[Rodney's Moustache]

brianclose, on 24 November 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Hes definitely gone up a level, but lets also have a bit of a reality check, he'd just gone on a league run of 5 without scoring, and hardly looking like he was going to score either.

The two goals he scored on Saturday were probably his best two goals for us and any watching scouts couldnt fail to be impressed (as were the Barnsley fans going by their message board).

I would have thought his market value at the moment is probably 800,000-£1m.

That's way below my estimate 1.2 to 1.5 with add on's to boot unless we are still in the game of giving our players away for nowt.Mind you we are massively in debt aren't we...........alledgedly

This post has been edited by Rodney's Moustache: 24 November 2014 - 05:00 PM

[JonB]

boot, on 24 November 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

He didn't make the same mistake twice though Dim. I was dead in line with both chances which were almost identical. He worked the first chance on his right and with more composure instead of blasting it he would have scored - never mind his left. I said straight away that he should have put it along the floor inside the far post. Next time he did exactly that - intelligent player.

Sounds like you were sat very close to where I was saying exactly the same things!

[Spireite-Karl]

dim view, on 24 November 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

He may have moved up a level, but he's not in the same class as Jack. As you can see from various highlights, defenders have learned to show him left on every occasion, 'cos he's weak on his left. Fair enough, the hapless defender still couldn't stop him on this occasion, but he should have. On the previous chance that Eoin blasted wide, Jack would have turned his man inside out and side footed the ball into the corner with his left. I think Eoin has only scored 1 with his left foot - a nice little dink.

Class/ Value, as Doyle is worth far more in terms of transfer value than Jack ever was whilst with us.

[sophocles]

dim view, on 24 November 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

He may have moved up a level, but he's not in the same class as Jack. As you can see from various highlights, defenders have learned to show him left on every occasion, 'cos he's weak on his left. Fair enough, the hapless defender still couldn't stop him on this occasion, but he should have. On the previous chance that Eoin blasted wide, Jack would have turned his man inside out and side footed the ball into the corner with his left. I think Eoin has only scored 1 with his left foot - a nice little dink.

I didn't intend to suggest he's in the same class as Jack - I don't think he ever will be. Jacks twists and turns were much sharper - he'd probably have had the defender dumped on his backside before slotting it in. However, Doyle could easily have snatched at the chance, as he actually did a bit earlier. The second time he stayed calm and made sure, which was one of Jacks hallmarks.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Rodney, on 24 November 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

That's way below my estimate 1.2 to 1.5 with add on's to boot unless we are still in the game of giving our players away for nowt.Mind you we are massively in debt aren't we...........alledgedly

Why allegedly?

[Tom Smith]

dim view, on 24 November 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

He may have moved up a level, but he's not in the same class as Jack. As you can see from various highlights, defenders have learned to show him left on every occasion, 'cos he's weak on his left. Fair enough, the hapless defender still couldn't stop him on this occasion, but he should have. On the previous chance that Eoin blasted wide, Jack would have turned his man inside out and side footed the ball into the corner with his left. I think Eoin has only scored 1 with his left foot - a nice little dink.

I can think of at least three goals he's scored on his left foot

[Bonnyman]

Tom Smith, on 25 November 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

I can think of at least three goals he's scored on his left foot

i dont think it matters if he is predominately right footed he scores from all areas of the pitch as long as he keeps doing that its fantastic , his conversion rate must be high as he does not get that many chances at the moment i reckon he is putting away 1 in every 2 clean chances which for a player doing it alone is incredible...we have ended up with far more than we ever expected with doyle.

[dim view]

bonnyman, on 25 November 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

i dont think it matters if he is predominately right footed he scores from all areas of the pitch as long as he keeps doing that its fantastic , his conversion rate must be high as he does not get that many chances at the moment i reckon he is putting away 1 in every 2 clean chances which for a player doing it alone is incredible...we have ended up with far more than we ever expected with doyle.

I agree. Watching Dwight Gayle agin Liverpool, I'm thinking 'if he can make it.....'

[Mr Mercury]

Rodney, on 24 November 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

That's way below my estimate 1.2 to 1.5 with add on's to boot unless we are still in the game of giving our players away for nowt.Mind you we are massively in debt aren't we...........alledgedly

Which players have we "given away" in recent years?
Ward £300,000?
Folan..similar,
Bowery £500,000..I think most of us would agree the last two mentioned we were laughing all the way to the bank..and lastly Cooper, popular opinion seems to be in the region of £750,000-£1,000,000 with add ons..a fair deal IMHO for a league one to Championship centre half fee.

[Rodney's Moustache]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 24 November 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Why allegedly?

Because I'm not naive enough to believe everything that comes out of the club as gospel truth it just doesn't add up.Debt to who anyway Dave Allen and the council he's hardly going to call it in is he. He's stuck with us till one day he gets his money back if that ever happens.

[brianclose]

Mr Mercury, on 25 November 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Which players have we "given away" in recent years?
Ward £300,000?
Folan..similar,
Bowery £500,000..I think most of us would agree the last two mentioned we were laughing all the way to the bank..and lastly Cooper, popular opinion seems to be in the region of £750,000-£1,000,000 with add ons..a fair deal IMHO for a league one to Championship centre half fee.

Ward a much better player than Doyle and sold for £300,000. Has since carved out a very good career in the Championship, still one of Derbys most influential players when fit.

[newbold ken]

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Ward a much better player than Doyle and sold for £300,000. Has since carved out a very good career in the Championship, still one of Derbys most influential players when fit.
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[Tha Knows...]

Who's to say Doyle can't play at higher level, his development this season has been sensational. Now he has the confidence not to snatch at chances he has become a top finisher. His record speaks for itself, was Ward ever this prolific?

[Bonnyman]

brianclose, on 25 November 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Ward a much better player than Doyle and sold for £300,000. Has since carved out a very good career in the Championship, still one of Derbys most influential players when fit.

hard to say goals mean pound notes and ward could not finish his dinner,he was also in the last few months of his contract.

[brianclose]

bonnyman, on 25 November 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

hard to say goals mean pound notes and ward could not finish his dinner,he was also in the last few months of his contract.

Bit harsh on Wardy. Had a 1 in 2 record for us and since at Derby his stats in terms of goals and assists for a midfielder are highly impressive.

[Bonnyman]

brianclose, on 25 November 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Bit harsh on Wardy. Had a 1 in 2 record for us and since at Derby his stats in terms of goals and assists for a midfielder are highly impressive.

He might have had a decent record but he had 3 times more chances per game than doyle gets ...wardy would fit nicely into our side though just behind doyle.

[cxspireite]

Phil V 72, on 24 November 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Having seen Doyle's two goals described as 'long balls' by various media outlets and large chunks of the opposition, were both "long balls"?

The first, a punt from Tommy was very direct and could probably fall into "long ball" category. As a defending team, you'd be disappointed to concede like this.

The second was a ball into space, which Eoin Doyle admitted that he and Raglan had been talking about, playing into space, in front of Doyle, for him to run on to.

Are these both "Long Balls" or is the second a "long pass" rather than a 'long ball'? Are they as good as a 25-pass move ending with a tap in? Does it matter, if it ends up in the back of the net?

One of the criticisms of Cook is that we don't mix the styles up enough. Is this proof that actually, we do have a different side to our play? To have a centre half with the ability to ping a 50-yard ball into the channel is an excellent way of getting Doyle facing goal, 1 on 1 with a defender and can actually be very effective.

Long pall or pass? It's quite easy, if you're the manager of the winning side then they're great long passes, if you're the losing manager then it's a hopeful punt upfield.

[h again]

djs, on 25 November 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

Hoofball! As I've said the passing game is what it all about!
When you've had 40yrs mostly watching relentless 'long passes' down the channels to our big centre forward at the time ie, Ernie, Phil walker, craig Davis ect, watching it trickle out of play, it's trully boring The last 2yrs at the proact have been sublime! No to the snow covered ball!
Don't get me wrong a regular deliverer who puts it on the spot time and again is great but there are very few David Beckhams around ATM!!

Call me an old cynic, but every Manager we've ever had has claimed to want to play passing football on the ground, and none of them have got anywhere near it, though PC has got closer than most. Did you ever hear a Managerial interview which said we were going to keep lumping it up to that big bloke in the no. 9 shirt?
The fact is that it's extremely difficult to work the ball forward in a series of short passes, and it gets progressively more difficult the further up the field the ball goes. Much easier to avoid the problems associated with losing the ball in midfield, and cut out the middle men.
We all want what you want, but even in the Premiership they struggle with the idea. Fair play to Cookie then for setting his teams up to play the right way, but sometimes when teams are set up to counter the stuff on the ground you have to go long just to get within smelling distance of the opposition goal.
So welcome back Armand, but I hope you don't become the excuse for long ball stuff all the time.

[spyright]

dim view, on 24 November 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

He may have moved up a level, but he's not in the same class as Jack. As you can see from various highlights, defenders have learned to show him left on every occasion, 'cos he's weak on his left. Fair enough, the hapless defender still couldn't stop him on this occasion, but he should have. On the previous chance that Eoin blasted wide, Jack would have turned his man inside out and side footed the ball into the corner with his left. I think Eoin has only scored 1 with his left foot - a nice little dink.

He's not doing too badly in the table of goals scored by league players though!