[edmonds200]

h again, on 20 January 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

Yes. He didn't sign - that's a fact, as I stated.

Yes. I was at pains to say that as well. Twice, as a matter of fact.

I haven't insulted Boco. I've given the opinion that Boco went without warning and left Cookie with a problem. Is that wrong?

That scraping noise seems to be coming from the bottom of your barrel.

He didn't go without warning. CFC had plenty of notice of Rommys intention to sign for Bharat but didn't take it seriously

[ash_cfc]

How much are they paying in India these days? Reckon I'd manage a steady 70 minutes at centre half!

[meowdmucker]

Spireite82, on 20 January 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

If true, Boco was worth more that £500 basic per week. Good luck to him in India; football is a very short career.

Echo that. Personally I liked him. Good change of pace, very good in the air and a hard working footballer.
For £500 we'll do well to find a similar player this or,for that matter, any January transfer window.
All the best in India to you.

[Goku]

ash_cfc, on 20 January 2015 - 09:43 PM, said:

How much are they paying in India these days? Reckon I'd manage a steady 70 minutes at centre half!

They've got a lot of ex-stars playing in the ISL - Trezeguet, Pires, Capdevila, David James, Ljungberg, Del Piero, Elano and Luis Garcia - think that's most of them. So you'd imagine they can pay a few quid.

edit; oh there's more. Nesta, Djemba-Djemba (lol), Materazzi, Andre Santos, Silvestre, Josemi, Chopra, Hume, Skoubo, Junker, Marek Cech, Pennant, Friedrich and Anelka. I like obscure footballers playing in obscure foreign leagues.

This post has been edited by Goku: 20 January 2015 - 09:58 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

I think sensible debate on Boco has finished

[Westbars Spireite]

azul, on 20 January 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:

When has Turner ever let us down?

I can't think of anything.

Nothing this afternoon anyway.

[60s 70s Spireite]

a kick in the balls, on 20 January 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

I think sensible debate on Boco has finished

Amen

[marlons curtains]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Either Chris Turner doesn't know whats been going on or he is deliberately trying to paint Rommy in a black picture.

FACTS
Rommy had been offered a derisory offer back in November. Rommy was seeing what other players in the squad were on and just couldn't sign what was on offer. He felt he was equal to certain squad players that were nowhere near the first team. Thats all. He wasn't being greedy and never expected to match the earnings of even the top 10 earners in the squad.

He never has posted on any social media site.

He had at least 1 very good offer back in August but wanted to stay at CFC because of the way they play football and because of the Paul Cook factor. He was actually in my car when he was persuaded not to sign for Bristol Rovers because Drew Talbot was going to be out for months and he was promised a contract by the end of that window. It never materialised.

He does have an ongoing building development plan in Plymouth but is not under financial pressure due to assurances by me. He just wanted a fair deal. He is far too proud for me or anyone to sub him which is why he took the job at Jacksons. At that time he wasn't starting games and taking home just over £1000 per month! He then had too endure being called Pie man by the chief exec!!

Even last Thursday when he was with me in Plymouth for his planning decision he was desperate to sign for CFC. They were going to call him by 12 o clock but never did. All the time the agent from India was pressuring him strongly. It wasn't until Friday morning when he met CFC before they travelled to Swindon that an acceptable offer was made but it was too late. CFC had had since August and it wasn't until Bradford, Scunthorpe, Yeovil and India offered a good contract did CFC take him seriously.
He was a very popular member of the squad and well respected. Garry Roberts even offered to pay him not to go to jacksons so that he was fresh for matches as he viewed him as an important cog in the team and wanted to ensure he picked up win bonuses!

Rommy has already told me not to post on this site before and will be furious that I have but I can't stand by and watch a very good friends character be assassinated by people who do not know him or the facts. If he was offered what he is worth he would be back in a shot after his Indian adventure if paul Cook is still at Chesterfield. He genuinely would still be a Spierite if he had been treated with the respect he deserves. Good Luck on Saturday and for the rest of the season.

So, in a nutshell... we finally opened the stable door, but the horse had already baalti'd???

[h again]

Spireite82, on 20 January 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

It's only banter if all parties think it's banter. Yes there should be good relationships within the club but if the CEO has made fun of Pie Man, knowing Boco wanted more money and worked for Jacksons on his days off, then that's not banter, it's taking the p!ss.

IMO, our CEO should reduce the banter and work on improving the clubs operational success. Think how much money we'd have lost if we'd been disqualified from the FA cup....

It's a football club, not a hierarchical organisation where the CEO has to ensure that specific orders are followed right down the chain, or impose sanctions on people. The blokes on the shop floor, the players, will perform to the best of their ability because it's what they do, and if they don't perform they're dropped - not given three written warnings.
In those circumstances the CEO can be much closer to the workers, the players, than in a normal workforce. He might even be allowed to crack the odd joke, or even be the butt of one. It's about morale, not discipline.

[spireitenag]

Mac, on 20 January 2015 - 08:33 PM, said:

I think we've probably now got as accurate an explanation as we're ever likely to get into what has gone on behind the scenes. What was previously a baffling scenario is now much clearer.

Seems we tried to get Boco on the cheap. I can live with that; less so suggestions of broken promises, calls not being made as agreed and subsequent finger-pointing once the player had gone. We really should be better than that.



I think we've probably now got as accurate an explanation as we're ever likely to get into what has gone on behind the scenes. What was previously a baffling scenario is now much clearer.

Seems we tried to get Boco on the cheap. I can live with that; less so suggestions of broken promises, calls not being made as agreed and subsequent finger-pointing once the player had gone. We really should be better than that.

"Broken Promises"?

Jack Lester springs to mind.

[Middle East]

h again, on 20 January 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

It's a football club, not a hierarchical organisation where the CEO has to ensure that specific orders are followed right down the chain, or impose sanctions on people. The blokes on the shop floor, the players, will perform to the best of their ability because it's what they do, and if they don't perform they're dropped - not given three written warnings.
In those circumstances the CEO can be much closer to the workers, the players, than in a normal workforce. He might even be allowed to crack the odd joke, or even be the butt of one. It's about morale, not discipline.

Having read Edmonds post and yours I will stick with his! I vos only obaying orders...

[h again]

meowdmucker, on 20 January 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Echo that. Personally I liked him. Good change of pace, very good in the air and a hard working footballer.
For £500 we'll do well to find a similar player this or,for that matter, any January transfer window.
All the best in India to you.

But £500 isn't dependant on the players skill levels - it's dependant on how much anybody else would be prepared to offer. In this case nobody was offering anything, so it was the CFC offer or 'nowt. Most players would have negotiated a contract, been thankful, and worked hard to get an improvement.
For every Boco grumbling about not being offered enough there are a hundred lads with the same or greater potential who are out on the scrap heap every season.
I rated the bloke, would have kept him on a decent contract myself, but he was offered the going rate for somebody who would have been out of football otherwise. You can't blame CFC for driving hard bargains - we've seen what happens when you don't.

[edmonds200]

h again, on 20 January 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

But £500 isn't dependant on the players skill levels - it's dependant on how much anybody else would be prepared to offer. In this case nobody was offering anything, so it was the CFC offer or 'nowt. Most players would have negotiated a contract, been thankful, and worked hard to get an improvement.
For every Boco grumbling about not being offered enough there are a hundred lads with the same or greater potential who are out on the scrap heap every season.
I rated the bloke, would have kept him on a decent contract myself, but he was offered the going rate for somebody who would have been out of football otherwise. You can't blame CFC for driving hard bargains - we've seen what happens when you don't.

He NEVER grumbled but was offered £1200 pw by a conference side back in August so you can't expect him to sign a £500pw contract at 29 years old surely.

[Mr Mercury]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 10:25 PM, said:

He NEVER grumbled but was offered £1200 pw by a conference side back in August so you can't expect him to sign a £500pw contract at 29 years old surely.

So why not sign for the conference club?

[plannerj]

spireitenag, on 20 January 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

"Broken Promises"?

Jack Lester springs to mind.

What also springs to mind is the strong rumour that Jack was offered a contract on £250 per week and he told CT where to put it!

[h again]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 10:25 PM, said:

He NEVER grumbled but was offered £1200 pw by a conference side back in August so you can't expect him to sign a £500pw contract at 29 years old surely.

He had a decision. Sign for the Conference side and take the money and probably obscurity, or put himself in the shop window with CFC for less. In his position I'd probably have taken the CFC offer, because win bonuses etc. are a big factor, as we seem to have found to our cost, and if he got his head down and played well - as he seemed to be doing - he'd be in a strong position to up the terms.
Anyway, if he's getting well paid in India I wish him well. He was always a good little player, strong on the ball a great header and, most important, fun to watch. I'd take him back even after all this, though with reservations.

[Waller is my hero]

As much as I appreciate ed's posts providing a picture that was has gone off with Boco...i feel slightly uncomfortable with these posts as this is a form of propaganda towards CFC & painting them in a really bad light!
Yes, nothing runs perfect with every player in any football team, but this could create bad feeling with fans towards CFC & upset a lot of positivity that we have experienced over Paul Cooks tenure.
Yes, Boco played very well for us...but he was a squad player (an important one yes)...however no one is indispensible...look at a lot players that have left...& only good things have followed (except under Sheridan with Davies).
Lets move on & look forward to a very important game this Saturday

This post has been edited by Waller is my hero: 20 January 2015 - 11:12 PM

[azul]

moondog, on 20 January 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

It's a response to Turner's unneeded comments, if he'd kept his gob shut I doubt that Jason would have been forthcoming with as much information

Exactly

Turner in attempt to defect blame, SHOCK HORROR

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

h again, on 20 January 2015 - 10:56 PM, said:

He had a decision. Sign for the Conference side and take the money and probably obscurity, or put himself in the shop window with CFC for less. In his position I'd probably have taken the CFC offer, because win bonuses etc. are a big factor, as we seem to have found to our cost, and if he got his head down and played well - as he seemed to be doing - he'd be in a strong position to up the terms.
Anyway, if he's getting well paid in India I wish him well. He was always a good little player, strong on the ball a great header and, most important, fun to watch. I'd take him back even after all this, though with reservations.

So you give full details about his contract discussions at town all over the internet but won't say how much he is getting in India? Tbh this has disaster written all over it and his chances of getting a club in this country diminish when your putting all His personal contract negotiations on the net. He will soon hav a 'beware' sign attached to his name with how he conducts his business.