[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

This is wor I think.....
With PC's knowledge, the agent contacted Portsmouth, where he already has connections, and registered an interest. He asked them to keep the interest confidential until after the playoffs and was gobsmacked when the Pompey chair dismissed the request, as he had to do if PC is first choice.
AS CT said to that lass at the Post, 'agents run the game'.

That's my line of thought, although I don't think Cook would have necessarily known, even though it would have obviously been telling his agent of any issues at the Proact. Let's face it, it pays for agents to 'churn' players, coaches and managers as every time there is an increase in pay for their man, or a signing on fee, it's more bucks in the pocket of the agent and of course the player. I would think one of the worst that could happen to an agent is if his man tells him he is perfectly happy where he is and he intends signing an extension on his contract at the same money.

[moondog]

boot, on 29 April 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

I was told several weeks ago that Paul Cook was not happy by the lack of backing in the transfer market having brought in over £1.5 million in player sales - no it wasn't a friend of a friend of a friend. He employs an agent to look after him and it appears that things were not entirely to his liking at Chesterfield. The Portsmouth job becomes available and it's not difficult to imagine a scenario in which his agent has made an enquiry on Cook's behalf because that's his job. His agent knows everything there is to know about Cook's contract - he was instrumental in negotiating it and will have informed Portsmouth accordingly. How on earth anybody thinks Turner let some sort of secret out of the bag and Portsmouth picked up on it is beyond me. There are no secrets if an agent is involved. It's no secret that Cook has done amazing things here- how could it be ? It's no secret that he had a contract with a buy out clause and even if it was his agent is going to disclose those contract details to whoever he thinks fit.

I agree it been clear understandably that Cook was unhappy with not getting a greater share of the proceeds of the Doyle sale to strengthen the side, also accept your point well made about the agent, my point is Turner went out of his way, literally as well as metaphorically to assist the agent

[Trigger]

What was quoted as a %age we would get for transfers and what would go towards the debt from player sales? Can anybody remember? I seem to think it was 40/60 or 30/70. Did PC get that money to spend? Will it be forwarded over to next season? I think not. No wonder the guys pizzed.

[Mr Mercury]

Trigger (not the freak), on 29 April 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

What was quoted as a %age we would get for transfers and what would go towards the debt from player sales? Can anybody remember? I seem to think it was 40/60 or 30/70. Did PC get that money to spend? Will it be forwarded over to next season? I think not. No wonder the guys pizzed.

What I'd be more interested is how much of the money went to the club regardless of how they used it, and how much, if any, went to club staff as part of incentive payments.

[dim view]

NOKIN, on 29 April 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

If what you say is correct, I'm 100% with you. It is a complete lack of respect for the club, respect being a word he used in nearly every interview.

Surely no one can be in any doubt that PC or anyone else who has an agent is aware at all times of what their agent is doing.

[BurySpireite]

So for someone who doesn't have the time to read all 14 pages of this thread and educate themselves with all the current speculation, fluctuating odds, half-truths and rumours - what's the common theme we're looking at here?

Are general thoughts that he's still off, still thought to be a 'done deal'?

Obviously nobody knows for sure but would like to know if I can relax a bit or if I should still be expecting to wave goodbye to cookie come the end of the play-offs. Cheers.

[Cartman]

NOKIN, on 29 April 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

If what you say is correct, I'm 100% with you. It is a complete lack of respect for the club, respect being a word he used in nearly every interview.

don't agree

I'm sure everyone with this view has never ever applied for another job whilst still having one?

It is possible for someone to apply for a job, not get it and remain committed to the job they are in, it is called being professional

[Trigger]

BurySpireite, on 29 April 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

So for someone who doesn't have the time to read all 14 pages of this thread and educate themselves with all the current speculation, fluctuating odds, half-truths and rumours - what's the common theme we're looking at here?

Are general thoughts that he's still off, still thought to be a 'done deal'?

Obviously nobody knows for sure but would like to know if I can relax a bit or if I should still be expecting to wave goodbye to cookie come the end of the play-offs. Cheers.

Cooks just gone to 2/7 from 1/4. I dunno if he'll go to pompy or not. If we don't go up I think he may still leave though, wherever it may be

[Westbars Spireite]

Cartman, on 29 April 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

don't agree

I'm sure everyone with this view has never ever applied for another job whilst still having one?

It is possible for someone to apply for a job, not get it and remain committed to the job they are in, it is called being professional

Can see both sides but what you say is correct.

[dim view]

Cartman, on 29 April 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

don't agree

I'm sure everyone with this view has never ever applied for another job whilst still having one?

It is possible for someone to apply for a job, not get it and remain committed to the job they are in, it is called being professional

you are missing the point. It's the much heralded reason for the application - that we have insufficient ambition - that I don't respect cos by nature of our position, it's bollux. Now, if the real reason turns out to be summat different then that will come as a major surprise.

One iota of sympathy for his situation that I have is that there is no way Portsmouth should be able to compete salary wise with us for a manager who has got us where we are. There should be no club lower than us that pays it's manager more.

[Westbars Spireite]

They should be able to compete salary-wise with double our attendances.

[Spireite-Karl]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

you are missing the point. It's the much heralded reason for the application - that we have insufficient ambition - that I don't respect cos by nature of our position, it's bollux. Now, if the real reason turns out to be summat different then that will come as a major surprise.

One iota of sympathy for his situation that I have is that there is no way Portsmouth should be able to compete salary wise with us for a manager who has got us where we are. There should be no club lower than us that pays it's manager more.

That's just daft! So what if we win our final league game on Sunday, should we paying more than United can afford for their manager? What about when Man City, Sunderland, Derby etc were all at this level? We can't compete with clubs that are a lot bigger than us end of. Yes Pompey have difficulties, but I'm sure that as part of their overall staffing budget they can afford more than us as they can generate a hell of a lot more incoming monies, despite what they may or may not currently be repaying.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 April 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

They should be able to compete salary-wise with double our attendances.

Yep. Ergo, we should pay as much as them. We must be the only top 6 team whose manager would contemplate a move lower. Food for thought DA.

[azul]

Trigger (not the freak), on 29 April 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Cooks just gone to 2/7 from 1/4. I dunno if he'll go to pompy or not. If we don't go up I think he may still leave though, wherever it may be

He's clearly reaching escape velocity, let's hope he doesn't burn up in someone else's atmosphere

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

Yep. Ergo, we should pay as much as them. We must be the only top 6 team whose manager would contemplate a move lower. Food for thought DA.

Do you think this about his own pay?

I genuinely don't think it is.

[Spireite-Karl]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

Yep. Ergo, we should pay as much as them. We must be the only top 6 team whose manager would contemplate a move lower. Food for thought DA.

I'm sure it has more to do with player wage budgets that can hold back and damage his ambition more than personal salaries.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 29 April 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Do you think this about his own pay?

I genuinely don't think it is.

I genuinely think it's about his agent's pay.

It's clearly ridiculous to criticise budgets prior to us settling our destiny. He may have the budget from Heaven.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

I genuinely think it's about his agent's pay.

It's clearly ridiculous to criticise budgets prior to us settling our destiny. He may have the budget from Heaven.

His agent would no doubt have his pocket lined by any move. His motivation will be driven by his own wallet.

Budget complaints re this season will seem a little hollow if we get promoted at Wembley.

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 29 April 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

I genuinely think it's about his agent's pay.

It's clearly ridiculous to criticise budgets prior to us settling our destiny. He may have the budget from Heaven.

I think its pretty clear that the budget is the key issue

It was mentioned early this season, it was mentioned at the bridge inn Q+A and clearly the recruitment process at the end of the transfer window wasn't what many expected.

we received a lot of money - now exact figures are sketchy, so much is instalments and add ons - however, its fair to say that as we stand the club would have £750k (ish) in the bank from selling Cooper and Doyle, with perhaps as much again to come.......we spent somewhere in the region of £80k...........around 10%........do you imagine Cook was chuffed to bits with that?

We can also set a budget, that is dependant on which division we are in. So, next season is either £"same as" if we are still inL1 or same as plus "X" if we go up. Either way, those at the club would have a good idea what is to be spent.




Budget from heaven would be a million extra or even double what we are currently spending, for this division. Budget from heaven would be many millions more than we can afford if we went up.

As for PC and his agent - perhaps the agent did contact Pompey, but IMO this is to strengthen PC position and put pressure on the board to increase funds, rather than to engineer a move to Pompey because he wants to go and work on the south coast.