[Goku]

azul, on 20 January 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

Exactly

Turner in attempt to defect blame, SHOCK HORROR

In a peverse way it's quite funny watching him constantly mess up in pretty much every area possible. I wonder what his next trick will be.

[Middle East]

Goku, on 21 January 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

In a peverse way it's quite funny watching him constantly mess up in pretty much every area possible. I wonder what his next trick will be.

That will probably be revealed in the ticketing arrangements after we beat derby....

[Brookie]

Just to put my ten pennorth in, will miss Boco because he was a good squad player but not one I would look to turn a match in our favour. I feel Tendayi played better knowing Boco was in front of him and gave Tendayi the impetus to push forward.

This is a link to a paper in India and the photo was clearly taken in India http://www.thehindu....icle6805638.ece

Now over the years I have travelled to India a lot on business and I know it takes a few weeks to obtain a visa and I imagine a permit to work even longer. For Boco to be in India so quickly suggests to me that he knew for some time he was going to India and the wheels had been set in motion a few weeks ago. I accept it is possible that Bharat FC will have some influence and will be able to speed the process up but knowing the Indians love of administration I doubt any advance in the application process would be significant.

[Stockholm Spireite]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Either Chris Turner doesn't know whats been going on or he is deliberately trying to paint Rommy in a black picture.

FACTS
Rommy had been offered a derisory offer back in November. Rommy was seeing what other players in the squad were on and just couldn't sign what was on offer. He felt he was equal to certain squad players that were nowhere near the first team. Thats all. He wasn't being greedy and never expected to match the earnings of even the top 10 earners in the squad.

But wages are (in the main) justified on past performances over an extended period of time. How can Rommy justify achieving parity with player x just because he feels he is someone's equal? He's been in and out of the team during his stay. If you're not playing, you can't justify that you're as good as anyone...

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

£500 pw until the end of the season

So that's 2k per month...24k per year. And you say it's not enough? Maybe only if you compare your earnings to others, but when you rate it compared to to your own value to the organisation, it is usually accurate. Removing the ego is what's required here. When I started my current career, my salary was 17,001 p.a. I guess there are some that would love to earn that much, if they are not earning it now, but that is still greater than the 1k per month you say Rommy was working for in another post. So in effect, CFC offered to double his money with 500pw to the end of the season and he still said no.

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 10:25 PM, said:

He NEVER grumbled but was offered £1200 pw by a conference side back in August so you can't expect him to sign a £500pw contract at 29 years old surely.

If you're saying that 500pw at the age of 29 is derisory, than whoever advised him to refuse 1200pw and hold out for more (in hope!) is a fool. On one hand, you're saying Rommy has to do what's best for him and get as big wage as he can. But on the other hand you're saying he refused a deal at more than double the money offered because of the way the club plays football and the dynamic with the manager. You and Rommy had a bird in the hand with the conference side. If you gamble, you have to expect to lose sometime.

And, if you REALLY want to play for the club and the manager, then accept the lower terms and get on with being a footballer...

[Middle East]

Stockholm Spireite, on 21 January 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

But wages are (in the main) justified on past performances over an extended period of time. How can Rommy justify achieving parity with player x just because he feels he is someone's equal? He's been in and out of the team during his stay. If you're not playing, you can't justify that you're as good as anyone...




So that's 2k per month...24k per year. And you say it's not enough? Maybe only if you compare your earnings to others, but when you rate it compared to to your own value to the organisation, it is usually accurate. Removing the ego is what's required here. When I started my current career, my salary was 17,001 p.a. I guess there are some that would love to earn that much, if they are not earning it now, but that is still greater than the 1k per month you say Rommy was working for in another post. So in effect, CFC offered to double his money with 500pw to the end of the season and he still said no.





If you're saying that 500pw at the age of 29 is derisory, than whoever advised him to refuse 1200pw and hold out for more (in hope!) is a fool. On one hand, you're saying Rommy has to do what's best for him and get as big wage as he can. But on the other hand you're saying he refused a deal at more than double the money offered because of the way the club plays football and the dynamic with the manager. You and Rommy had a bird in the hand with the conference side. If you gamble, you have to expect to lose sometime.

And, if you REALLY want to play for the club and the manager, then accept the lower terms and get on with being a footballer...

Couldn't disagree more. If we have offered him £500 a week it is derisory for a player of his ability. He was never going to accept that, particularly when there are players on £3k per week (straight out of cooks mouth). An offer of a grand would have been about right in this market and who knows he may well have accepted that!

I can't help but feel that Turner has handled this badly yet again...

[moondog]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Either Chris Turner doesn't know whats been going on or he is deliberately trying to paint Rommy in a black picture.

FACTS
Rommy had been offered a derisory offer back in November. Rommy was seeing what other players in the squad were on and just couldn't sign what was on offer. He felt he was equal to certain squad players that were nowhere near the first team. Thats all. He wasn't being greedy and never expected to match the earnings of even the top 10 earners in the squad.

He never has posted on any social media site.

He had at least 1 very good offer back in August but wanted to stay at CFC because of the way they play football and because of the Paul Cook factor. He was actually in my car when he was persuaded not to sign for Bristol Rovers because Drew Talbot was going to be out for months and he was promised a contract by the end of that window. It never materialised.

He does have an ongoing building development plan in Plymouth but is not under financial pressure due to assurances by me. He just wanted a fair deal. He is far too proud for me or anyone to sub him which is why he took the job at Jacksons. At that time he wasn't starting games and taking home just over £1000 per month! He then had too endure being called Pie man by the chief exec!!

Even last Thursday when he was with me in Plymouth for his planning decision he was desperate to sign for CFC. They were going to call him by 12 o clock but never did. All the time the agent from India was pressuring him strongly. It wasn't until Friday morning when he met CFC before they travelled to Swindon that an acceptable offer was made but it was too late. CFC had had since August and it wasn't until Bradford, Scunthorpe, Yeovil and India offered a good contract did CFC take him seriously.
He was a very popular member of the squad and well respected. Garry Roberts even offered to pay him not to go to jacksons so that he was fresh for matches as he viewed him as an important cog in the team and wanted to ensure he picked up win bonuses!

Rommy has already told me not to post on this site before and will be furious that I have but I can't stand by and watch a very good friends character be assassinated by people who do not know him or the facts. If he was offered what he is worth he would be back in a shot after his Indian adventure if paul Cook is still at Chesterfield. He genuinely would still be a Spierite if he had been treated with the respect he deserves. Good Luck on Saturday and for the rest of the season.

When does his contract in India expire ?

[Stockholm Spireite]

Middle East, on 21 January 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

Couldn't disagree more. If we have offered him £500 a week it is derisory for a player of his ability. He was never going to accept that, particularly when there are players on £3k per week (straight out of cooks mouth). An offer of a grand would have been about right in this market and who knows he may well have accepted that!

I can't help but feel that Turner has handled this badly yet again...

I don't mind you disagreeing at all.

I think CFC have handled this badly, with Turner's comments that are completely unnecessary. But also Rommy (and maybe his "people"?) haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, either. I believe that CFC and Turner could have just released a bland statement saying Rommy has signed elsewhere, we thank him for his services and wish him well at his new club. CT's comments have led to a lot of digging, conjecture and wild speculation, with Rommy's mate feeling as though he has to come back on here to justify/defend his friend and their position. It should never be so.

My points made were just my own personal reaction to flaws which (probably, through my cynical look at the industry) I only choose to see.

If CFC offer 500pw, it's because of two things:
1 - they think that's what he's worth
2 - clubs will always look to pay the minimum for a player, even if it is a high sum in the premier league

Maybe both parties were at extreme ends of the salary expectation spectrum? Maybe Uncle Dave refused to dip into his pocket once more - who knows? But if neither party will budge, or even be flexible, then a move away is pretty much inevitable. Rommy gets what he wants, CFC must look elsewhere whilst the window is open.

You say a grand a week is about right, but he was offered a little more than that elsewhere and turned it down. Maybe it's derisory in comparison to that offer, but more realistic to CFC's valuation of him? What if it was 500pw to the end of the season, then negotiate further for next season? Hindsight, and all that..?

[dim view]

moondog, on 21 January 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

When does his contract in India expire ?...

....and was he offered more than we offered by the other league clubs mentioned by edmonds200?. Still not enough though to stop him going though.

[calvin plummers socks]

£500 a week is of course a decent enough wage but what I guess he was wanting was security?
A footballers life is very fickle, very stressful and nomadic, often lonely.

Don't know Boco's circumstances at all (married etc) but I guess most of us at 29 would want to know that they will be getting an income in a few months or years time.

Without going into the gossiping too much about players wages in surprised that Cookie has said ^ that we pay £3k a week for players.
If so we are a very generous payer in the bottom 2 leagues.
Barry Hearn interestingly yesterday was taking about Orient and saying he can't imagine the day Orient pay £2k a week for a player and that they never got near it in his tenure.
Dag Redbridge and Stevenage have salary caps of £1k a week.
(Which will be in excess of £52k a year-an excellent salary in anyone's eyes)!

[Mr Mercury]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 January 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

£500 a week is of course a decent enough wage but what I guess he was wanting was security?
A footballers life is very fickle, very stressful and nomadic, often lonely.

Don't know Boco's circumstances at all (married etc) but I guess most of us at 29 would want to know that they will be getting an income in a few months or years time.

Without going into the gossiping too much about players wages in surprised that Cookie has said ^ that we pay £3k a week for players.
If so we are a very generous payer in the bottom 2 leagues.
Barry Hearn interestingly yesterday was taking about Orient and saying he can't imagine the day Orient pay £2k a week for a player and that they never got near it in his tenure.
Dag Redbridge and Stevenage have salary caps of £1k a week.
(Which will be in excess of £52k a year-an excellent salary in anyone's eyes)!

So why not sign for the non league side that offered him £1,200 per week?

[Stockholm Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 21 January 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

So why not sign for the non league side that offered him £1,200 per week?

I don't get it, either. It's the smart play.

If he rips it up in non-league, he'll be courted by the league clubs...non-league club will receive a transfer fee for a player who arrived on a free, and he's is a great bargaining position to say "We think my performances warrant this as a basic salary" and negotiate from there. Win-win all round...

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 21 January 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

So why not sign for the non league side that offered him £1,200 per week?

True- maybe the kudos of being a league player not 'semi-pro' which is what is often thought of non league players?
A bigger shop window etc?

Would be interested to know which conf side pays anything like £1200 a week of true!

[spireitenag]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 January 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

True- maybe the kudos of being a league player not 'semi-pro' which is what is often thought of non league players?
A bigger shop window etc?

Would be interested to know which conf side pays anything like £1200 a week of true!

He turned down an offer from Bristol Rovers.

[Stockholm Spireite]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 January 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

True- maybe the kudos of being a league player not 'semi-pro' which is what is often thought of non league players?
A bigger shop window etc?

Would be interested to know which conf side pays anything like £1200 a week of true!

I get where you're coming from, but ego and vanity dictating your earning power is a dangerous way to play the game, don't you think?

Which proverb suits best - make hay, gather ye rosebuds, a bird in the hand...?

I heard about 5 years ago Luke Beckett was picking 1k per week as a semi-pro. Bradford PA were paying big at that time, as well.

[calvin plummers socks]

Stockholm Spireite, on 21 January 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

I get where you're coming from, but ego and vanity dictating your earning power is a dangerous way to play the game, don't you think?

Which proverb suits best - make hay, gather ye rosebuds, a bird in the hand...?

I heard about 5 years ago Luke Beckett was picking 1k per week as a semi-pro. Bradford PA were paying big at that time, as well.

Luke Becket! I'd forgotten about him!

[Waller is my hero]

calvin plummers socks, on 21 January 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

£500 a week is of course a decent enough wage but what I guess he was wanting was security?
A footballers life is very fickle, very stressful and nomadic, often lonely.

Don't know Boco's circumstances at all (married etc) but I guess most of us at 29 would want to know that they will be getting an income in a few months or years time.

Without going into the gossiping too much about players wages in surprised that Cookie has said ^ that we pay £3k a week for players.
If so we are a very generous payer in the bottom 2 leagues.
Barry Hearn interestingly yesterday was taking about Orient and saying he can't imagine the day Orient pay £2k a week for a player and that they never got near it in his tenure.
Dag Redbridge and Stevenage have salary caps of £1k a week.
(Which will be in excess of £52k a year-an excellent salary in anyone's eyes)!

Not quite true mate, I've known a few players play around the London area & you'd be surprised what they are on! A few years back when ex-premier league players like Sheringham, Cottee etc moved to clubs in & around the London area as they could provide the 'London' standard of living...I think Cottee was at Barnet & Sheringham at Colchester?
With regards to Leyton Orient, Henderson is on £8.5k/week

[longeatonspireite]

Mr Mercury, on 21 January 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

So why not sign for the non league side that offered him £1,200 per week?

Something is not adding up!
I like Boco, and many people that know him say that he is a really nice bloke. He gives us a bit more solidarity and a "get at em" style, especially his heading for a small bloke. But I agree with Goku, he has added nothing to our scoring. At Scunthorpe he missed several really good chances and there have been several others, he is not the best kicker. He is fit and has never let us down but as many have already said he is fits into the alright category and nothing more.
Brookie's point about Visas is a good point, someone had this move fixed up before this week.
Turning down Cheltenham's £1200 p/w and not signing for us and going to Plymouth adds questions about his decision making.
If Boco is as good as he thinks he is, why has no other club signed him.
Cooky knows Boco's limits and is not willing to pay above the going rate and knows that he can get better.
Is there more to Boco's past than we know so far?
I would have liked Boco to stay but only as a squad player. Boco needs to revise his opinion of himself and be more realistic if is to be happy.

This post has been edited by longeatonspireite: 21 January 2015 - 09:51 AM

[Waller is my hero]

longeatonspireite, on 21 January 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Somthing is not adding up!
I like Boco, and many people that know hime say that he is a really nice bloke. He gives us a bit more solidarity and a "get at em" style, especially his heading for a small bloke. But I agree with Goku, he has added nothing to our scoring. At Scunthorpe he missed several really good chances and there have been several others, he is not the best kicker. He is fit and has never let us down but as many have already said he is fits into the alright category and nothing more.
Brookie's point about Visas is a good point, someone had this move fixed up before this week.
Turning down Cheltenham's £1200 p/w and not signing for us and going to Plymouth.
If Boco is as good as he thinks he is, why have no other club signed him.
Cooky knows Boco's limits and is not willing to pay above the going rate and knows that he can better.
Is there more to Boco's past than we know so far.
I would have liked Boco to stay but only as a squad player. Boco needs to revise his opinion of himself and be more realistic if is to be happy.

Good post! The long & short of it is.....Boco should not have got his head in the clouds (or his agent) when we approached to sign him in the 2013/2014 season (by all reports he wanted £2K+/week, when i believe he was on £650/week at Accrington). If he had signed, it could all be a different story!

[Middle East]

Stockholm Spireite, on 21 January 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

I don't mind you disagreeing at all.

I think CFC have handled this badly, with Turner's comments that are completely unnecessary. But also Rommy (and maybe his "people"?) haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, either. I believe that CFC and Turner could have just released a bland statement saying Rommy has signed elsewhere, we thank him for his services and wish him well at his new club. CT's comments have led to a lot of digging, conjecture and wild speculation, with Rommy's mate feeling as though he has to come back on here to justify/defend his friend and their position. It should never be so.

My points made were just my own personal reaction to flaws which (probably, through my cynical look at the industry) I only choose to see.

If CFC offer 500pw, it's because of two things:
1 - they think that's what he's worth
2 - clubs will always look to pay the minimum for a player, even if it is a high sum in the premier league

Maybe both parties were at extreme ends of the salary expectation spectrum? Maybe Uncle Dave refused to dip into his pocket once more - who knows? But if neither party will budge, or even be flexible, then a move away is pretty much inevitable. Rommy gets what he wants, CFC must look elsewhere whilst the window is open.

You say a grand a week is about right, but he was offered a little more than that elsewhere and turned it down. Maybe it's derisory in comparison to that offer, but more realistic to CFC's valuation of him? What if it was 500pw to the end of the season, then negotiate further for next season? Hindsight, and all that..?

I find it puzzling that he would have turned down £1200 a week anywhere to be honest, particularly as he was out of contract. If that were me I would have ripped their hand off, unless he was promised a decent contract with us which has subsequently not materialised. A bird in the hand and financial security has to be a driver for anyone in a career that only lasts for 15 years or so I would have thought.

Still he's gone and that's that but I am sceptical that we will find anyone of a similar quality for £500 a week!

I also agree that Turners comments were undignified and stupid in the extreme, but then again he's not exactly covering himself in glory at the minute......I hope we're not paying him more than £500 a week!!!!

[Cartman]

On the Indian League, the competition Boco will be in is NOT the same as the one that had Del Piero, Trezeguet, Silvestre etc

That was a short tournament along the same lines as IPL cricket, Boco would never be a marquee signing in that!

Boco will be in their normal league