[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 22 January 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Morning H
There's 1 highly respected poster on here, freelander2, who thinks the the Business is in deep shiiite despite this year's success. He has asked for a meeting with CT/AC but has so far not been able to get in. I eagerly await feedback when it does eventually happen.

F2 as well?

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 22 January 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

Hear Hear (spelt correctly 'cos I've googled)!!.

They both presumably do what management tell 'em, and it's quite obvious that Iain uses his initiative above and beyond.

I still blame Nick though for spreading the confusion that the £1m council loan was a gift. It never was. In fact it turns out, and I know this 'cos I've asked, that the loan was probably the most important help that the club has ever received in it's hour of need. So, thanks Council. Pay them back DA, then you might get another one at some desperate time.

at the time it was publicised as a loan, and then a couple of years converted to a commercial mortgage.




In fact, IIRC didn't the council do 2 loans, one of 500k post CVA? and then a further 500k, possibly to do the safe standing and seats etc at saltergate? I seem to remember something along those lines

[Beelzebub]

Goku, on 22 January 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

Do you actually do anything but whine about other people's contributions? Bore off and try thinking of something else for once.

Ah, one of the usual suspects who thinks his views are more important than those of other posters. Good post mate, keep it up. Your contributions are always sparkling and constructive and really add to the quality of the debate.

[h again]

Westbars Spireite, on 22 January 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

Interesting way of looking at things. Someone else might speculate that the on field success is little do it him and that most of what he touches goes rather badly.

It might have been a more credible angle had you left out the bit about him signing a manager out of the blue when it's well documented that that move was driven entirely by Dave Allen.

If you've seen the documents I wouldn't argue, but they've passed me by. Do you know where I can see them, or is it just a 'well-documented' story on here? We can be sure that CT didn't see Cookie's team and sign him off his own bat, but it's also the case that DA wouldn't do that either. Consultation and extensive research would have to take place, but if DA is claiming all the credit, who am I to argue?
As for all the other points, which are probably even more important in the long term, it's all CEO territory - the club has been completely re-vamped, not just in personnel but in its outlook. Change doesn't just happen, it has to be driven through against obstacles, and that's the CEO's job.
But the basic question has to be - is the club successful at this moment and in comparison with similar businesses? Well, it looks pretty successful to me, in fact it looks to have the infrastructure of a Championship outfit, quite apart from the football credentials, which transformation I'm sure was in CT's brief from the start.
So successful club - credit to the CEO.

[Westbars Spireite]

Dave Allen said so publicly. I presume you aren't going to accuse him of lying.

[Mr Mercury]

Ive heard Dave Allen say it at a PotY do, whilst beating Accrington under the temporary management duo of Wright and Crossley whilst receiving a footballing lesson from Cooks team, Allen asked CT what the likely budget would be there, when CT told him, DA said to CT, OK then we need to talk to them about their manager.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on 22 January 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

If you've seen the documents I wouldn't argue, but they've passed me by. Do you know where I can see them, or is it just a 'well-documented' story on here? We can be sure that CT didn't see Cookie's team and sign him off his own bat, but it's also the case that DA wouldn't do that either. Consultation and extensive research would have to take place, but if DA is claiming all the credit, who am I to argue?
As for all the other points, which are probably even more important in the long term, it's all CEO territory - the club has been completely re-vamped, not just in personnel but in its outlook. Change doesn't just happen, it has to be driven through against obstacles, and that's the CEO's job.
But the basic question has to be - is the club successful at this moment and in comparison with similar businesses? Well, it looks pretty successful to me, in fact it looks to have the infrastructure of a Championship outfit, quite apart from the football credentials, which transformation I'm sure was in CT's brief from the start.
So successful club - credit to the CEO.

Why do you lie, blatantly ignore facts, and argue black is white for the sake of it?

[h again]

dim view, on 22 January 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Morning H
There's 1 highly respected poster on here, freelander2, who thinks the the Business is in deep shiiite despite this year's success. He has asked for a meeting with CT/AC but has so far not been able to get in. I eagerly await feedback when it does eventually happen.

Don't you think the man on Deedah, who I would categorize as someone who doesn't do 'online' and who is by no means in a small minority, should have been given an apology because he could neither get through on the phone nor have the option to queue?.

When eventually we get knocked out of the cup, we'll be able to start a thread on estimated money made since the 'irrelevant' clerical error before the MK match. This will be the figure, 6 digits long, of how much the irrelevant error could have cost us. Ironically, I'll put all this down to Armand 'cos there's no way the FA would have ordered a replay if we hadn't won.

Does he really think that? He seems a lot less dramatic in the contact I've had with him.
It's certainly true that we aren't paying DA back as fast as we, or he, would like, but the debt is manageable and planned for, and has not risen to any significant extent as a result of all the re-structuring and new appointments that have gone on.
I may be being a bit generous to CT over this, because I'm sure DA keeps him on a tight rein, but he's managed to push through major changes with a very tight budget.
You can talk about the admin slip-ups for evermore, but they're irrelevant to the big picture, they happen in every organisation that has people in it, and they'll still be happening next season and in 20 years time.
And people who never, EVER, make a mistake themselves will still be enjoying a good whinge at every opportunity

[Westbars Spireite]

Dave Allen had to inject cash to ensure wages were paid in the summer. That doesn't suggest to me a business that's in rude health or anything approaching it. Whatever 'restructuring' has been done, it may need undoing if that is a symptom of it.

[h again]

a kick in the balls, on 22 January 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:

Why do you lie, blatantly ignore facts, and argue black is white for the sake of it?

Would you like to give us a few examples? Don't be shy.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on 22 January 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Would you like to give us a few examples? Don't be shy.

http://www.player.ch...allen-interview

[Wooden Spoon]

Westbars Spireite, on 22 January 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Dave Allen had to inject cash to ensure wages were paid in the summer. That doesn't suggest to me a business that's in rude health or anything approaching it. Whatever 'restructuring' has been done, it may need undoing if that is a symptom of it.

Since when did the court jester let the facts get in the way of a good argument?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

h again, on 22 January 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

If you've seen the documents I wouldn't argue, but they've passed me by. Do you know where I can see them, or is it just a 'well-documented' story on here? We can be sure that CT didn't see Cookie's team and sign him off his own bat, but it's also the case that DA wouldn't do that either. Consultation and extensive research would have to take place, but if DA is claiming all the credit, who am I to argue?
As for all the other points, which are probably even more important in the long term, it's all CEO territory - the club has been completely re-vamped, not just in personnel but in its outlook. Change doesn't just happen, it has to be driven through against obstacles, and that's the CEO's job.
But the basic question has to be - is the club successful at this moment and in comparison with similar businesses? Well, it looks pretty successful to me, in fact it looks to have the infrastructure of a Championship outfit, quite apart from the football credentials, which transformation I'm sure was in CT's brief from the start.
So successful club - credit to the CEO.

I've given you a +1, just for artistic license!

[shaun1866]

Brookie, on 22 January 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Is that a tourist visa or permit to work which would take longer in my opinion


Tourist visa its possible, if you did that for a work permit I'm amazed

Both work visas and 1 being a multi entry. Il give you a tip use a company called CDN.

[Westbars Spireite]

a kick in the balls, on 22 January 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

Since when did the court jester let the facts get in the way of a good argument?

Turner needs everyone in his corner he can get. If H is that man then so be it.

[Wooden Spoon]

Westbars Spireite, on 22 January 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

Turner needs everyone in his corner he can get. If H is that man then so be it.

If your having to rely on the court jester as the man in your corner, then you just know your in deep trouble

h again, on 22 January 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

If you've seen the documents I wouldn't argue, but they've passed me by. Do you know where I can see them,

http://www.player.ch...allen-interview

a kick in the balls, on 20 January 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

I think sensible debate on Boco has finished

hmmmm

[jack'smyboy]

shaun1866, on 22 January 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

Both work visas and 1 being a multi entry. Il give you a tip use a company called CDN.

Not sure if that is the name of the place my OH uses, but they typically get three days for work visas too. On one occasion they were so fast getting it sorted that OH's secretary hid his passport for a few hours so that he could say he'd not had it back yet.

[clarevoyant.]

With only limited knowledge of people going to work in India, you certainly don't do it on a whim and the rigmarole, can take an age unless there is some means of palm crossing and a fast track method. Therefore there is an argument to say Boco has been planning this for awhile and considering his conduct when we tried to sign him before he ditched us for Plymouth, must sow seeds of doubt.

[Goku]

Beelzebub, on 22 January 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ah, one of the usual suspects who thinks his views are more important than those of other posters. Good post mate, keep it up. Your contributions are always sparkling and constructive and really add to the quality of the debate.

Considering your contributions over the years this is one of the most ironic things I've seen on this forum. Genuine congratulations for such a lack of self-awareness. Your constant "this board is full of rubbish posters" (paraphrased) is fascinatingly dull and is exactly what you've accused me of, you hypocritical bore.

This post has been edited by Goku: 22 January 2015 - 08:27 PM

[shaun1866]

jack, on 22 January 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

Not sure if that is the name of the place my OH uses, but they typically get three days for work visas too. On one occasion they were so fast getting it sorted that OH's secretary hid his passport for a few hours so that he could say he'd not had it back yet.

India Pakistan and the Middle East they are like lightning.