[Westbars Spireite]

azul, on 27 December 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

It would be a shame if we couldn't keep our better players for more than 18 months though.

Would speak volumes for our ambition

The club have no option but to look at the bigger picture. If, for whatever reason, a player wants to leave is it ever likely to be helpful to keep them? I don't know the answer but I can see plenty of managers taking the stance they'd want rid.

[Tha Knows...]

bonnyman, on 27 December 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

It isnt even a stat its more a coincidence.

Its generally nonsense to draw conclusions between results and the presence of one of the 11 or so players featuring in a game. Doyle might be an exception as he has scored an extraordinary number of goals so far and won us a lot of points. If he hadnt played his replacement would probably have scored a few but not as many

[LuSiVe]

Honestly I don't think we're better without him, and I don't want us to sell him. It's just something I noticed yesterday while people were trying to work out whether we were better with Boco, Johnson, Roberts etc in the team.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be miserable in January as Morsy, Ryan and Doyle all leave ....

[Goku]

calvin plummers socks, on 27 December 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

I would think a £2m asking price for Doyle but as he has bought a house in the area and Cookie is the reason he joined us and the fact they clearly work well with each other -means he won't go anywhere (just my opinion)

I'm not worried about losing him in Jan.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

We've signed plenty of players after they've allowed their contract elsewhere to wind-down.

That's football.

As for Doyle and Morsy they'll be worth at least as much in the Summer as they are now - and we're currently only two points off the play offs.

How much would even failure in the play offs make us?

And we're more than hitting the seven thousand DA asked for.

Surely the conversation in the Boardroom is simple:

Dave Allen: 'Can you replace one or both with similar for a percentage of what we've been offered, Paul?'

Paul Cook: 'Yes, Chairman'.

DA: 'Okay, we sell'

Or...

PC: 'No, Chairman'.

DA: 'Okay, we keep 'em 'til the Summer'.

[Tha Knows...]

LuSiVe, on 27 December 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Honestly I don't think we're better without him, and I don't want us to sell him. It's just something I noticed yesterday while people were trying to work out whether we were better with Boco, Johnson, Roberts etc in the team.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be miserable in January as Morsy, Ryan and Doyle all leave ....

You'd feel more miserable if it led to us getting relegated. 6 wins and a few draws from 24 games should be a doddle but, if the heart of the side is ripped out, a slump is not beyond the realms of possibility. Such things happen. And while Hird and Humphreys did a good job yesterday as stand-ins, they don't come close to Ryan and Morsy. Of course if Cook can bring in good replacements we shouldnt go to pieces, though it would be a miracle to find a striker with Doyle's golden boots

This post has been edited by Spire-Power: 27 December 2014 - 01:44 PM

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LuSiVe, on 27 December 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

And yet we're more likely to win games when he's not playing.

Load of tosh, were a much better team when our best player aye

[azul]

The idea that Cook will pluck out a few more gems to replace any departures (if he is even given the opportunity) is flawed

No guarantee whatsoever, just look at Peterborough yesterday (and look at the money they've reinvested.

[Westbars Spireite]

azul, on 27 December 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

The idea that Cook will pluck out a few more gems to replace any departures (if he is even given the opportunity) is flawed

No guarantee whatsoever, just look at Peterborough yesterday (and look at the money they've reinvested.

Cook's a better judge of a player than Ferguson.

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calvin plummers socks, on 27 December 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

I would think a £2m asking price for Doyle but as he has bought a house in the area and Cookie is the reason he joined us and the fact they clearly work well with each other -means he won't go anywhere (just my opinion)

I can't imagine owning property in the area & having a good relationship with PC will count for much if a club comes in for him & are prepared to double / triple / quadruple his current deal.

The one year contract extension, will that add a premium to any fee? Most on here thought it would.

Edit - I'd just like to say, he deserves a big money move, his conduct has been exemplary.

This post has been edited by freelander2: 27 December 2014 - 01:51 PM

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freelander2, on 27 December 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I can't imagine owning property in the area & having a good relationship with PC will count for much if a club comes in for him & are prepared to double / triple / quadruple his current deal.

The one year contract extension, will that add a premium to any fee? Most on here thought it would.

Edit - I'd just like to say, he deserves a big money move, his conduct has been exemplary.

Quite. I have a house which I would cheerfully rent out if someone offered me a 400% payrise and I had to move to get it.

[dtp]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 December 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Where to?

Add that to the 'done deal' that Bristol City have apparently done for Doyle too - £950k apparently. It was on Facebook apparently so it must be gospel!

But, then again, there was a bloke in the gents in the East Stand saying that there's a "done deal" for Doyle with Cardiff for £2 million.

So, I suppose, it depends which done deal we accept - Chris's deep throats, or other source, Facebook, or the Gents.

Personally, I feel if a really good offer comes in for Doyle it would be unfair to deny the lad the opportunity to be made for life, if Ryan is not prepared to sign a new deal he should be sold for the highest acceptable bid for the club and Jimmy, if we receive a bid in excess of £1.5 million for Morsy then it will be difficult to deny him the chance to improve himself, and if we get a cheeky half-million offer for either Raglan or Darikwa we should tell them to **** off and double it.

Whatever, happens I would expect replacements to be signed for each player sold and I would like to think, if nothing happens/additionally we will sign a left-sided centre back and another striker before January is out - this would add a little more balance and depth to our squad.

[Westbars Spireite]

dtp, on 27 December 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

But, then again, there was a bloke in the gents in the East Stand saying that there's a "done deal" for Doyle with Cardiff for £2 million.

So, I suppose, it depends which done deal we accept - Chris's deep throats, or other source, Facebook, or the Gents.

Personally, I feel if a really good offer comes in for Doyle it would be unfair to deny the lad the opportunity to be made for life, if Ryan is not prepared to sign a new deal he should be sold for the highest acceptable bid for the club and Jimmy, if we receive a bid in excess of £1.5 million for Morsy then it will be difficult to deny him the chance to improve himself, and if we get a cheeky half-million offer for either Raglan or Darikwa we should tell them to **** off and double it.

Whatever, happens I would expect replacements to be signed for each player sold and I would like to think, if nothing happens/additionally we will sign a left-sided centre back and another striker before January is out - this would add a little more balance and depth to our squad.

I think the club fully expect to sell at least one of them.

In Chris Turner's interview he said he expected us to end January with a stronger squad than we start it. The only way I can seeing that being possible, even in theory, if for us to re-invest cash into two or three players and have greater depth.

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Westbars Spireite, on 27 December 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

I think the club fully expect to sell at least one of them.

In Chris Turner's interview he said he expected us to end January with a stronger squad than we start it. The only way I can seeing that being possible, even in theory, if for us to re-invest cash into two or three players and have greater depth.

CT is always right, as we know

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dtp, on 27 December 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

But, then again, there was a bloke in the gents in the East Stand saying that there's a "done deal" for Doyle with Cardiff for £2 million.

So, I suppose, it depends which done deal we accept - Chris's deep throats, or other source, Facebook, or the Gents.

Personally, I feel if a really good offer comes in for Doyle it would be unfair to deny the lad the opportunity to be made for life, if Ryan is not prepared to sign a new deal he should be sold for the highest acceptable bid for the club and Jimmy, if we receive a bid in excess of £1.5 million for Morsy then it will be difficult to deny him the chance to improve himself, and if we get a cheeky half-million offer for either Raglan or Darikwa we should tell them to **** off and double it.

Whatever, happens I would expect replacements to be signed for each player sold and I would like to think, if nothing happens/additionally we will sign a left-sided centre back and another striker before January is out - this would add a little more balance and depth to our squad.

If Cardiff enter the bidding at any point, we want cleared funds!

Abysmal payers.

[Tha Knows...]

dtp, on 27 December 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

But, then again, there was a bloke in the gents in the East Stand saying that there's a "done deal" for Doyle with Cardiff for £2 million.

So, I suppose, it depends which done deal we accept - Chris's deep throats, or other source, Facebook, or the Gents.

Personally, I feel if a really good offer comes in for Doyle it would be unfair to deny the lad the opportunity to be made for life, if Ryan is not prepared to sign a new deal he should be sold for the highest acceptable bid for the club and Jimmy, if we receive a bid in excess of £1.5 million for Morsy then it will be difficult to deny him the chance to improve himself, and if we get a cheeky half-million offer for either Raglan or Darikwa we should tell them to **** off and double it.

Whatever, happens I would expect replacements to be signed for each player sold and I would like to think, if nothing happens/additionally we will sign a left-sided centre back and another striker before January is out - this would add a little more balance and depth to our squad.

If we got the right offer I guess we would be encouraging him to move on.
How about £2m for Doyle, £1.5m for Morsy and £250k for Ryan, or £3.5m for the three in a job lot?!

[SpireRam]

If Morsy leaves us in January I think I'll shed a tear

[Wooden Spoon]

Goku, on 27 December 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

This is why stats perennially annoy me. They're not always "right" (let's not talk about league tables though, eh). Okay, so we may have a better win ratio without Morsy in the team (I haven't checked, nor can I be bothered to). Individually, who do you think we have who is better than him? You might say Jimmy Ryan, which is okay, but in the formation we tend to play we need two good CMs so obviously Ryan and Morsy are the choices. So, who would you replace Morsy with from our current team? Sam Hird? Ritchie Humhpreys? Ollie Banks? Are you blaming Morsy for us not winning games? If so then why specifically is it his fault, does he lack positional discipline, is he giving the ball away? It's alright quoting statistics but you've got to add some logic and reasoning into the mix or they become meaningless.

It also takes no account of who the opponents were, and home/away games. Probably the 2 biggest factors.

azul, on 27 December 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

It would be a shame if we couldn't keep our better players for more than 18 months though.

Would speak volumes for our ambition

debts

[Spireite-Karl]

WhereisBenj, on 27 December 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

If Morsy leaves us in January I think I'll shed a tear

I'll shed more than the one

Seriously, if he is to go, then I hope we've got a fantastic deal for him, otherwise I really will cry like a baby!

[Wooden Spoon]

Spire-Power, on 27 December 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

How about £2m for Doyle, £1.5m for Morsy and £250k for Ryan, or £3.5m for the three in a job lot?!

I`d rip both your arms off to get offers like that. I suspect it would be somewhere closer to half that amount though.