evidenced based. The purchase of Clucas alone is ample.

Bonnyman is having a real downer of a time at the moment. I recall happier days.....

Bonnyman
Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:52 PM

Gardner is adding a new dimension direct expressive and already the confidence to do tricks,we have stolen banks and gardnervand mitchell should be doing time

[brianclose]

sophocles, on 24 July 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

At the risk of sounding a bit negative, have you noticed that we will have played five games by then? I'd have thought it was better to shut the stable door BEFORE the horse has bolted.

Yes I remember when we went into a League One season similarly underprepared. That didn't end well.

[Tha Knows...]

Middle East, on 24 July 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

I think its chicken and egg regarding signings....namely we wont/cant afford them until we get some decent money from the sale of either clucas/darikwa or both.

I agree regarding departures and whilst i would love to keep them, if them going means we can adequately replace them , secure 2 more quality sigings and wipe a million off the debt then from a business point of view it has to be done...

I am also comfortable at not publically being linked to other players, providing we are doing stuff behind closed doors and some quality ends up in a town shirt by the end of August!

I don't get this about not being able to afford replacements for Roberts and Ryan. Roberts has taken £3k off the wage bill and DS should also have some "commission" from the transfer fee to spend. Ryan's wages were going to be doubled, let's say to £3k a week (or if you know for a fact what the offer was please state it). A total then of more than £6k a week spending power - enough to sign good replacements for R&R - available to DS for a month or so. He should have known it was highly likely that Roberts would leave for some weeks before he actually left (if he didn't know he must have been the only one), so he had time to identify a replacement in the eventuality of that happening.
DS has had plenty of time to identify and sign replacements and the money is clearly there for him to do so. He should have already replaced the pair, not by the end of August as you say. The season starts on August 8. and its preferable to get players bedded into the team before the season starts.

[Tha Knows...]

Following on, the sale of Clucas, if and when it happens, will free up wages plus a transfer fee % for a replacement for Clucas. The sale of Darikwa, if and when it happens, will free up wages plus a transfer fee % for a replacement for Darikwa. DS cannot sign those replacements yet but he should have identified replacements by now as the possibility of them leaving has been rumbling on for many weeks.

[brianclose]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

Following on, the sale of Clucas, if and when it happens, will free up wages plus a transfer fee % for a replacement for Clucas. The sale of Darikwa, if and when it happens, will free up wages plus a transfer fee % for a replacement for Darikwa. DS cannot sign those replacements yet but he should have identified replacements by now as the possibility of them leaving has been rumbling on for many weeks.

30% of it anyway!

[Tha Knows...]

brianclose, on 24 July 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:

30% of it anyway!

That plus the wages they are on will be spendo for DS to replace them (allegedly). If the pair sold for a total of £1m thats another £300k on top of their freed-up wages, which are within the existing budget (allegedly)

[Beelzebub]

Spire-Power, on 24 July 2015 - 10:18 AM, said:

I don't get this about not being able to afford replacements for Roberts and Ryan. Roberts has taken £3k off the wage bill and DS should also have some "commission" from the transfer fee to spend. Ryan's wages were going to be doubled, let's say to £3k a week (or if you know for a fact what the offer was please state it). A total then of more than £6k a week spending power - enough to sign good replacements for R&R - available to DS for a month or so. He should have known it was highly likely that Roberts would leave for some weeks before he actually left (if he didn't know he must have been the only one), so he had time to identify a replacement in the eventuality of that happening.
DS has had plenty of time to identify and sign replacements and the money is clearly there for him to do so. He should have already replaced the pair, not by the end of August as you say. The season starts on August 8. and its preferable to get players bedded into the team before the season starts.

You're right, the money is there but your impatience is unjustified. DS is hanging fire to see if anybody else leaves before making signings, as he has said, he builds his team and tactics on the players he has and doesn't force square pegs into round holes, so, if someone leaves he needs to take that into account with his new signings. With more squad places available he has greater opportunities to bring in better players and play in different ways.

Another advantage of leaving your signings till later is the fact that their prices drop, listen to Paul Dickov's RS interview from yesterday for an explanation of that!

[sophocles]

All this presupposes that some of the 'saved' money goes towards strengthening the squad. I haven't got a clue what the financial situation at the club is, and I see very little evidence that much is being invested in players. So far we've brought in SEB and a few kids, and given Tommy a new contract. Now I'm not advocating panic, BUT our first League game is TWO WEEKS from tomorrow!