[60s 70s Spireite]

The debate appears to be around a number of unknowns. Boco was offered a contract at an unknown figure, that compared less favourably with unknown players for an unknown length of time.
Not so sure how we can form a strong opinion one way or another.

Only thing we know is he turned it down. Number 18 is gone. Long live number 18.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 20 January 2015 - 08:22 PM

[moondog]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 20 January 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Oh well he's gone now so you can jog on, he's nothing to do with town anymore. Thanks and good luck to him but that's about it. I'm more interested in who will be the replacement

I think it's good to know what really went on and appreciate Jason (edmonds200) giving us the facts as he understands them

[edmonds200]

He has come to Plymouth a lot this season including 3 days before Orient game where he scored. Didn't do him any harm did it. Thursday was the players day off and he had a massive planning decision meeting to attend with me. CFC knew about India last Tuesday (the day of Scunthorpe game) and so had 3 days to resolve it. They left it too late

[Mac's Back]

dim view, on 20 January 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

well, let's see if PC endorses that view when he is interviewed. In the past, he's described Boco as a mate. I'm sure the subject won't be embargoed, will it?.

I think we've probably now got as accurate an explanation as we're ever likely to get into what has gone on behind the scenes. What was previously a baffling scenario is now much clearer.

Seems we tried to get Boco on the cheap. I can live with that; less so suggestions of broken promises, calls not being made as agreed and subsequent finger-pointing once the player had gone. We really should be better than that.

dim view, on 20 January 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

well, let's see if PC endorses that view when he is interviewed. In the past, he's described Boco as a mate. I'm sure the subject won't be embargoed, will it?.

I think we've probably now got as accurate an explanation as we're ever likely to get into what has gone on behind the scenes. What was previously a baffling scenario is now much clearer.

Seems we tried to get Boco on the cheap. I can live with that; less so suggestions of broken promises, calls not being made as agreed and subsequent finger-pointing once the player had gone. We really should be better than that.

[h again]

MDCCCLXVI, on 20 January 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well someone knew enough to report that Rommy was off to India last Saturday.

And how do you know he 'didn't want to sign a contract'? A definitive assertion based on what? He'd rather be working part-time at Jacksons?

Then "...a loose cannon when it comes to reliability, as has been demonstrated over the years"? When? Isn't this the same player who's been in and out the side without complaint and given his all when called upon?

If you choose to accept 'Teflon' Turner's comments as gospel, dismissing the idea that he might, just perhaps, be putting another pro-Club spin on events, then that's your prerogative.

However I reckon many will view this attempt to portray Rommy Boco as some manipulative and dishonest mercenary "pathetic".

'Over the years' were my words, not 'this season'. Are you suggesting that Boco's past history of employment has been a steady progression? As he has a perfect right to do, he's shuttled around countries and clubs and never settled anywhere, unless Cookie was running the show, and even then he turned his back on him and went to Plymouth, regretting it the day after by all accounts.
Any footballer has the right to maximise his earnings in any legal way he sees fit. It doesn't make him either dishonest or a mercenary - I think you might be playing the drama queen a bit there.
It simply seems he's departed without warning and left his 'mate' Cookie, to pick up the pieces. Nothing either manipulative or dishonest there - though it's behaviour that might not get him the same consideration as, say, Richie Humphrey when it comes to his next attempts to find a club.
The day I accept any statement from the club, Mr Turner included, as gospel will be the first. The day I accept anybody's guilt on the basis of no evidence - including whispers in the car park - will also be a first.

[Spireite82]

There's always two sides to every story but if he was after wages similar to the 10th squad member, I think that's not being greedy. I feel uncomfortable with CTs comments on the official website; it's unprofessional. Likewise, if true, CT shouldn't be bantering with the players in his position; it leaves him open to accusation. Maybe the players could get away with laughing about working for Jacksons but I bet some of them felt Boco was too good to be effectively part time.

Forgive my ignorance but what credentials does CT have for the position Chief Executive Officer?

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Turner?
Are you 'if Carlsberg made Chairman' reincarnated?

And dos Boco run over your dog or something?

[edmonds200]

Listen Im trying not to criticise anyone at CFC I just think for Chris Turner to come out and say Rommy let down Paul Cook is totally inaccurate based on the facts. If he'd been given a worthwhile contract to sign at anytime in the last 6 months he would have signed. Do you all think he enjoyed his 2-10 shift after training when the other lads were safely ensconced at home on their PS4s?
I dont blame CFC for trying to get him on the cheap but a league 1 player earning £1k per month having to work at a factory to make ends meet?

[Westbars Spireite]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Either Chris Turner doesn't know whats been going on or he is deliberately trying to paint Rommy in a black picture.

FACTS
Rommy had been offered a derisory offer back in November. Rommy was seeing what other players in the squad were on and just couldn't sign what was on offer. He felt he was equal to certain squad players that were nowhere near the first team. Thats all. He wasn't being greedy and never expected to match the earnings of even the top 10 earners in the squad.

He never has posted on any social media site.

He had at least 1 very good offer back in August but wanted to stay at CFC because of the way they play football and because of the Paul Cook factor. He was actually in my car when he was persuaded not to sign for Bristol Rovers because Drew Talbot was going to be out for months and he was promised a contract by the end of that window. It never materialised.

He does have an ongoing building development plan in Plymouth but is not under financial pressure due to assurances by me. He just wanted a fair deal. He is far too proud for me or anyone to sub him which is why he took the job at Jacksons. At that time he wasn't starting games and taking home just over £1000 per month! He then had too endure being called Pie man by the chief exec!!

Even last Thursday when he was with me in Plymouth for his planning decision he was desperate to sign for CFC. They were going to call him by 12 o clock but never did. All the time the agent from India was pressuring him strongly. It wasn't until Friday morning when he met CFC before they travelled to Swindon that an acceptable offer was made but it was too late. CFC had had since August and it wasn't until Bradford, Scunthorpe, Yeovil and India offered a good contract did CFC take him seriously.
He was a very popular member of the squad and well respected. Garry Roberts even offered to pay him not to go to jacksons so that he was fresh for matches as he viewed him as an important cog in the team and wanted to ensure he picked up win bonuses!

Rommy has already told me not to post on this site before and will be furious that I have but I can't stand by and watch a very good friends character be assassinated by people who do not know him or the facts. If he was offered what he is worth he would be back in a shot after his Indian adventure if paul Cook is still at Chesterfield. He genuinely would still be a Spierite if he had been treated with the respect he deserves. Good Luck on Saturday and for the rest of the season.

Thanks for the post.

[h again]

calvin plummers socks, on 20 January 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

Changing room banter is one thing- Chris 'eaten all the pies' Turner is no longer in the changing room-he's up in the boardroom.

If the CEO of a football club can't exchange a bit of banter with the players on the odd occasion it's going to be a fairly strange place. Does he ignore them after he's signed the forms? Tell them not to speak until they're spoken to?
Last time your rule applied must have been about when Queen Victoria was not amused when we lost to Arsenal.

[Mr Mercury]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

Listen Im trying not to criticise anyone at CFC I just think for Chris Turner to come out and say Rommy let down Paul Cook is totally inaccurate based on the facts. If he'd been given a worthwhile contract to sign at anytime in the last 6 months he would have signed. Do you all think he enjoyed his 2-10 shift after training when the other lads were safely ensconced at home on their PS4s?
I dont blame CFC for trying to get him on the cheap but a league 1 player earning £1k per month having to work at a factory to make ends meet?

Why didn't he sign in the summer of 2013, when by all accounts we offered him a better deal than the one he eventually signed at Plymouth?

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edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

Listen Im trying not to criticise anyone at CFC I just think for Chris Turner to come out and say Rommy let down Paul Cook is totally inaccurate based on the facts. If he'd been given a worthwhile contract to sign at anytime in the last 6 months he would have signed. Do you all think he enjoyed his 2-10 shift after training when the other lads were safely ensconced at home on their PS4s?
I dont blame CFC for trying to get him on the cheap but a league 1 player earning £1k per month having to work at a factory to make ends meet?

Tell him to leave May free, for the end of season bash in Benidorm!

[60s 70s Spireite]

edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

Listen Im trying not to criticise anyone at CFC I just think for Chris Turner to come out and say Rommy let down Paul Cook is totally inaccurate based on the facts. If he'd been given a worthwhile contract to sign at anytime in the last 6 months he would have signed. Do you all think he enjoyed his 2-10 shift after training when the other lads were safely ensconced at home on their PS4s?
I dont blame CFC for trying to get him on the cheap but a league 1 player earning £1k per month having to work at a factory to make ends meet?

Are you saying he would have received £1k for say August when he played five games? Or October when he played none? To be fair I think he would have been as good as Roberts in June and July.

[Westbars Spireite]

freelander2, on 20 January 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Tell him to leave May free, for the end of season bash in Benidorm!

Stevie G will pay.

[moondog]

h again, on 20 January 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

He didn't criticise him for not accepting a contract - he criticised him for letting Cookie down.

"I feel that Romy has let Paul Cook down as he gave him an opportunity to play first-team football when nobody wanted him. Contract offers were made to him, but he decided to turn them down"

<div><br></div><div><div>"No player is bigger than the club, however, so we move on and wish Romy all the best for the future."</div></div>

[edmonds200]

Banters fine if it works both ways. If Rommy had called CT Pieman he probably would have been told his P45 was in post;-) (if he had a contract that is!!!!) As for 2013 I think Rommy was maybe badly advised by his brother who maybe had an overinflated opinion of his ability. Probably also Shez was very keen to put one over on CFC!

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edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

Listen Im trying not to criticise anyone at CFC I just think for Chris Turner to come out and say Rommy let down Paul Cook is totally inaccurate based on the facts. If he'd been given a worthwhile contract to sign at anytime in the last 6 months he would have signed. Do you all think he enjoyed his 2-10 shift after training when the other lads were safely ensconced at home on their PS4s?
I dont blame CFC for trying to get him on the cheap but a league 1 player earning £1k per month having to work at a factory to make ends meet?

I'll be the one to be rude and ask the question, what was the original offer to Boco?

[Bonnyman]

Spireite82, on 20 January 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

There's always two sides to every story but if he was after wages similar to the 10th squad member, I think that's not being greedy. I feel uncomfortable with CTs comments on the official website; it's unprofessional. Likewise, if true, CT shouldn't be bantering with the players in his position; it leaves him open to accusation. Maybe the players could get away with laughing about working for Jacksons but I bet some of them felt Boco was too good to be effectively part time.



Forgive my ignorance but what credentials does CT have for the position Chief Executive Officer?

He was john sittons no2 ...i think that sealed the deal.

[edmonds200]

What in 2013 or this season?

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edmonds200, on 20 January 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

What in 2013 or this season?

This season, the one that he wasn't prepared to sign.