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#1 User is offline   whittman 

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:13 PM

was when the referee gave them a free-kick on the edge of our box from what looked a good challenge by Tendi and they scored with a six yard header

Until that point I thought we were quite comfortable

Perhaps the highlights will show why it was given because from my position in the west stand I couldnt see it

This post has been edited by whittman: 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:14 PM

I think the referee was the only one who saw a foul, not even the away fans were shouting for a foul
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM

Compared to what we've had before I thought the ref was decent.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:19 PM

View PostDMU Blue, on 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Compared to what we've had before I thought the ref was decent.

I agree but it was still a decision that baffled most people especially when the away fans didnt even see it
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:22 PM

View PostDMU Blue, on 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Compared to what we've had before I thought the ref was decent.

Not giving Armand a penalty was a not a good decision. Stone wall for me. Hands and arms all over!
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM

View PostDMU Blue, on 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Compared to what we've had before I thought the ref was decent.


So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?
The new fashion - replacing diving - seems to be to collapse holding your face to suggest an elbow. So far it's cost us a sending-off and a booking, and it's high time the refs got on top of it.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:27 PM

View Posth again, on 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?
The new fashion - replacing diving - seems to be to collapse holding your face to suggest an elbow. So far it's cost us a sending-off and a booking, and it's high time the refs got on top of it.

Quite simply because the ball was out for our throw in, Clucas was booked for wrestling their player to the ground whilst awaiting for the throw in to take place. Therefore if the ball wasn't in play whatever happened between the two players still results in action against them but doesnt alter the dead ball situation..keep up.. ;).
Btw I agree their ****** was play acting!

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:27 PM

View Posth again, on 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?
The new fashion - replacing diving - seems to be to collapse holding your face to suggest an elbow. So far it's cost us a sending-off and a booking, and it's high time the refs got on top of it.


The ball was already out for a throw in, prior to pulling Clucas up - so right for play to resume with a throw.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:27 PM

View Postwhittman, on 26 December 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

was when the referee gave them a free-kick on the edge of our box from what looked a good challenge by Tendi and they scored with a six yard header

Until that point I thought we were quite comfortable

Perhaps the highlights will show why it was given because from my position in the west stand I couldnt see it



I thought he caught the bck of the forwards boot.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:30 PM

View Posth again, on 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?


clucas was being held and he swung an arm to free himself, catching their man. They both committed fouls but Clucas's was more serious - all this whilst Tendayi was trying to take a throw in. The ref issued his warnings then asked Tendayi to carry on. Perfectly logical to me.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:34 PM

View Posth again, on 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?


Well he got that right then. Can't award a free kick if the ball hasn't re-entered play. He can book someone for an offence but not award a free kick unless the game going on
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 08:41 PM

View PostDMU Blue, on 26 December 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Well he got that right then. Can't award a free kick if the ball hasn't re-entered play. He can book someone for an offence but not award a free kick unless the game going on

He did signal a free kick at one point which is why all the players moved up the pitch....maybe the 4th official or lino pointed out it should still be a throw in??
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 10:43 PM

View Postspireitetoo, on 26 December 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

He did signal a free kick at one point which is why all the players moved up the pitch....maybe the 4th official or lino pointed out it should still be a throw in??


But the 'offence'as I saw it happened while the ball was still in play and before it went out for the throw-in. Their player then went down clutching his face, the ball went out, and minor handbags started, but the 'foul' happened with the ball in play.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 10:52 PM

View PostDMU Blue, on 26 December 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Compared to what we've had before I thought the ref was decent.


First minute or so Gnanduillet clearly pushed down, Ref waves play on, then does some sort of prancing, high leg backlift lope away.

Five minutes later 'Boro player takes a throw-in a full ten yards beyond where Paul Cook clearly caught the outgoing ball and handed it to him.

Shortly afterwards similar thing happens, Ref instructs player to go back, player faffs about before taking throw-in exactly where he'd been told not to, Ref carries on regardless.

And that's before ignoring Gnanduilllet being rugby tackled in the box, Doyle being taken out, and the absurd 'foul' that led to Posh's first.

There were more, plenty more...
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 10:56 PM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 26 December 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

First minute or so Gnanduillet clearly pushed down, Ref waves play on, then does some sort of prancing, high leg backlift lope away.

Five minutes later 'Boro player takes a throw-in a full ten yards beyond where Paul Cook clearly caught the outgoing ball and handed it to him.

Shortly afterwards similar thing happens, Ref instructs player to go back, player faffs about before taking throw-in exactly where he'd been told not to, Ref carries on regardless.

And that's before ignoring Gnanduilllet being rugby tackled in the box, Doyle being taken out, and the absurd 'foul' that led to Posh's first.

There were more, plenty more...

Well putting it like that Chris it probably shows how utterly abysmal some of the others must have been because on leaving the ground today I actually thought he'd had a half decent game. Like I said maybe the quality of officials at this level is now so bad that if one doesn't give 6 silly penalties, five red cards and abandons the game after 2 mins because of a bit of light drizzle we actually think he's done ok!

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 09:31 AM

View PostMDCCCLXVI, on 26 December 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

First minute or so Gnanduillet clearly pushed down, Ref waves play on, then does some sort of prancing, high leg backlift lope away.

Five minutes later 'Boro player takes a throw-in a full ten yards beyond where Paul Cook clearly caught the outgoing ball and handed it to him.

Shortly afterwards similar thing happens, Ref instructs player to go back, player faffs about before taking throw-in exactly where he'd been told not to, Ref carries on regardless.

And that's before ignoring Gnanduilllet being rugby tackled in the box, Doyle being taken out, and the absurd 'foul' that led to Posh's first.

There were more, plenty more...


This could be based on 2 years of paranoia following Bunkum decisions but I do get the impression that the refs body language suggests they give decisions against us with exuberance and if giving decisions for us it is with reluctance.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 02:14 PM

View Posth again, on 26 December 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

So did I - until he booked Clucas for a serious foul - and awarded a throw-in. How can a foul that merits a booking not merit even a free-kick?
The new fashion - replacing diving - seems to be to collapse holding your face to suggest an elbow. So far it's cost us a sending-off and a booking, and it's high time the refs got on top of it.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 02:18 PM

The ball went out and the throw in was awarded to us. The incident happened whilst the ball was not in play so the game had to be restarted as it would have been before the incident
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Posted 27 December 2014 - 03:05 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 26 December 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

Quite simply because the ball was out for our throw in, Clucas was booked for wrestling their player to the ground whilst awaiting for the throw in to take place. Therefore if the ball wasn't in play whatever happened between the two players still results in action against them but doesnt alter the dead ball situation..keep up.. ;).
Btw I agree their ****** was play acting!

So if the ball is out of play and a forward gets chinned in the box the ref can't give a penalty?
I only saw half the game yesterday but I didn't rate the ref, showing an interesting mixture of poor and bizarre decisions.
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Posted 27 December 2014 - 03:07 PM

View Postfiredodger, on 27 December 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

So if the ball is out of play and a forward gets chinned in the box the ref can't give a penalty?
I only saw half the game yesterday but I didn't rate the ref, showing an interesting mixture of poor and bizarre decisions.

No, he would discipline the player but as the ball was out of play it as to return to play by the correct means. So I believe.
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