[LuSiVe]

We've won the last 6 games he's been suspended for.

Is his importance overstated?
Do we really need him or should we be selling? Discuss ....

[Bonnyman]

Everybody has a price but morsy is the midfield enforcer, he is our gattuso, he just needs to stop getting the red mist

[lindo-spireite]

The power morsy adds in midfield is incredible, we'll do well to find that anywhere in our price bracket

[LuSiVe]

And yet we're more likely to win games when he's not playing.

[Bonnyman]

LuSiVe, on 27 December 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

And yet we're more likely to win games when he's not playing.

It isnt even a stat its more a coincidence.

[Goku]

This is why stats perennially annoy me. They're not always "right" (let's not talk about league tables though, eh). Okay, so we may have a better win ratio without Morsy in the team (I haven't checked, nor can I be bothered to). Individually, who do you think we have who is better than him? You might say Jimmy Ryan, which is okay, but in the formation we tend to play we need two good CMs so obviously Ryan and Morsy are the choices. So, who would you replace Morsy with from our current team? Sam Hird? Ritchie Humhpreys? Ollie Banks? Are you blaming Morsy for us not winning games? If so then why specifically is it his fault, does he lack positional discipline, is he giving the ball away? It's alright quoting statistics but you've got to add some logic and reasoning into the mix or they become meaningless.

[Westbars Spireite]

LuSiVe, on 27 December 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

We've won the last 6 games he's been suspended for.

Is his importance overstated?
Do we really need him or should we be selling? Discuss ....

It's an interesting statistic. But I wouldn't read owt into it.

[Westbars Spireite]

Double post due to 'resource limit' being reached.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 27 December 2014 - 12:26 PM

[marlons curtains]

I felt deflated before kick off when it was confirmed that Ryan would be joining Morsy on the sidelines, and wasn't feeling optimistic about a Hird/Humphreys combination.. we then go and produce a fluid attacking first half where probably created more chances than we have all season. Coincidence possibly.. more down to inspired performances from Armand, Darikwa and Boco, but it left me feeling confident in our options, considering how little game time the two CM's today have had.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

LuSiVe, on 27 December 2014 - 11:13 AM, said:

We've won the last 6 games he's been suspended for.

Is his importance overstated?
Do we really need him or should we be selling? Discuss ....

Deal already done, I'm hearing.

Also Ryan has turned down initial contract offer with folk at CFC believing he's got summat lined up elsewhere.

[Westbars Spireite]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 December 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Deal already done, I'm hearing.

Also Ryan has turned down initial contract offer with folk at CFC believing he's got summat lined up elsewhere.

Where to?

Add that to the 'done deal' that Bristol City have apparently done for Doyle too - £950k apparently. It was on Facebook apparently so it must be gospel!

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 27 December 2014 - 12:51 PM

[Bonnyman]

If we lost morsy and ryan the club would be imo a laughing stock.

[Westbars Spireite]

bonnyman, on 27 December 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

If we lost morsy and ryan the club would be imo a laughing stock.

I don't agree. If they want to leave what do we do? We won't be selling because we want them to leave, we'll be doing so because it makes sense. I don't see either of them as disruptive characters BUT I don't see Cook wanting players in and around the group who want to be elsewhere.

Let's say we sell both and pull in a million quid. If Cook gets £400k to buy a couple of replacements we may not be stronger but we needn't be massively weakened if he recruits well. I'm sure he'll be looking at some of the best younger players in the division below whoever they may be.

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 December 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

I don't agree. If they want to leave what do we do? We won't be selling because we want them to leave, we'll be doing so because it makes sense. I don't see either of them as disruptive characters BUT I don't see Cook wanting players in and around the group who want to be elsewhere.

Let's say we sell both and pull in a million quid. If Cook gets £400k to buy a couple of replacements we may not be stronger but we needn't be massively weakened if he recruits well. I'm sure he'll be looking at some of the best younger players in the division below whoever they may be.

It would be a shame if we couldn't keep our better players for more than 18 months though.

Would speak volumes for our ambition

[Rodney's Moustache]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 December 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Where to?

Add that to the 'done deal' that Bristol City have apparently done for Doyle too - £950k apparently. It was on Facebook apparently so it must be gospel!

£950k for Doyle would be criminal imho but this is Chesterfield FC who's track record in transfer dealings is not the best.1,2 million with add ons as a mimimum

This post has been edited by Rodney's Moustache: 27 December 2014 - 01:12 PM

[spireiterob]

azul, on 27 December 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

It would be a shame if we couldn't keep our better players for more than 18 months though.

Would speak volumes for our ambition

Only if they go for peanuts which they wont. At the end of the day not many clubs at L1 Level would be in a position to turn down 1mill odd for players that have a year left on their contract and extremely unlikely to sign another. As long as Cooky gets part of any transfer fee to spend which Im sure he will then thats all that matters and i'd trust him to put it to good use on past experience.

[Mr Mercury]

bonnyman, on 27 December 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

If we lost morsy and ryan the club would be imo a laughing stock.

I think it's quite clear that with the time it's taking for Ryan to put pen to paper I think it's quite obvious he's, shall we say, keeping his options open. Can't see how the club can be blamed for that!

Rodney, on 27 December 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

£950k for Doyle would be criminal imho but this is Chesterfield FC who's track record in transfer dealings is not the best.1,2 million with add ons as a mimimum

Yes agree we should be looking at over a million for Doyle, but where do we keep getting the idea were naive with transfer dealings! We've done a lot of good buisness over the last year few years.

[Tha Knows...]

bonnyman, on 27 December 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

If we lost morsy and ryan the club would be imo a laughing stock.

and Doyle! In other words rip the heart out of the team

[JonB]

We need more than one club to be interested in players to do a lot of bargaining. That said we seemed to do well getting what we wanted out of Leeds for Cooper. I assume folk still refer, wrongly, to our deal in selling Kevin Davies as us always underselling.

[calvin plummers socks]

I would think a £2m asking price for Doyle but as he has bought a house in the area and Cookie is the reason he joined us and the fact they clearly work well with each other -means he won't go anywhere (just my opinion)